Popular Post RoboFox Posted 11 July Popular Post Share Posted 11 July 26 minutes ago, Mark said: He was also out of position last year, maybe managers keep trying it because he's no longer effective in his normal position? I think its been forgot how bad he actually was the season we went down. Absolutely this. People have short memories. Some of his performances that season were disgraceful. He looked like he’d forgotten how to play football entirely - and that was him playing in his “natural” position. I’m not against him staying, but some people acting like we’ve re-signed prime 2017-2020 destroyer Wilf when we’ve seen nothing of the sort for years. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonezy Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July Very meh of retaining Wilf and Vestergaard on probably very high wages. Most of our problems stem from a wage bill out of control, and this feels like, we have learnt nothing. I do understand, that buying someone for around 10 miliion and giving them 40K a week is more expensive than sticking with Wilf for 75K a week; but we need to get that wage bill under control and we can't have a squad with massive gaps in wages. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy_Jeff Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July 6 minutes ago, RoboFox said: Absolutely this. People have short memories. Some of his performances that season were disgraceful. He looked like he’d forgotten how to play football entirely - and that was him playing in his “natural” position. I’m not against him staying, but some people acting like we’ve re-signed prime 2017-2020 destroyer Wilf when we’ve seen nothing of the sort for years. Could have been due to how he was coached and the instructions given by the manager? Worth remembering in his prime he had a motivated Tielemans and Maddison central with him. In the relegation season, Madders was often moved out wide, Tielemans had checked out and KDH/Soumare drifted in and out of form. If he’s sat in front of the defence with the instruction to disrupt/win the ball and give it to Harry I’m confident he can do a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wortho Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July 1 hour ago, FoxinNotts said: Sounds like a dodgy legal firm! That’s true… should have been Delap…predictive text😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_lcfc Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July 28 minutes ago, VLC86 said: I’m not having that Wilf was worse than Danny Ward. You replace Ndidi in that team and it probably makes little difference, you replace Ward and we probably finish comfortably in about 15th. Well it's just an opinion, so you don't have to 'have it'. You may be right due to the nature of the positions, but I maintain that Wilf's performances were as bad or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboFox Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July (edited) 9 minutes ago, Jazzy_Jeff said: Could have been due to how he was coached and the instructions given by the manager? Worth remembering in his prime he had a motivated Tielemans and Maddison central with him. In the relegation season, Madders was often moved out wide, Tielemans had checked out and KDH/Soumare drifted in and out of form. If he’s sat in front of the defence with the instruction to disrupt/win the ball and give it to Harry I’m confident he can do a job. If Rodgers’ instructions were to repeatedly give the ball to the opposition via woefully inept passes interspersed by long bouts of complete disinterest, then I suppose it could. Edited 11 July by RoboFox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slymunn Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July (edited) 33 minutes ago, Jonezy said: Very meh of retaining Wilf and Vestergaard on probably very high wages. Most of our problems stem from a wage bill out of control, and this feels like, we have learnt nothing. I do understand, that buying someone for around 10 miliion and giving them 40K a week is more expensive than sticking with Wilf for 75K a week; but we need to get that wage bill under control and we can't have a squad with massive gaps in wages. The wage bill is still going to be lower if they have re signed on 'similar' wages to before. The three signings we have made will be on less than Albrighton. Praet and Iheanacho, along with the big earners leaving from the last two seasons. Edited 11 July by slymunn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July 4 minutes ago, James_lcfc said: Well it's just an opinion, so you don't have to 'have it'. You may be right due to the nature of the positions, but I maintain that Wilf's performances were as bad or worse. If we had played Wilf in goal we probably would have stayed up 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July 6 minutes ago, RoboFox said: If Rodgers’ instructions were to repeatedly give the ball to the opposition via woefully inept passes interspersed by long bouts of complete disinterest, then I suppose it could. It could have been as every other player was just as shit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_lcfc Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July 6 minutes ago, RoboFox said: If Rodgers’ instructions were to repeatedly give the ball to the opposition via woefully inept passes interspersed by long bouts of complete disinterest, then I suppose it could. You need to realise that everything that happened in the relegation season was down to Rodgers and Rodgers only. The (well paid) players had nothing to do with it and should take no blame. Professional pride and accountability isn't really a thing in football innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FoxTimmy2 Posted 11 July Popular Post Share Posted 11 July 1 hour ago, VLC86 said: I’m not having that Wilf was worse than Danny Ward. You replace Ndidi in that team and it probably makes little difference, you replace Ward and we probably finish comfortably in about 15th. We could have put Wilf in goal and still stayed up—that’s how bad Danny Ward was. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wortho Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July 2 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: We've signed 2 to be fair. An 18 year old and an experienced 31 year old. Not really the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slymunn Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July Just now, Wortho said: An 18 year old and an experienced 31 year old. Not really the same? And a 22 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wortho Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July Just now, slymunn said: And a 22 year old. Well he said 2 even though it’s 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July Don't mind him staying. Less transfer outlay that can hopefully be used elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July Just now, StanSP said: Don't mind him staying. Less transfer outlay that can hopefully be used elsewhere. Would hope this is the case, but is it? Wouldn't he have got a signing on fee as if he were any other out of contract guy? Plus there is potentially a higher watermark with his last contract here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July Is he training with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxes1 Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July Wouldn't be surprised to see him stay, Forest were supposedly interested in him when Cooper was manager there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scanchez Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July Come on, Wilf. Don't be a dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July 1 hour ago, Jonezy said: Very meh of retaining Wilf and Vestergaard on probably very high wages. Most of our problems stem from a wage bill out of control, and this feels like, we have learnt nothing. I do understand, that buying someone for around 10 miliion and giving them 40K a week is more expensive than sticking with Wilf for 75K a week; but we need to get that wage bill under control and we can't have a squad with massive gaps in wages. I don’t think a top wage of 75k is that bad for. Premier league team. It was close to double that for Vardy and also Kasper. Vardy is in the twilight years and he will have taken a significant cut as per normal for aging starts due to their decrease in playing time and sell on value.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July (edited) 28 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Would hope this is the case, but is it? Wouldn't he have got a signing on fee as if he were any other out of contract guy? Plus there is potentially a higher watermark with his last contract here? Probably, but it would potentially beat paying a fairly inflated transfer fee, plus signing on fee, plus more wages on another player... EDIT: knowing us we'd buy a new player and end up keeping Ndidi Edited 11 July by StanSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaphamFox Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July 24 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: Is he training with us? He's sitting in a deckchair in his back garden as his phone pings notifying him of the 234th voicemail from the club has left him over the past week. He briefly considers listening to the message but decides against it, then takes a sip of his piña colada, sighs and closes his eyes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July Hope we do also get someone new in @StanSP we are pretty bloody light in midfield!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July 47 minutes ago, Wortho said: An 18 year old and an experienced 31 year old. Not really the same? 45 minutes ago, Wortho said: Well he said 2 even though it’s 3 No I didn't. The original post I quoted said that Ipswich have signed 3 young players. I said we have signed 2, referring to Okoli and Golding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 11 July Share Posted 11 July 1 hour ago, Jonezy said: Very meh of retaining Wilf and Vestergaard on probably very high wages. Most of our problems stem from a wage bill out of control, and this feels like, we have learnt nothing. I do understand, that buying someone for around 10 miliion and giving them 40K a week is more expensive than sticking with Wilf for 75K a week; but we need to get that wage bill under control and we can't have a squad with massive gaps in wages. For PSR whether it's expenditure on wages or amortisation of a transfer fee it makes no difference. What you just described on a 3 year contract would impact or PSR position yearly by 3.33m transfer amortisation and 2.08m wages, so 5.41m per year. Wilf at 75k is coating is 3.9m per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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