ARM1968 Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said: You cannot carry that much risk, it would bre proliferating the same mistakes. Same with Kel, same with anyone who won`t sign an extension. They have to go as we cannot be so moronic to be carrying such financial risk - yes he may make the difference but recent history dictates otherwise, its just too uncertain How do you know he won’t? Is that public knowledge? It might be. If it is I’ve missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 49 minutes ago, Scotch said: ...But you can see why he could likely be punted? If he doesn't fit the system then we have no use for him. Hasn’t he been used in a number of games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 Just now, ARM1968 said: How do you know he won’t? Is that public knowledge? It might be. If it is I’ve missed it. That's why I said its too uncertain. You cannot carry that uncertainty as a club that has such a shocking recent history of being so negligent with its finances I don`t know, but its likely he would not sign a new contract as he is in the Championship now and I am sure he imagines he is a level beyond that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said: That's why I said its too uncertain. You cannot carry that uncertainty as a club that has such a shocking recent history of being so negligent with its finances I don`t know, but its likely he would not sign a new contract as he is in the Championship now and I am sure he imagines he is a level beyond that To be fair I agree with you up to a point, but we cannot replace him for the money being touted. Nowhere near. So isn’t it still a risk to take that money and weaken the team overall? You take risks in business. It’s just balancing that risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 13 minutes ago, ARM1968 said: To be fair I agree with you up to a point, but we cannot replace him for the money being touted. Nowhere near. So isn’t it still a risk to take that money and weaken the team overall? You take risks in business. It’s just balancing that risk. If he gets anywhere near his best, then maybe but even then I am not convinced we weaken this Enzo team as I do not feel Wilf is a natural fit for what Enzo wants. (Could be wrong) Its an untenable situation I agree, but we have to start acting in this manner, where we do not allow contracts to run down, as it played its part in our recent mismanagement (Along with poor management obviously) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinterdream Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 I think Hamza would be a better defensive midfielder than Ndidi, I don't think we need to replace him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 25 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: That's why I said its too uncertain. You cannot carry that uncertainty as a club that has such a shocking recent history of being so negligent with its finances I don`t know, but its likely he would not sign a new contract as he is in the Championship now and I am sure he imagines he is a level beyond that Only if he has no sense of self-awareness, fairly sure that he knows that he has dropped off a cliff recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 Just now, splinterdream said: I think Hamza would be a better defensive midfielder than Ndidi, I don't think we need to replace him Neither of them can pass, how many times do we have to keep going over this? Unless you think they can of course. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 Just now, hackneyfox said: Only if he has no sense of self-awareness, fairly sure that he knows that he has dropped off a cliff recently. Quite., I bloody well hope he intends to improve or he may as well leave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 44 minutes ago, ARM1968 said: Hasn’t he been used in a number of games? Yes. Because there is litteraly no one else for the #8 role he's been playing but he's not an #8 and even peak Ndidi wouldn't be suited there. I'm not really understanding your argument here. Because he was great at DM 3/4 seasons ago, we shouldn't sell him and use him in a system that doesn't suit him, playing a role that doesn't benefit him or us until his contract runs out and we lose him for nothing next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 2 hours ago, Scotch said: Yes. Because there is litteraly no one else for the #8 role he's been playing but he's not an #8 and even peak Ndidi wouldn't be suited there. I'm not really understanding your argument here. Because he was great at DM 3/4 seasons ago, we shouldn't sell him and use him in a system that doesn't suit him, playing a role that doesn't benefit him or us until his contract runs out and we lose him for nothing next year? I’ll leave the judgement to our manager I think. None of us really know what he has in mind or if Ndidi fits. Seems quite a few people are dead against the lad. Yes, he has dropped off a cliff, but there are reasons for that which appear to be behind him. If he doesn’t want to sign a new contract then fair enough, I imagine we might sell. If he does sign one then I would rather keep him. I’d rather not lose him for peanuts. Seems to be quite an emotive one this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 8 minutes ago, ARM1968 said: I’ll leave the judgement to our manager I think. None of us really know what he has in mind or if Ndidi fits. Seems quite a few people are dead against the lad. Yes, he has dropped off a cliff, but there are reasons for that which appear to be behind him. If he doesn’t want to sign a new contract then fair enough, I imagine we might sell. If he does sign one then I would rather keep him. I’d rather not lose him for peanuts. Seems to be quite an emotive one this. I mean, a defensive midfielder goes 5 (maybe 6, I didn't watch the Newcastle game) without making a single tackle, you can't really blame folk for writing him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 6 minutes ago, Scotch said: I mean, a defensive midfielder goes 5 (maybe 6, I didn't watch the Newcastle game) without making a single tackle, you can't really blame folk for writing him off. Like I said, there were mitigating circumstances. Just don’t think it’s at all wise to write him off. My opinion. There are others. Good job really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_lcfc Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 16 minutes ago, ARM1968 said: I’ll leave the judgement to our manager I think. None of us really know what he has in mind or if Ndidi fits. Seems quite a few people are dead against the lad. Yes, he has dropped off a cliff, but there are reasons for that which appear to be behind him. If he doesn’t want to sign a new contract then fair enough, I imagine we might sell. If he does sign one then I would rather keep him. I’d rather not lose him for peanuts. Seems to be quite an emotive one this. What are those out of interest? I watched him closely last year and he put in some of the worst individual performances I’ve ever seen for us, genuinely. Not even Danny Ward was as bad as Wilf was at times last season! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinterdream Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 3 hours ago, hackneyfox said: Neither of them can pass, how many times do we have to keep going over this? Unless you think they can of course. No, but if we need a player to hassle and break down opposition play, I’d rather it be hamza than Ndidi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ARM1968 Posted 3 August 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 3 August 2023 21 minutes ago, James_lcfc said: What are those out of interest? I watched him closely last year and he put in some of the worst individual performances I’ve ever seen for us, genuinely. Not even Danny Ward was as bad as Wilf was at times last season! Health issues. Multiple bouts of Covid and suspected long Covid. Family issue which I’m not discussing here but very tough to deal with. On top of that, Brendan. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_lcfc Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 5 minutes ago, ARM1968 said: Health issues. Multiple bouts of Covid and suspected long Covid. Family issue which I’m not discussing here but very tough to deal with. On top of that, Brendan. Fair enough, wasn’t aware of any of that. Aside from Brendan, obviously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 In Enzo. We trust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphericalfox Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 The question is can we get a Championship standard out of Wilf? I think we can with a bit of managerial motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox_favourite Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 14 minutes ago, Nick said: In Enzo. We trust. Well, we don't have much of an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 19 minutes ago, fox_favourite said: Well, we don't have much of an option. My point exactly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 54 minutes ago, splinterdream said: No, but if we need a player to hassle and break down opposition play, I’d rather it be hamza than Ndidi Only to then give it away again? Ndidi was the master destroyer, I'd sooner give him a chance first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJams Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 It's almost like some people have never seen Hamza play. At least Wilf knows where he's supposed to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyfox Posted 3 August 2023 Share Posted 3 August 2023 5 hours ago, ARM1968 said: Health issues. Multiple bouts of Covid and suspected long Covid. Family issue which I’m not discussing here but very tough to deal with. On top of that, Brendan. As someone who suffers from Long COVID, it’s horrible. Body inflammation for anything past a certain level- rehab theory is to build up slowly- but easily set back and chronic pain over a long time - horrid but not visible when you’re infront of people for an event - if he’s got this, I totally understand the drop in speed and stamina 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Claw II Posted 4 August 2023 Share Posted 4 August 2023 14 hours ago, ARM1968 said: Health issues. Multiple bouts of Covid and suspected long Covid. Family issue which I’m not discussing here but very tough to deal with. On top of that, Brendan. I’d heard bits of that - the family part also. It’s one of the reasons why I think we may be the beast club for him. With all of that does he want the pressure of a move to a ‘big club’ Get him back to 80%-90% of what he was and he’s the best defensive midfielder in the championship. if he does stay we need to extend his contract 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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