Kasey McAteer

[Guest glasgowfox]

3 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Gave the ball away or made a sloppy mistake twice today in what were clear goal scoring chances. Does the basics well but beyond that I don't think he offers a lot, lacks pace badly too. Would much rather see Yunus in his position. 

 

Can't wait till Wilf is back to be honest. 

Who can't wait for wilf but fear we may not see him for a long time 

[SecretPro]

3 minutes ago, murphy said:

Its a shame we've landed on an academy kid with just  handful of appearances for us as our new whipping boy.

Been involved in 20 matches this season. 

 

Don't thinks it's unreasonable to start assessing a 22 year old player after that many appearances in just over half a season. 

 

Not sure why being an academy lad should negate criticism or honesty. Weird rule you've made there.

Edited 13 February by SecretPro

[Stevosevic]

He’s 22. Can’t cross and can’t shoot and can’t really pass. He’s a good athlete.

 

Premier league will not be his level. I’m not even sure top half of this league is his level - he’s surrounded by very good players.

 

Fatawu and Mavididi obvious first picks. 

[SecretPro]

Just now, Stevosevic said:

He’s 22. Can’t cross and can’t shoot and can’t really pass. He’s a good athlete.

 

Premier league will not be his level. I’m not even sure top half of this league is his level - he’s surrounded by very good players.

 

Fatawu and Mavididi obvious first picks. 

Good summary. 

[frany104]

Deserves all the criticism he’s getting tonight. Was dreadful.

[UniFox21]

29 minutes ago, HybridFox said:

Exactly this. Took Barnes and KDH time to come good

But and this is a very big difference, both of those absolutely ripped apart the championship. 

 

Kasey, in arguably one of the strongest teams to play in this division, is struggling. 

[The whole world smiles]

5th game won on the bounce, 14 points clear of 3rd and the first post on the page is slagging a young academy player who was only on for 20 odd minutes. 

 

Nice one lads. 

[Lcfc-1992]

He’s so frustrating, constantly passes backwards. Now he doesn’t seem to pop up in the right position to score he doesn’t offer much.

[SecretPro]

Just now, The whole world smiles said:

5th game won on the bounce, 14 points clear of 3rd and the first post on the page is slagging a young academy player who was only on for 20 odd minutes. 

 

Nice one lads. 

Think if you read the thread you find most of us are discussing his performances over the season. Nothing wrong with deciding a player isn't good enough, being an academy lad doesn't come into it.

[Paninistickers]

26 minutes ago, murphy said:

Its a shame we've landed on an academy kid with just  handful of appearances for us as our new whipping boy.

I don't think it's being a whipping boy. He seems a nice lad, willing and plenty to like about him....but he's in the brutal (but highly paid) world of elite sport and as such, his performances are subject to analysis. 

 

If we changed his profession and said he was a tennis player, or track athlete, the analysis would be just as stark - you are ranked by performance in tennis matches or by your times in, say, the 800m. it is what it is. 

[honeybradger]

He's exceeded expectations this season. He has 5 league goals playing out of position and at times hasnt looked out of place playing in a Premier League squad. He might not be a Premier League ready player at 22 but he has come on leaps and bounds development wise.

[fuchsntf]

1 minute ago, Paninistickers said:

I don't think it's being a whipping boy. He seems a nice lad, willing and plenty to like about him....but he's in the brutal (but highly paid) world of elite sport and as such, his performances are subject to analysis. 

 

If we changed his profession and said he was a tennis player, or track athlete, the analysis would be just as stark - you are ranked by performance in tennis matches or by your times in, say, the 800m. it is what it is. 

Ft love their blame page..but they forget he comes on under instruction,so unlike a tennis player..he can’t always play his own game..

[The whole world smiles]

2 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Think if you read the thread you find most of us are discussing his performances over the season. Nothing wrong with deciding a player isn't good enough, being an academy lad doesn't come into it.

Just find it funny that it's all you've talked about since the final whistle. Seems mad to be zeroing in on a negative when we have so much to be positive about. 

 

I personally think Enzo is a big fan of his workrate which is absolutely relentless so even if his touch is all over the place like today he makes up for it by adding solidity. Yes he's been inconsistent but whatever I trust Enzos opinion a bit more than yours - no offence. 

[SecretPro]

Just now, fuchsntf said:

Ft love their blame page..but they forget he comes on under instruction,so unlike a tennis player..he can’t always play his own game..

Then he wasn't playing either Enzos game or his own tonight then, because Enzo was pretty enraged that Kasey consistently ignored his instructions and if what he did end up playing was his own game then well, that wasn't good enough either.

 

Honestly, it's fine not to rate a player, I'm not sure why it gets people's backs up so much. 

[Nolucklcfc]

Not been the same player since his injury. Looks miles off it and a bit out of his depth. 

[SecretPro]

6 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

Just find it funny that it's all you've talked about since the final whistle. Seems mad to be zeroing in on a negative when we have so much to be positive about. 

 

I personally think Enzo is a big fan of his workrate which is absolutely relentless so even if his touch is all over the place like today he makes up for it by adding solidity. Yes he's been inconsistent but whatever I trust Enzos opinion a bit more than yours - no offence. 

None taken.

 

Honestly though, I've been highlighting Kaseys lack of quality for a while now. I was relieved to see him not starting tonight after the Watford games because its a name when I see on the team sheet that either makes me nervous or just feel like it's going to drag the game down a bit.

 

I feel similar when Hamza is in the starting line up. 

 

Talking about tonight because A. He was truly dreadful and B. When you're winning games and there isn't much else going on it helps to drill down into the details and start looking towards how we play and with what personal in the premier league. 

 

People genuinely really need to stop seeing criticism of players (especially based on a period of time in the team and making appearances) as some sort of insult rather than just an honest conversation which fans should be allowed to have. 

 

All this 'he's an academy lad' stuff is nonsense, you are either good enough or not and this tendency to feel the need to defend 'academy lads' at all costs for no reason other than they came though the academy is a bit boring. There's plenty of shit languishing in the academy, being there isn't a free pass I'm afraid. 

Edited 13 February by SecretPro

[fuchsntf]

10 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Then he wasn't playing either Enzos game or his own tonight then, because Enzo was pretty enraged that Kasey consistently ignored his instructions and if what he did end up playing was his own game then well, that wasn't good enough either.

 

Honestly, it's fine not to rate a player, I'm not sure why it gets people's backs up so much. 

I was throwing in another perspective…any player including “ an in experienced”

Mcateer should face critic when he falls short and is mis-firing..

[LCFC-92]

Frustrating watching him again.

[murphy]

48 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Been involved in 20 matches this season. 

 

Don't thinks it's unreasonable to start assessing a 22 year old player after that many appearances in just over half a season. 

 

Not sure why being an academy lad should negate criticism or honesty. Weird rule you've made there.

 

Really?

 

Don't you understand the learning curve that any player coming out of the academy into the first team has to go on?  He is in the early stages of his development, hence why he, or any kid coming through, deserves more patience than an established pro.

[Stinkenzo]

1 hour ago, SecretPro said:

Nah, If you read the thread, it's based on weeks of game time. For instance, he was woeful last weekend and played a full 90. 

 

Didn't realise we weren't allowed to talk about players? 

Touchy I'm more than aware he didn't do much good when he came on. Just find it amusing at the time of looking that his cameo seemed to be the main talking point from the match. Though probably goes to show how normalized winning has became for us 

[volpeazzurro]

26 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

5th game won on the bounce, 14 points clear of 3rd and the first post on the page is slagging a young academy player who was only on for 20 odd minutes. 

 

Nice one lads. 

Be honest, he was poor. Just because he's 22 and an academy product doesn't make him immune from reasonable criticism. Tonight his touch was poor, don't think he actually made a forward pass or successful cross let alone even attempt to beat a man. If they are the facts why deny them? It's not slagging him off It's reasonable observation. 

[The whole world smiles]

17 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

None taken.

 

Honestly though, I've been highlights Kaseys lack of quality for a while now. I was relieved to see him not starting tonight after the Watford games because its a name when I see on the team sheet that either makes me nervous or just feel like it's going to drag the game down a bit.

 

I feel similar when Hamza is in the starting line up. 

 

Talking about tonight because A. He was truly dreadful and B. When you're winning games and there isn't much else going on it helps to drill down into the details and start looking towards how we play and with what personal in the premier league. 

 

People genuinely really need to stop seeing criticism of players (especially based on a period of time in the team and making appearances) as some sort of insult rather than just an honest conversation which fans should be allowed to have. 

 

All this 'he's an academy lad' stuff is nonsense, you are either good enough or not and this tendency to feel the need to defend 'academy lads' at all costs for no reason other than they came though the academy is a bit boring. There's plenty of shit languishing in the academy, being there isn't a free pass I'm afraid. 

I will happily have a discussion on whether he's good enough, but it's hardly bold analysis to suggest a player who at 22 isn't getting into a fully fit 11 in the championship is not going to be any where near good enough on the wing in the prem. I suspect another championship loan would suit all parties. 

 

My point is you have just seen your side win their 5th game on the spin we are on course to beat the record for most points in the championship, hermadsen, Justin, winks, KDH, Abdul and mavididi are playing like absolute porn stars. The manager is potentially world class and your last 15 posts since the final whistle have all been about a sub who came on for 19 minutes. It's a shame to be concentrating on the negative when there is so much positivity. 

 

I don't know who you think your arguing with either you will be hard pushed to find many sane Leicester fans who think he should be starting in the prem or even in the championship ahead of the current wingers. The difference is most will realise he had some good games earlier on in the season, trust Enzo and see how he progresses. 

Edited 13 February by The whole world smiles

[SecretPro]

Just now, murphy said:

 

Really?

 

Don't you understand the learning curve that any player coming out of the academy into the first team has to go on?  He is in the early stages of his development, hence why he, or any kid coming through, deserves more patience than an established pro.

Didn't he make his first team debut in 21/22? Didn't push on, has been given a big opportunity this season and after a good start has now started to look lost? If players aren't kicking on at 22 in the Championship then it's u likely they are going to be kicking on in the Premier League the season after. Criticism is valid no matter what stage of a career a player is at, without criticism you can't improve. 

 

All I'm saying is, it's highly unlikely he will feature at all next season so I'd rather focus on the players that will. 

 

If he was 18/19 I'd be more inclined to be patient but he's been given a big chance this year to step up and it hasn't happened. 

 

He's probably a lovely lad, just not good enough at this level. 

[Guest foxestalkisfullofidiots]

You could clearly see Enzo telling him he could of gone forward, I don’t think he has the confidence to go forward, reminds me of Luke Thomas looks go back at the first opportunity 

[SecretPro]

16 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

I will happily have a discussion on whether he's good enough, but it's hardly bold analysis to suggest a player who at 22 isn't getting into a fully fit 11 in the championship is not going to be any where near good enough on the wing in the prem. I suspect another championship loan would suit all parties. 

 

My point is you have just seen your side win their 5th game on the spin we are on course to beat the record for most points in the championship, hermadsen, Justin, winks, KDH, Abdul and mavididi are playing like absolute porn stars. The manager is potentially world class and your last 15 posts since the final whistle have all been about a sub who came on for 19 minutes. It's a shame to be concentrating on the negative when there is so much positivity. 

 

I don't know who you think your arguing with either you will be hard pushed to find many sane Leicester fans who think he should be starting in the prem or even in the championship ahead of the current wingers. The difference is most will realise he had some good games earlier on in the season, trust Enzo and see how he progresses. 

If you go back through the entirety of this season I have probably been one of the most positive posters on the forum when it comes to our games, performances, tactics and management's. I've constantly battled the naysayers and non-converts to Enzo ball. 

 

I think its good sometimes to be critical, especially at points like this when it seems everything is easy. I don't see the point in being complacent. Our games tend to go the same way at this point, so I think talking about personel is a reasonable topic at this juncture of the season - there isn't much else going on. Again, I'm not sure why people can't handle criticism of our players? It's odd. I guarantee if we are getting pasted in the Premier League next season and Kasey is getting games then there will be plenty calling for his head. I'm not doing that, I'm just pointing out he's not good enough. 

 

Also, he is starting games periodically, even with our first choices fit...he started on Saturday and wasn't very good. Its a valid topic.

Edited 13 February by SecretPro