ClaphamFox Posted 11 July 2023 Share Posted 11 July 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: Our recent cup performances against Championship sides showed very little gulf in class at all. We are very unlikely to " destroy" anybody. We should be prepared for a hard battle and any attempt to play over pretty football will likely fail. Not sure what you mean by 'over pretty football', but teams that play attractive, passing football (Norwich, Fulham, Bournemouth, Burnley) have all been promoted from the Championship in recent years. Edited 11 July 2023 by ClaphamFox 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 11 July 2023 Share Posted 11 July 2023 He needs to sign a new contract or go. I would prefer to keep him, he’d be a beast in this league, but to lose him for nothing cannot be allowed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVFox Posted 11 July 2023 Share Posted 11 July 2023 1 minute ago, ARM1968 said: He needs to sign a new contract or go. I would prefer to keep him, he’d be a beast in this league, but to lose him for nothing cannot be allowed. Even if we lose him for nothing after he scores the goals to get us promoted? If his heads in it and we don't get a half decent offer I'd be really tempted to keep. He'd score 20+ with no issue in my mind. Doesn't look the disruptive type for the squad either. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scanchez Posted 11 July 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 11 July 2023 If he goes, I GO. Ball's in your court, Top. Not such an easy decision now, is it? 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ClaphamFox Posted 11 July 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 11 July 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Scanchez said: If he goes, I GO. Ball's in your court, Top. Not such an easy decision now, is it? A short while ago there was the sound of thundering footsteps down a corridor at Seagrave, followed by somebody's voice shouting, "Top! Top! You're gonna wanna to see this..." Edited 11 July 2023 by ClaphamFox 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Sionnach Posted 11 July 2023 Share Posted 11 July 2023 38 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: Not sure what you mean by 'over pretty football', but teams that play attractive, passing football (Norwich, Fulham, Bournemouth, Burnley) have all been promoted from the Championship in recent years. There is incisive passing and pointless passing. We won the title with the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 11 July 2023 Share Posted 11 July 2023 3 hours ago, indierich06 said: I ****ing love Iheanacho, but as he's in the last year of his contract and is likely on big wages, we need to shift him if we can and mitigate our losses with a fee. Would hope we can do better than 8m though, you'd think 12m-15m would be fairer. You'd hope... but if nobody is willing to bid more than that, then you are a bit stuck aren't you. People seem to think (not you) that Rudkin can just make people bid more money! We're in a difficult spot, with him being in his last year. Play too much hard ball and you are stuck with an un motivated player for a year and you get nothing for him next summer. Where as £8m could buy you another asset who is motivated and could potentially increase in value. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Babylon Posted 11 July 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 11 July 2023 47 minutes ago, LVFox said: Even if we lose him for nothing after he scores the goals to get us promoted? If his heads in it and we don't get a half decent offer I'd be really tempted to keep. He'd score 20+ with no issue in my mind. Doesn't look the disruptive type for the squad either. Can you guarantee that, or that he won't be totally unmotivated? Look at what happened last season with a squad full of players knowing they were on their way out of the club. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ClaphamFox Posted 11 July 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 11 July 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: There is incisive passing and pointless passing. We won the title with the former. We won the league with an average of 42.4% possession - ie. we were clearly not a possession-based side that season. That was something of an outlier in that the PL is typically won by teams that dominate possession. The Championship is no different. In recent years the Championship has always been won by teams that dominated possession - 64% for Burnley last season, 60.3% for Fulham in 2021/22, 60.2% for Norwich in 2020/21, 63.7% for Leeds in 2019/20, 57.5% for Norwich in 2018/19, etc. In other words, there is a very high correlation between ball retention and success in the Championship. So it's probably a good sign that Maresca clearly wants to play possession-based football - the evidence shows that keeping the ball is our best route out of the division. Edited 11 July 2023 by ClaphamFox 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 11 July 2023 Share Posted 11 July 2023 All depends on Maresca, if Iheanacho doesn't make his first XI and there is every chance of that then selling your 26yo Championship squad player in the last year of his contract is good business. I think a lot of people underestimate the Championship thinking certain players will look like men against boys. I'm happy to go with what the manager decides as far as Iheanacho goes and it looks like Forest and £8m have been plucked out of someone's arse rather than a genuine link. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxmeister Posted 11 July 2023 Share Posted 11 July 2023 15 minutes ago, Babylon said: Can you guarantee that, or that he won't be totally unmotivated? Look at what happened last season with a squad full of players knowing they were on their way out of the club. Hopefully any player who stays will see how YT, linked with Arsenal and Barcelona last sumner, has moved sideways from where he was at the beginning of his saga. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richmondfox Posted 11 July 2023 Share Posted 11 July 2023 31 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: There is incisive passing and pointless passing. We won the title with the former. And got relegated with that later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumbleFox Posted 11 July 2023 Share Posted 11 July 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Babylon said: Can you guarantee that, or that he won't be totally unmotivated? Look at what happened last season with a squad full of players knowing they were on their way out of the club. I agree with you in principle but I’ve seen nothing from Iheanacho over the last few years that would suggest he’d down tools. Edited 11 July 2023 by RumbleFox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Babylon Posted 11 July 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 11 July 2023 1 hour ago, RumbleFox said: I agree with you in principle but I’ve seen nothing from Iheanacho over the last few years that would suggest he’d down tools. It's not really about downing tools, it's about not being at your maximum. I don't think Tielemen's downed tools, or Maddison or anyone else. But there is absolutely no way they were playing to their maximum, it doesn't even have to be intentional, it's a natural instinct to knowing your time is up. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmayne7 Posted 11 July 2023 Share Posted 11 July 2023 3 minutes ago, Babylon said: It's not really about downing tools, it's about not being at your maximum. I don't think Tielemen's downed tools, or Maddison or anyone else. But there is absolutely no way they were playing to their maximum, it doesn't even have to be intentional, it's a natural instinct to knowing your time is up. That's spot on but Iheanacho's situation is a bit different. Those guys knew they were getting a decent move at the end of the season. Kel might think a good season in the championship either means he gets a better deal elsewhere or gets him a new deal with us. Look at the teams he's linked with and it's hardly the most inspiring for him. He's got something to prove (which is ridiculous given his output when he actually plays) I think it will largely depend on how Maresca wants to use him. Should be building the team around him but if he doesn't get assurances that he's a key player, you can't expect him to perform at 100% 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumbleFox Posted 11 July 2023 Share Posted 11 July 2023 36 minutes ago, Babylon said: It's not really about downing tools, it's about not being at your maximum. I don't think Tielemen's downed tools, or Maddison or anyone else. But there is absolutely no way they were playing to their maximum, it doesn't even have to be intentional, it's a natural instinct to knowing your time is up. Yeah I agree. And ideally I’d rather him sign. And I can understand those saying if he doesn’t sign we should cash in. But for me, even a 95% Nacho would be worth keeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indierich06 Posted 11 July 2023 Share Posted 11 July 2023 2 hours ago, Babylon said: You'd hope... but if nobody is willing to bid more than that, then you are a bit stuck aren't you. People seem to think (not you) that Rudkin can just make people bid more money! We're in a difficult spot, with him being in his last year. Play too much hard ball and you are stuck with an un motivated player for a year and you get nothing for him next summer. Where as £8m could buy you another asset who is motivated and could potentially increase in value. Agreed, it's a tricky one. It's early days still though, let's see what happens. Tbh, £8m would be much more palatable if it wasn't coming from Forest 😷 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 11 July 2023 Share Posted 11 July 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Babylon said: Can you guarantee that, or that he won't be totally unmotivated? Look at what happened last season with a squad full of players knowing they were on their way out of the club. they was playing under a manager who also wanted out ? I doubt he would be staying if he wasn't going to be motivated this manager won't allow that imo. Edited 11 July 2023 by whoareyaaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SystonFox Posted 11 July 2023 Share Posted 11 July 2023 On 10/07/2023 at 20:54, jerry said: He will be gone , reason he wasn't a permanent fixture in the side so just get over it . Ah Righto if you say so 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Fannieri Posted 15 July 2023 Share Posted 15 July 2023 If Mitrovic does leave for Saudi, I could see Fulham come in for Kels 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonfox1884 Posted 15 July 2023 Share Posted 15 July 2023 I reckon that if he plays most weeks, and we go up, he’ll sign a new deal with us. It’d be a keep for me unless our finances necessitate the £10m or whatever we’d get for him this summer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTY_FOX Posted 15 July 2023 Share Posted 15 July 2023 Too good for the clubs he's linked with. Should stay here until one worthy of him wants him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Cockney Fox Posted 15 July 2023 Share Posted 15 July 2023 Can he not be out mitrovic and hang on for a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 15 July 2023 Share Posted 15 July 2023 36 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said: Can he not be out mitrovic and hang on for a year? He only has a year left, so not really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJams Posted 15 July 2023 Share Posted 15 July 2023 Don't be surprised if he ends up a Mitro replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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