Super_horns Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April 2 minutes ago, kenny said: Has Gray done much yet? 2 assists and no goals isn't POTY material even if he has just turned 18. Not sure . Rowe started the season well but been injured for a bit . Guess James has done well for Birmingham but probably not high profile enough . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeg67 Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April (edited) 50 minutes ago, kenny said: Has Gray done much yet? 2 assists and no goals isn't POTY material even if he has just turned 18. He’s played DM and RB, not like they’re counting on him to score goals. Fact is, they went through a stretch until last week were they didn’t allow a goal from open play since the start of the year. During that stretch Gray played basically every minute at right back despite never having played there professionally, and did most of that as a 17 year-old. Edited 3 April by Deeg67 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April 6 minutes ago, Deeg67 said: He’s played DM and RB, not like they’re counting on him to score goals. Fact is, they went through a stretch until last week were they didn’t allow a goal from open play since the start of the year. During that stretch Gray played basically every minute at right back despite never having played there professionally, and did most of that as a 17 year-old. I've only seen him against us and he didn't stand out particularly, though its probably harsh as score aside we took them apart in the away fixture. If Leeds are still in the Champ next year then no doubt he will be nominated again. I thought Jordan James did well against us and Jonny Rowes record is excellent. Fatawu is up there as one of the best in Europe for chances created. Gray doesn't get a sniff this season for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April On 02/04/2024 at 17:04, An Away Move said: This is the year that we see the play-offs for the abomination that they really are. The current top three clubs all deserve to go up on merit. It's a joke that the top 4 can't go up automatically tbh. It's also ridiculous that 3 teams have to go down when there's clearly only 1 team that's not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April 2 hours ago, kenny said: Hard to justify how Enzo and Fatawu don't make that shortlist. Enzo has a win % here of nearly 70% and has 60 games as a professional manager. Its an incredible record. But if you look at the bigger picture, with the resources we’ve used and the players we have compared to a team that have just come back up from league 1 and currently sit top of the league, McKenna is the standout choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April Have Leeds released their accounts on time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April Hopefully no nomination humbles one or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April 7 minutes ago, Bert said: But if you look at the bigger picture, with the resources we’ve used and the players we have compared to a team that have just come back up from league 1 and currently sit top of the league, McKenna is the standout choice. I'm not disagreeing, but Enzos first season as a rookie manager has been remarkable and deserves more recognition than Farke or Rosenior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April Deliberate snubs for Leicester, clearly. Having Leeds in there but not Leicester is a joke. McKenna is the best performing manager and it's not even close. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVFox Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April Fatawu likely omitted as he's on loan, and there's a tendency not to nominate them for these awards. Rosenior > Enzo is ridiculous. You could easily say with the squad he has, Rosenior is underachieving!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelmofox Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April 18 minutes ago, StanSP said: Have Leeds released their accounts on time? They will be fine this year. Probably the next accounts you want to keep your eye on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowlattsFox Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April Hull sitting in 10th place and having their manager nominated for managers if the year is a bit weird, not like they are a Rotherham type side or anything. As much as Enzo has ballsed it recently, 3 highest performing championship sides in history should be nominated. Although McKenna should definitely win, even if they finish 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkuseMe Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April 3 hours ago, Chelmofox said: KDH will win the player for sure, but doesnt deserve it. Will do wonders for his sale value though. I'll be very surprised if it doesn't go to Summerville, who is now cemented at the summit of Fotmob and Whoscored's 'player ratings' tables. KDH is 3rd and 5th respectively. Perhaps if we win the title and Leeds miss out altogether that would swing the award his way, but otherwise he may be a better bet for wooden spoon, given Szmodics' achievement is with a club near the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieTodger Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April Hopefully fires him up a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April 1 hour ago, Bryn said: Deliberate snubs for Leicester, clearly. Having Leeds in there but not Leicester is a joke. McKenna is the best performing manager and it's not even close. Agree must be a snub to not include Enzo. Don't have a problem should McKenna win. As for Rosenior smacks of desperate to nominate a manager who ticks certain boxes despite not in the promotion spots. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox_favourite Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April 1 hour ago, Bert said: But if you look at the bigger picture, with the resources we’ve used and the players we have compared to a team that have just come back up from league 1 and currently sit top of the league, McKenna is the standout choice. Can't argue at McKenna. The job he's done is astonishing, even though they are the luckiest team on the planet by a country mile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelmofox Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April 7 minutes ago, fox_favourite said: Can't argue at McKenna. The job he's done is astonishing, even though they are the luckiest team on the planet by a country mile. We should replace the monks with McKenna. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Shire Fox Posted 3 April Share Posted 3 April Adam Armstrong had to be nominated surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pub breath Posted 4 April Share Posted 4 April (edited) 16 hours ago, TheGoldenGod said: Especially when you consider Farke is on there who has a squad very similar in calibre to ours and wouldn't say he's done a much better job or Rosenior with Hull who also has a VERY good squad. I'd be going more for Cifuentes at QPR or Corbs at WBA over those two. But suppose it's futile because McKenna deserves to win it if they go up! Farke had a whole month less than Maresca to prepare his team. He also lost near enough an entire first 11 of players (no player started the Hull match who started the last match of last season) and had to deal with a lot of those leaving in August, many of their replacements landing after the season started. I think every reasonable person can see that the results in Leeds first 5/6 games were in no way a reflection of Farke's real impact as the team was in transition and he'd had a month to work with the players in the middle of a circus. Since those first few games, Farke's Leeds have comfortably out performed everyone and over a long stretch now. It does seem a tad unfair on Maresca mind but assume the recent slide and/or financial side have influenced the thinking here enormously. Edited 4 April by Pub breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayfox26 Posted 4 April Share Posted 4 April 11 hours ago, fox_favourite said: Can't argue at McKenna. The job he's done is astonishing, even though they are the luckiest team on the planet by a country mile. You're not allowed to say Ipswich are lucky on here or you get called bitter. But you're right, they have had more luck this season than most teams would get in 5 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny Posted 4 April Share Posted 4 April 23 minutes ago, Pub breath said: Farke had a whole month less than Maresca to prepare his team. He also lost near enough an entire first 11 of players (no player started the Hull match who started the last match of last season) and had to deal with a lot of those leaving in August, many of their replacements landing after the season started. I think every reasonable person can see that the results in Leeds first 5/6 games were in no way a reflection of Farke's real impact as the team was in transition and he'd had a month to work with the players in the middle of a circus. Since those first few games, Farke's Leeds have comfortably out performed everyone and over a long stretch now. It does seem a tad unfair on Maresca mind but assume the recent slide and/or financial side have influenced the thinking here enormously. Leicester lost 17 players in total and had to replace quickly. It's worth remembering that Farke has 300 more games experience and 2 promotions from this league already. With all the financial stuff off the field, this makes Enzos job even more difficult and promotion from here would be remarkable. Safe to say there is an agenda at play here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicesterpool Posted 4 April Share Posted 4 April There was interesting story that Kieran McKenna was being considered for Liverpool job, had two good seasons back to back. Would the Liverpool job be a step to soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pub breath Posted 4 April Share Posted 4 April 5 minutes ago, kenny said: Leicester lost 17 players in total and had to replace quickly. It's worth remembering that Farke has 300 more games experience and 2 promotions from this league already. With all the financial stuff off the field, this makes Enzos job even more difficult and promotion from here would be remarkable. Safe to say there is an agenda at play here. These awards aren't about experience. They're about what the team looked like when the manager came in and the position they got to. You can't sensibly argue that Farke's starting point in August was as good as Maresca's. Maresca had a whole month more to prepare and most (appreciate not all) of your key business had been done already. Most of ours had not been done at all. Maybe there is an agenda. I have no idea. That still doesn't alter the fact that from the point of all these squads being put together and the playing field being more equal, Farke has been the standout manager. I don't think that's likely to be seen by many as a particularly controversial opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 4 April Share Posted 4 April 39 minutes ago, Pub breath said: Farke had a whole month less than Maresca to prepare his team. He also lost near enough an entire first 11 of players (no player started the Hull match who started the last match of last season) and had to deal with a lot of those leaving in August, many of their replacements landing after the season started. I think every reasonable person can see that the results in Leeds first 5/6 games were in no way a reflection of Farke's real impact as the team was in transition and he'd had a month to work with the players in the middle of a circus. Since those first few games, Farke's Leeds have comfortably out performed everyone and over a long stretch now. It does seem a tad unfair on Maresca mind but assume the recent slide and/or financial side have influenced the thinking here enormously. Our results without Ndidi don't count and neither do those during AFCON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 4 April Share Posted 4 April (edited) 3 minutes ago, Pub breath said: These awards aren't about experience. They're about what the team looked like when the manager came in and the position they got to. You can't sensibly argue that Farke's starting point in August was as good as Maresca's. Maresca had a whole month more to prepare and most (appreciate not all) of your key business had been done already. Most of ours had not been done at all. Maybe there is an agenda. I have no idea. That still doesn't alter the fact that from the point of all these squads being put together and the playing field being more equal, Farke has been the standout manager. I don't think that's likely to be seen by many as a particularly controversial opinion. You genuinely believe Farke has stood out more than McKenna? You also allude to after August all the time but between August and Christmas he wouldn't even cross my mind as being a standout in the division. Edited 4 April by Tommy Fresh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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