Soumare to Napoli?

[st albans fox]

Anyway

is there any more on a deal ??

 

the transfer forum has become anything but a transfer forum over this window for most threads 

[Foxes96]

Maresca has just said there aren’t any departures close, but didn’t list Bouba as one of the CM’s. Surely on his way out before the end of the window…

 

 

 

“Kiernan, Dennis, Wilfred, you need to arrive in the box. Cesare you don’t need to tell him. We have four now and we can choose.”

[MPH]

Just now, st albans fox said:

Anyway

is there any more on a deal ??

 

the transfer forum has become anything but a transfer forum over this window for most threads 

 

I like making my own popcorn. And if I’m feeling adventurous, I’ll add some maple syrup  to the butter, sugar and salt. If you don’t burn it, it can add a nice taste to the sweetness.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

 

I like making my own popcorn. And if I’m feeling adventurous, I’ll add some maple syrup  to the butter, sugar and salt. If you don’t burn it, it can add a nice taste to the sweetness.

That’s reasonable 

 

[Rigga]

16 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

Really? If your young, in a new country and new culture,  fish out of water, homesick,  problems back at home and your new coach doesn't even know or appreciate your strengths?

 

How much hunger, fire and passion could you muster up? What do you do for a living?, how old are you now? Could you have coped at Premiership standard at his age? Think about it and be honest. 

The guy is earning £50k + a week..

conning a living

 

As said, all the above comes from within..which he is nothing of..

been over here 2 years and still the same lack of all the above..

honestly don’t know how people can defend his performances..

does everything you mention mean he can’t run ? Can’t attack balls ? Can’t defend ?

 

I suffer with anxiety and stress through work etc… its never stopped me from still going to work though!

 

rather than give reasons for him being shite for 2 years , tell me what positives  he would bring to us  ?

[JimJams]

38 minutes ago, Rigga said:

I suffer with anxiety and stress through work etc… its never stopped me from still going to work though!

Did it alter your performance?

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Take a loss and move on Leicester - get home gone 

[Rigga]

46 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Did it alter your performance?

Honest answer No

[Mark_w]

4 hours ago, Foxes96 said:

Maresca has just said there aren’t any departures close, but didn’t list Bouba as one of the CM’s. Surely on his way out before the end of the window…

 

 

 

“Kiernan, Dennis, Wilfred, you need to arrive in the box. Cesare you don’t need to tell him. We have four now and we can choose.”

I wonder where Winks is going.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Mark_w said:

I wonder where Winks is going.

Well he's talking there about the attacking centre midfielders and when asked about alternatives to Winks in defensive midfield he named Ndidi and Choudhury. It is pretty clear that Soumare is not in his plans in either position.

[WarehamFox]

1 hour ago, Rigga said:

The guy is earning £50k + a week..

conning a living

 

As said, all the above comes from within..which he is nothing of..

been over here 2 years and still the same lack of all the above..

honestly don’t know how people can defend his performances..

does everything you mention mean he can’t run ? Can’t attack balls ? Can’t defend ?

 

I suffer with anxiety and stress through work etc… its never stopped me from still going to work though!

 

rather than give reasons for him being shite for 2 years , tell me what positives  he would bring to us  ?

£50k a week, that's two years salary for some of us. And some at the club are earning 3 times that much! That's 6 years of my salary in a week. So I have to work 6 years to earn the same that they earn in a week?  And sorry some of the City player's don't work as hard as us guy's.

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[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, Rigga said:

The guy is earning £50k + a week..

conning a living

 

As said, all the above comes from within..which he is nothing of..

been over here 2 years and still the same lack of all the above..

honestly don’t know how people can defend his performances..

does everything you mention mean he can’t run ? Can’t attack balls ? Can’t defend ?

 

I suffer with anxiety and stress through work etc… its never stopped me from still going to work though!

 

rather than give reasons for him being shite for 2 years , tell me what positives  he would bring to us  ?

I have answered this in more detail if you scroll back and it explains in more detail. 

[fuchsntf]

5 hours ago, Detroit Blues said:

I think that's kind of nuance that most people on here complaining about our players lack. Plenty of players get to Leicester and don't perform for various reasons. That doesn't mean they're "bad players." Vestergaard is a Danish international that was a key part of the team that made it to the Euro 2020 semifinal. Patson Daka lead the Austrian Bundesliga in goals in 2020-21. Boubakary Soumare was a key player on the Lille team that won Ligue 1. 

 

Perhaps none of them fit into Rodgers or Maresca's systems, but that is more Leicester's fault for bringing them here and massively overpaying them than theirs. We panic bought Vestergaard even though he's slower than molasses and has the turning radius of a cruise liner. Other teams have figured out how to make him work, and maybe Maresca will too, but Leicester fans act like he got here and purposely tried to be a woeful player. If anything his only fault is being unwilling to transfer out and take a massive paycut. Any of us willing to do the same job for significantly less money just to please our employer? 

 

Daka was brought in to be Jamie Vardy 2.0. Well, unfortunately Jamie Vardy 1.0 doesn't exactly work in the current system either. We can't force a square peg in a round hole and blame the peg for being square. Soumare has shown flashes, but like Tielemans I get the feeling he is not the type of player that will fare well in England. 

 

For me the blame is on Rudkin and the front office, not the players themselves. 

 

 

 

 

partly agree,but not with the Pegs issues, One plays to the strikers movements,not the otherway around,or then just holding the ball,when it’s on..6 seasons  xxxx%

of the time..8% Succulent passes,15% decent passes, 25% workable, the rest ,ifs,could ofs,should ofs.maybes.

The other question is….and not on the players,but had the manager and coaches tried to fit them in.. I mean for one minute let’s forget systems…

# for me ,you buy select a striker,and you play to him..

     Vardy,Nacho,Daka,Barnes were for different reasons,badly

      even abusivily mis-used…Puel & Rodgers ( coaching fraternity)

We seen last season so often,how many times they moved Oneway,the ball went the other,,

 

Sorry so regular so often..poor,poor coaching, what did they do FFs in midweek…

Why in Rodgers successfull seasons did. they change down from it..

Even at times with a chronic injury list,your systems should run down & through your academies.

For me ,Daka was never given a fair crack..Dont expect your strikers to fall in line wholy with the midfield.but we insisintly,consistently held the ball back when the space was there. He was brought in to do a specific job,& then create his own ethos ,& not think like a midfielder.

4 players consistently moved quick ball. Ricardo,Soyuncu,Thomas at the beginning.. Castagna. but they hardly played..except Castagna..Unlike some I thought he played far better than some will have..Then earlier Chilwell .

This doesn’t mean they didn’t check and didn’t move it along the line.

We fans became frustrated while it was too often and without purpose..

That leaves your front men like Daka searching for space or ,chasing back in areas they shouldn’t be..

More a British mode of a football virus..

 

Soumare,seemed confused playing not PL football,but this incorrect Rodgersball ,without flexability of a organised Plan B or C..For a quick moving Box to box player,

must of stumped him,despite the language barrier.Player can often in their first few months or season get around that

Rodgers complicated things with no let out clause.

It took me also time,to realise not his various clubs history,after xxx years…

but Rodgers lack of being able to sway with the Wind.
He then later in his tenure set up too often expecting to fail..

Enzo‘s approach is more confidence building,but without too many words,players are embracing the confidence booster to holding to the system with some twist on get out movements…Rodgers triangle at first we’re initially played quickly,then month after month slowed down,that sitting bull got to hear about it..!!

I mean Starsky even understands  it, Faes is enjoying it,and welcomes the movement,

and shows he CAN defend in & around his space.. 

 

 

 

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, Rigga said:

The guy is earning £50k + a week..

conning a living

 

As said, all the above comes from within..which he is nothing of..

been over here 2 years and still the same lack of all the above..

honestly don’t know how people can defend his performances..

does everything you mention mean he can’t run ? Can’t attack balls ? Can’t defend ?

 

I suffer with anxiety and stress through work etc… its never stopped me from still going to work though!

 

rather than give reasons for him being shite for 2 years , tell me what positives  he would bring to us  ?

This is what I earlier wrote:

 

The vast change in all that towards the end of last season when played in his correct position for more than a cameo time period. Even the radio pundits commented on it. If you researched his strengths at his last club before he came here you'll see why he was always going to be up against it.

 

Although I've put this on before, if you have time to read this article and then objectively think about how Rodgers used him, I personally think there's a reason why he didn't perform well on his odd appearances. He's not the only player in fairness who was a round peg dumped into a square hole.

 

https://breakingthelines.com/player-analysis/player-analysis-boubakary-soumare/

[Rigga]

1 hour ago, JimJams said:

Did it alter your performance?

Honest answer No

[Rigga]

2 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

This is what I earlier wrote:

 

The vast change in all that towards the end of last season when played in his correct position for more than a cameo time period. Even the radio pundits commented on it. If you researched his strengths at his last club before he came here you'll see why he was always going to be up against it.

 

Although I've put this on before, if you have time to read this article and then objectively think about how Rodgers used him, I personally think there's a reason why he didn't perform well on his odd appearances. He's not the only player in fairness who was a round peg dumped into a square hole.

 

https://breakingthelines.com/player-analysis/player-analysis-boubakary-soumare/

Good read that it was.. it gave us all the info we needed not to sign him..

as regards Rodgers playing him out of position. It still doesn’t excuse the lazy attitude and body language that Soumare started his tenure with us and still had at the end of last season..

he would only run when someone had already gone past him… that is not the midfielder I want (and plenty that it seems on here want ) 

[smudgerfox]

I would like to hear from those saying Soumare was played out of position - what is his position? 
He s not strong enough and doesn’t read the game well enough to be a 6. He lacks the engine to be an 8 and is too clumsy to be a 10. So what midfield position is the one that suits him? 

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, Rigga said:

Good read that it was.. it gave us all the info we needed not to sign him..

as regards Rodgers playing him out of position. It still doesn’t excuse the lazy attitude and body language that Soumare started his tenure with us and still had at the end of last season..

he would only run when someone had already gone past him… that is not the midfielder I want (and plenty that it seems on here want ) 

If you look at most if not all of the players signed under Rodgers you do have to wonder. 1. Vestergaard-not bad at what he does and everyone bar Rodgers who wanted him seemed to know that, so why expect him to play in a high line?

2. Under-Rodgers hardly gave him a sniff and persisted with Perez on the wing, oh there's number 3!

4. Praet-?

5. Iheanacho-must have been gutted when he had to play him and he kept scoring 🤣.

6. Daka-has he ever been successful previously as a back to goal lone striker? Nope, not his game. Even Vardy can't score if he doesn't get the ball in the right areas commensurate with his type of skill sets.

 

How many of these might have served us better if played regularly to their strengths by a different manager 🤔?

 

With the exception of Fofana, how much of the 250m+ spent on players during Rodgers reign has led to regular first teamers that have performed positively? 

 

Soumare is merely one of a number that perhaps are considerably better than what we've seen of them here. 

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, smudgerfox said:

I would like to hear from those saying Soumare was played out of position - what is his position? 
He s not strong enough and doesn’t read the game well enough to be a 6. He lacks the engine to be an 8 and is too clumsy to be a 10. So what midfield position is the one that suits him? 

In between a defensive midfielder and a more attacking box to box type player. Think Dechamps type player (ball progression). Unspectacular,  but always one of the first names on the sheet for Juventus and France for a reason. Only Smith gave Soumare a chance there and his performances were much improved. 

[Rigga]

1 minute ago, volpeazzurro said:

In between a defensive midfielder and a more attacking box to box type player. Think Dechamps type player (ball progression). Unspectacular,  but always one of the first names on the sheet for Juventus and France for a reason. Only Smith gave Soumare a chance there and his performances were much improved. 

I think you need to give it a rest now…

 

please dont compare him to deschamps..

 

im beginning to think you are actually Soumare !

[volpeazzurro]

7 minutes ago, Rigga said:

I think you need to give it a rest now…

 

please dont compare him to deschamps..

 

im beginning to think you are actually Soumare !

🤣🤣 I did say type and not like, even I don't like him that much 🤣

[desertfox2]

3 hours ago, WarehamFox said:

£50k a week, that's two years salary for some of us. And some at the club are earning 3 times that much! That's 6 years of my salary in a week. So I have to work 6 years to earn the same that they earn in a week?  And sorry some of the City player's don't work as hard as us guy's.

And that right there is exactly why players like Soumare get a hard time from the fans and rightly so. Nobody begrudges them earning big money if they put a shift in. Even if they aren't good enough quality wise, but work hard, fans will tolerate it as that's on recruitment but there is nothing worse than supporting a club and seeing a player out there on the pitch that most people would give anything to be able to do and see them overweight, not running, not tracking back and looking like they don't care and yet still be taking astronomical wages relative to the fans from the club. Certain things should be a given as a professional footballer. Be in shape, be on time, Be fit unless injured and work hard. 

[Jimbo]

2 hours ago, Rigga said:

Honest answer No

Sorry mate, but that's utter tosh. If you genuinely suffer from stress and anxiety because if work there is absolutely no way that it doesn't 

A)affect your performance at work

 

And 

B)affect your personal life

 

Both of which alter how you see work. If you don't think it's affecting it's affecting your performance at work, maybe those around you do. 

 

No matter what you earn if you're unhappy, then you're unhappy. No amount of money is going to change that. Footballers are people too, a lot seem to forget that and use the old "they earn 50k a week" argument to justify it. 

 

I'm not saying that Soumare has been a great buy and I'm certainly not saying he should be given another chance, but it's clear to me there is a player in there. Not all transfers work out. Brendan Rodgers himself said, a number of times, that he was trying to evolve the player that Soumare was/is. It's very clear he's not a defensive type player, but Rodgers continually played him in that role. His body language never really looked like his head was in it, but surely a big part of that is down to the way he was managed? If you're not settling well you need your manager to pick you up, give you a kick up the backside, put an arm round you, whatever it is it's what a manager does, they manage every situation.

 

If you want a great example of how players that are happy and players that aren't peform. We had a squad last season, bar 3 or 4 players, better than the squad that won the league. 

[Rigga]

3 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

Sorry mate, but that's utter tosh. If you genuinely suffer from stress and anxiety because if work there is absolutely no way that it doesn't 

A)affect your performance at work

 

And 

B)affect your personal life

 

Both of which alter how you see work. If you don't think it's affecting it's affecting your performance at work, maybe those around you do. 

 

No matter what you earn if you're unhappy, then you're unhappy. No amount of money is going to change that. Footballers are people too, a lot seem to forget that and use the old "they earn 50k a week" argument to justify it. 

 

I'm not saying that Soumare has been a great buy and I'm certainly not saying he should be given another chance, but it's clear to me there is a player in there. Not all transfers work out. Brendan Rodgers himself said, a number of times, that he was trying to evolve the player that Soumare was/is. It's very clear he's not a defensive type player, but Rodgers continually played him in that role. His body language never really looked like his head was in it, but surely a big part of that is down to the way he was managed? If you're not settling well you need your manager to pick you up, give you a kick up the backside, put an arm round you, whatever it is it's what a manager does, they manage every situation.

 

If you want a great example of how players that are happy and players that aren't peform. We had a squad last season, bar 3 or 4 players, better than the squad that won the league. 

Without wanting to go into too much detail..

it affects my personal life at times where I avoid socialising etc and yes my family do notice A difference at times..

 

because I struggle to switch off from work..it means I’m more focused on work..

but the anxiety is there in case anything goes wrong… it’s difficult to explain..

its when I’m at home/sleepless nights the anxiety kicks in..

whilst actually at work , I feel in control and performance is never an issue..

 

again..I think people are missing the point that whilst Soumare doesn’t have that urgency and desire no coach can give him that…it’s down to himself ..

[Jimbo]

24 minutes ago, Rigga said:

Without wanting to go into too much detail..

it affects my personal life at times where I avoid socialising etc and yes my family do notice A difference at times..

 

because I struggle to switch off from work..it means I’m more focused on work..

but the anxiety is there in case anything goes wrong… it’s difficult to explain..

its when I’m at home/sleepless nights the anxiety kicks in..

whilst actually at work , I feel in control and performance is never an issue..

 

again..I think people are missing the point that whilst Soumare doesn’t have that urgency and desire no coach can give him that…it’s down to himself ..

Mate I'm exactly the same, but while I feel like I'm more focused on work I know that I'm not. Without blowing my own trumpet too much I'm bloody good at what I do, my weird brain that stores all sorts of information allows that, I'm vastly experienced in what I do, I see situations that others don't. But none of that matters because of the stress and anxiety that work causes, especially recently, I can myself feel my performance slipping, the more I feel it, the harder I try, the worse it gets and the cycle continues. Every now and again I feel back in full control but then it starts again. 

 

Now imagine you're a football player stuck in that same cycle?

 

My personal experience right now with work, like yourself without going into too much detail, is that it's blatantly obvious we're hugely understaffed. Upper management have taken their eye off the ball a little and the feel around the entire work place isn't that great. The bigger bosses aren't addressing the situation and there's only so much desire some people can have before they break.

 

There are 2 types of people in the world, especially when talking about sports people, those who have intrinsic motivation and those that need extrinsic motivation. Soumare is clearly the latter.

 

Slightly different example but take Ronaldo and Rooney. Ronaldo, although older now, is still almost peak physicality wise, Rooney who is of similar age looks like a bloke you'd have joy against playing for a pub side. Both Hugely talented but after Fergie retired there was a quite noticable downturn in Rooney's physical ability. 

 

If a player, such as Soumare is struggling mentally, it can suck every ounce of desire out of you, like some people I work with, he might just think to himself "what's the point?" We'll never be privvy to the conversations had between him, Rodgers and the coaching staff, but if Rodgers was telling everyone outside of the club that he wanted Soumare to play a different role then he could well have been continually pointing out his flaws to him because Soumare was no longer playing a way that he enjoyed. Of course, better players can adapt, work hard etc but the best players in the world can lose desire if playing for a manager that they don't trust, look at Mourinho and Chelsea, twice.......

 

People react differently to different situations, you might feel more focussed at work while sacrificing a happier time outside of it, others do it the other way round, some switch off all together, some relish the challenge. No 2 people are the same.

 

Again not saying Soumare is a world beater, but I do geuinely think there is a player in there, just not for us.