coolhandfox Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March 9 minutes ago, Paninistickers said: Agree. But it was designed to do so Based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nod.E Posted 9 March Popular Post Share Posted 9 March 1 minute ago, Paninistickers said: Not writing him.off. But it is unacceptable to fail with promotion with the hand he was dealt.. It'd be the equivalent of Man City finishing fifth and in the Europa. Totally unacceptable. Okay, but we have a 4 point gap and have taken 4 points from the past two games. Both away from home against half decent outfits, during a time that we're struggling. I think QPR was genuinely crap. Sunderland was more evidence of a drop in confidence, for me. Today we've ground out a point. Not the time to be talking about hypothetical failures. By all accounts we've been pretty rubbish the past two games, yet we continue the ppg from those into the final 9 games and we end on 100 points. Yet we will play worse teams, and you'd like to think we'd probably put in some better performances, too. Look, I get it, it's getting a little tighter. I do think people are shitting the bed a little much though. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March The Enzo appointment was an interesting one and one I had very much been enjoying, but it does feel a bit strange given the financial stuff floating about. Negated our fullbacks which I think are very strong for the division, and probably doesn't utilise our striker firepower as much as it could. Arguably made a difficult transfer window even harder to navigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paninistickers Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March 2 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: Based on? Budget for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbfox Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March Just now, Number 6 said: The Enzo appointment was an interesting one and one I had very much been enjoying, but it does feel a bit strange given the financial stuff floating about. Negated our fullbacks which I think are very strong for the division, and probably doesn't utilise our striker firepower as much as it could. Arguably made a difficult transfer window even harder to navigate. I'd say our strikers are the weakest part of our squad. The GOAT, now 37, a wildly unpredictable Daka, Kels who is an enigma and a unproven Cannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March Just now, sbfox said: I'd say our strikers are the weakest part of our squad. The GOAT, now 37, a wildly unpredictable Daka, Kels who is an enigma and a unproven Cannon. In the right system any one of those 4 could be top scorers in this division. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCFCJohn Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March 4 minutes ago, sbfox said: I'd say our strikers are the weakest part of our squad. The GOAT, now 37, a wildly unpredictable Daka, Kels who is an enigma and a unproven Cannon. Disagree with this. 3 of these (Kel aside) have had strong returns on the runs of games they have had and if any one had been the ‘main man’ for the season rather than being chopped and changed, would have likely had strong returns. Complete lack of any depth in central midfield (8’s and Winks cover) and on the wings are/have been far bigger issue imo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbfox Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March 4 minutes ago, Number 6 said: In the right system any one of those 4 could be top scorers in this division. What's the right system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbfox Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March Just now, LCFCJohn said: Disagree with this. 3 of these (Kel aside) have had strong returns on the runs of games they have had and if any one had been the ‘main man’ for the season rather than being chopped and changed, would have likely had strong returns. Complete lack of any depth in central midfield (8’s and Winks cover) and on the wings are/have been far bigger issue imo. Isn't the point we're getting at that actually this squad might not be all that it's cracked up to be and that actually we've done very well with what we have available...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelmofox Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March Just now, Paninistickers said: Not writing him.off. But it is unacceptable to fail with promotion with the hand he was dealt.. It'd be the equivalent of Man City finishing fifth and in the Europa. Totally unacceptable. I'm not having that - sorry. There is no current Man City equivalent of our relegation and subsequent loss of our best playmaker and most prolific winger. Wind the clock back to our ridiculous pre season, and so many on here were predicting that we would have a shocking start to the season and that we would be lucky to be chasing playoffs. The start that our team had this season raised the bar significantly, but i think lots of people have forgotten how sh1te things became and what a job it was to turn it around. We are now in a sticky patch and underperforming, but it was literally 6 league games ago (Watford) we were calling out the amazing work he had done and 5 league games ago (Sheff Weds) where we were saying we saw the best 1st half display this team had ever made. Around all that, we matched and beat a relatively strong PL side. The bloke is not beyond criticism and i think there is a lot of work to do, but it doesn't take much for the vultures to come swirling. 33 minutes ago, Paninistickers said: But, I've had this nagging feeling from the that a much more pragmatic conventional 4231, with full backs bombing forward, would have blown this division away. We spent a significant portion of this season blowing the division away. We had one of the best starts ever seen and had a riciulous xmas and new year campaign. Bring on a relatively stress free FA cup game, try and reset over the international break. It's not beyond the realms of possibility, that we finish the season strongly. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March 1 minute ago, sbfox said: What's the right system? I don't think there's one right but one which places more emphasis on strikers than our current one does would probably lead to more goals. Southampton getting good returns from their forwards and I think ours are stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelmofox Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March 1 minute ago, Number 6 said: I don't think there's one right but one which places more emphasis on strikers than our current one does would probably lead to more goals. Southampton getting good returns from their forwards and I think ours are stronger. Yet they are 4th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmono84 Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March Best footballing squad in the league by far but they sure are weak as piss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March Just now, Chelmofox said: Yet they are 4th? The question was about getting the best out of strikers. Not what the best overall system is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCFCJohn Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March 1 minute ago, sbfox said: Isn't the point we're getting at that actually this squad might not be all that it's cracked up to be and that actually we've done very well with what we have available...? It’s just hugely unbalanced. We don’t need 4 strikers (even thought as I say above, they are not the problem individually) and we don’t need 5 goalkeepers. If you could say remove Ward and Nacho from the squad and have these numbers in the form of another winger and number 8 even, I think this would have helped us hugely. In terms of the quality of players we do have, you’d be reaching to suggest we have over performed but depth in key areas is lacking. This isn’t something to be put at Enzo’s door. You can only do so much in one summer and one (very quiet) winter windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelmofox Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March 1 minute ago, Number 6 said: The question was about getting the best out of strikers. Not what the best overall system is. But surely if it was much better they would have scored more goals than us and be in a better position than us? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear Of The Fox Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March 2 minutes ago, sbfox said: What's the right system? Any combination of 2 upfront (preferably Iheanacho/Vardy but can rotate as Daka/Cannon, Vardy/Cannon with Cannon dropping back as a "playmaker" ST) , a 10 with free roam instructions, Pereira/Justin as advanced FBs and Ndidi as a DMF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbfox Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March 5 minutes ago, Number 6 said: I don't think there's one right but one which places more emphasis on strikers than our current one does would probably lead to more goals. Southampton getting good returns from their forwards and I think ours are stronger. But... I don't know what this means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chelmofox said: But surely if it was much better they would have scored more goals than us and be in a better position than us? It's better in the sense that they have a striker on 18 is all I'm saying. I think that's an area of our squad we are strong in and probably haven't utilised to its fullest. Edited 9 March by Number 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbfox Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March 2 minutes ago, Fear Of The Fox said: Any combination of 2 upfront (preferably Iheanacho/Vardy but can rotate as Daka/Cannon, Vardy/Cannon with Cannon dropping back as a "playmaker" ST) , a 10 with free roam instructions, Pereira/Justin as advanced FBs and Ndidi as a DMF. So the Rodgers system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March 1 hour ago, when_you're_smiling said: I think people have regularly forgotten he’s basically a managerial novice including when we were on a roll. He’s still learning about being a number one and he’ll learn a lot in the next few weeks. That’s part and parcel of taking a gamble on him. He's had 9 months to think of something different and his ability to see whats required is lacking for me. Not sure he'll ever learn as he's obsessed with 'the idea'. Coady had to play today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March 4 minutes ago, sbfox said: But... I don't know what this means? All I'm saying is, on the last day of last season if you'd have looked at our squad and chosen a manager to get the best out of the current players at the time, you probably wouldn't have gone with Enzo. We made the transfer window more difficult imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear Of The Fox Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March 1 minute ago, sbfox said: So the Rodgers system? What do you mean the Rodgers system? Rodgers only implemented this one when he was out of options and was forced to do it. It was just 5 or max 6 games if I remember well and we didn't lose any of them. We even won a game against Liverpool at home, if I'm not mistaken, with a depleted squad and this exact tactical plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paninistickers Posted 9 March Popular Post Share Posted 9 March 5 minutes ago, Chelmofox said: We spent a significant portion of this season blowing the division away But did we? Results were magnificent but there was always an element of built on sand about many games. Unlike the Mucky Adams and NP promotions. We ended many wins very shakily, Brum away. Millwall home. West Brom away. Watford away. Even Rotherham had three good chances in the last 10. Sunderland hone and away. Going back, wins at Swansea and Blackburn both came after near catastrophic gaffes at 2-1 but we ended with flattering scorelines. Huddersfield and Rotherham away early doors both came out of unexpected late goals. The only games where I felt we had total, absolute control were games where the oppo had virtually given up; Cardiff away. Stoke home and away. Watford at home. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March 3 minutes ago, Number 6 said: All I'm saying is, on the last day of last season if you'd have looked at our squad and chosen a manager to get the best out of the current players at the time, you probably wouldn't have gone with Enzo. We made the transfer window more difficult imo. I think that’s a bit harsh. I probably wouldn’t have chosen Mahrez as a choice for a winger for example. just because someone is an option we didn’t think about, doesn’t make them a bad option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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