LCFC 0 - 1 Hull Post Match Thread

[funkyrobot]

4 minutes ago, CaliFOXnia said:

Come on, you know as well as I do the Fatawu effort and the Vardy header were the only real chances we had. And neither were good enough. For me Vardy HAS to score and Fatawu does well to craft an opening from nothing.
 

Can’t have the “7 shots blocked” either, they’ve not made last ditch, goal saving blocks on any occasion, they’re tame efforts they’ve easily cut out. Nacho wasn’t offside so as you say, “on another day”, I do agree with to an extent.. however - the positions we got ourselves in and the amount of the ball we enjoyed, 1 shot on target is nowhere near good enough. We’re creating opportunities, just not good ones. And this is a repeat of the rest of  performances thus far this season. Which is where it starts to become worrisome. We look very easy to defend against. We’re very predictable and teams are happy to organise and make us beat them while they sit in every man behind the ball. This will be the majority of our games this season also.
 

We look predictable and devoid of a creative spark to unlock a defence at the moment. Hopefully 2 weeks on the training ground will do us the world of good. 

I’d argue that KDH alone had 3 very clear opportunities. 2 screwed wide when he had all the time and space to hit the target and one scuffed straight to the keeper. Not to mention the Vardy and Casadei misses from very close in and Abdul smashing the post. 

[Trent Steel]

1 minute ago, ren said:

Casadei should be the first name on the team sheet. Every time he's come on we're more dangerous.

this 100% he looks good

[Bert]

I think it was one of them days. A complete fluke of a goal. Nothing dropped for us. Nothing went for us. We wouldn’t have scored with 10 mins of injury time. Scary that we seem to lack ideas when we get to the 18 yard box. 

[smudger63]

5 minutes ago, CaliFOXnia said:

Come on, you know as well as I do the Fatawu effort and the Vardy header were the only real chances we had. And neither were good enough. For me Vardy HAS to score and Fatawu does well to craft an opening from nothing.
 

Can’t have the “7 shots blocked” either, they’ve not made last ditch, goal saving blocks on any occasion, they’re tame efforts they’ve easily cut out. Nacho wasn’t offside so as you say, “on another day”, I do agree with to an extent.. however - the positions we got ourselves in and the amount of the ball we enjoyed, 1 shot on target is nowhere near good enough. We’re creating opportunities, just not good ones. And this is a repeat of the rest of  performances thus far this season. Which is where it starts to become worrisome. We look very easy to defend against. We’re very predictable and teams are happy to organise and make us beat them while they sit in every man behind the ball. This will be the majority of our games this season also.
 

We look predictable and devoid of a creative spark to unlock a defence at the moment. Hopefully 2 weeks on the training ground will do us the world of good. 

The clearest chance was the one for KDH when he basically passed it straight to their keeper. 

KDH is a problem at the moment, because try as he might, he ain't cutting it.

We really could have done with another attacking midfielder in the window, one with more composure, and who can play with both feet, but it wasn't to be, so KDH it is for now.

 

[Les-TA-Jon]

51 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

Worse than almost anything Rodgers served up,  that's how bad that was.

Blimey you’ve got a short memory. The height of hyperbole! 

[Sunny0907]

Formation doesn’t seem like it working. The play is too slow the wingers don’t get the ball quick enough. Vestagaard needs to be dropped get Justin back in Doyle to cb and play 433 have Maca start on the right and Fatawu on the left. Need to make more diagonals runs and have over lapping wing backs. Ndidi and kdh are not good enough in that attacking roll. We can’t create anything clear cut with that formation that we’re playing. 

[westernpark]

12 minutes ago, shilton_fox said:

Would you rather have 20 shots from 30 yards that trickle to the keeper or cut backs/crosses that should have been directed on target?

Yeah I agree, but you can’t batter a team if you’re not shooting on target. 

[Chrysalis]

Hull fan summed it up, couldnt argue with him.

 

21 shots with only one on target and defense too lacking to absorb even a small amount of attacks without conceding.

 

We got the ball up the pitch fast, but lacking cutting edge play in the final third.

 

I am at odds with many posts though, we watched a different game?  The team was the most attack minded I seen them all season, just bad at executing it.

[smudger63]

3 minutes ago, ren said:

Casadei should be the first name on the team sheet. Every time he's come on we're more dangerous.

Absolutely, I'm amazed that Enzo hasn't thought the same!

[wattolcfc]

I understand Enzo is determined to play this formation that works for Man City but they have £70m players in each position. We’re arguably wasting Ricardo (who is better on the overlap running at defences) and Ndidi (who is a better ball winner) by playing them out of position, just to squeeze them in the side. 
 

When Enzo was appointed he said that he wants a plan B and that he wanted to overload the box. So far his plan B is to replace like for like in positions and we still don’t have enough players in the box to create real goal scoring opportunities (hence the long range efforts).

 

There’s a long way to go but I’m not sure this way of playing suits the players, I just hope somehow it clicks.

 

[VardyCoyleScarf]

Hull fan here - good result for us but you’re clearly a very good team and you’ll go up automatic no problem - anyways, anyone know how I can purchase a Vardy/Coyle scarf that was being sold outside the ground? Seen a photo on twitter - It’s such a ridiculous scarf that it’s almost brilliant! Any help much appreciated

[Filberts lovechild]

4 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

I’d argue that KDH alone had 3 very clear opportunities. 2 screwed wide when he had all the time and space to hit the target and one scuffed straight to the keeper. Not to mention the Vardy and Casadei misses from very close in and Abdul smashing the post. 

Casedei from the start, Ndidi out. Fatawu looks a baller. Think we add those 2 we get the cutting edge. KDH needs to step up more

[Filberts lovechild]

5 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

The clearest chance was the one for KDH when he basically passed it straight to their keeper. 

KDH is a problem at the moment, because try as he might, he ain't cutting it.

We really could have done with another attacking midfielder in the window, one with more composure, and who can play with both feet, but it wasn't to be, so KDH it is for now.

 

Thought Kel should have scored first half tbh

[Royston.]

Took longer than expected but the first punch to the ribs feeling of defeat by a shitty championship side.

 

Well done Enzo and the lads

[Bilo]

7 minutes ago, Bert said:

I think it was one of them days. A complete fluke of a goal. Nothing dropped for us. Nothing went for us. We wouldn’t have scored with 10 mins of injury time. Scary that we seem to lack ideas when we get to the 18 yard box. 

We need Cannon to be ruthless on today's showing.

[Jimbo]

The wife put the lucky pants in the wash, as soon as I found out I lumped a tenner on a Hull win, it's all on me lads, I'm sorry 

[weller54]

1 hour ago, HitchinFox said:

At least George Elek can now come in his pants. 

His sister.. Anne has a theory on brontosauruses!! 

[KP Fox]

The 3 subs early in second half were about 66% right. He should have left Macca on for another 10 minutes before bringing Stephy on. 

[Ian Nacho]

This wasn’t always going to happen. There were promising signs and on another day we get something from the game. It’s not as if we were completely outplayed like Southampton were today. 

[Bourbon Fox]

38 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

It's not though is it.

 

We've looked poor even when we have won, today's result is hardly a suprise. 

 

Players have absolutely no idea what they or they team mates are doing. There doesn't look like any game plan, any urgency or any structure. 

 

A few fancy passes, play it back to a defender because you don't dare play a forward ball or just take a shot from somewhere your never going to score from.

 

I've not seen a single good performance yet and unless this Enzo way of playing suddenly begins to work, there will be many more results like this to follow.

 

Anyway, besides maybe the new winger that came on, fancy giving me just 1 positive? Literally, just 1 will suffice?

You said it was worse than anything Rodgers served up. That's just wrong. If nothing else, because we had a game under Rodgers with an xG of zero. Today we had 21 shots and just lacked the finish.

 

Positives from today: Casadei looked mustard again when he came on, Mavididi is looking like an exciting player, McAteer showed he can play on either side and ran rings around their full back. We've got wingers! 

 

Still need time for the squad to settle, Doyle had an off day as did a few others, but that was far from Brendan Ball. It was a bad take.

[adejo92]

8 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Blimey you’ve got a short memory. The height of hyperbole! 

Not short enough to erase that dross. 

 

Let's not pretend we've looked any good af any part of this season so far.

[smudger63]

12 minutes ago, Sunny0907 said:

Formation doesn’t seem like it working. The play is too slow the wingers don’t get the ball quick enough. Vestagaard needs to be dropped get Justin back in Doyle to cb and play 433 have Maca start on the right and Fatawu on the left. Need to make more diagonals runs and have over lapping wing backs. Ndidi and kdh are not good enough in that attacking roll. We can’t create anything clear cut with that formation that we’re playing. 

I don't disagree, but he ain't going to go 433, he believes in this system and style of football completely.

What he needs is players that are good enough to play it.

Currently everything is done so slowly, and there isn't enough movement, the players are static.

What is supposed to happen, is the players try to find pockets of space, and so the guy on the ball should have 2 or 3 passing options.

Our players are just standing alongside one of the opposing players most of the time, without trying to move away, which is why everything is so slow, and why our keeper is getting so frustrated.

Edited 2 September 2023 by smudger63

[Pita]

The lack of shots on goal is very concerning. 

[inckley fox]

One thing I am clear on is that the way we set up from the start of games isn't working. In fact, I don't think Enzo's vision of the game is currently effective (it may well be later, of course...).

 

We have vastly superior personnel to our opposition and aren't taking the game to them - we're way too conservative. When we are winning games, it's via the necessity to act fast, and with urgency. When you have quality like ours, you're always going to be dangerous if you push the boat out.

 

As it stands, the principal benefit of 'Enzoball' is that we tire opposition legs and can take advantage when we advance a bit more purposefully, and revert to a 'needs as needs must' approach. Today was no different to the other four games, it was just too little too late this time.

 

Iheanacho, KDH and Ndidi really don't seem suited to what he wants to do. The CF and the 8's have to improve (it seemed weird, actually, that McAteer was the first to come off, because he was arguably our biggest threat, while KDH and Wilf were poor). We only look dangerous when Vardy comes on and we go for it.

 

The question as to whether or not we needed to have such a dramatic sea change in terms of our footballing culture, as opposed to simply doing what these very capable players need to do to win games, will drag on. There's no proof as of yet that the tactical revolution is reaping dividends. After all, the fixture list has been incredibly kind in these first five games. If a side is looking for automatic promotion, all five of those fixtures will be expected wins. When you're aiming for the top, you're always on the brink of questions being asked.

 

But if there were any doubt, it's clear now: Enzo has work to do if he's to dominate this league. Our 'start plan' is devoid of urgency, and our manager is preaching patience where, for me, he should be encouraging us to assert ourselves more, and earlier.

 

And yet, all of these things could come if we have a bit of patience. I hope, though, that Enzo is just a little bit concerned about some of these issues too. We need to impose ourselves.

[Hilton Fox]

4 minutes ago, Filberts lovechild said:

Casedei from the start, Ndidi out. Fatawu looks a baller. Think we add those 2 we get the cutting edge. KDH needs to step up more

I'd drop kdh. Not up to the standard and ndidu looked more dangerous and direct