Alf Bentley Posted 22 October 2023 Share Posted 22 October 2023 27 minutes ago, Daggers said: Will never happen. He's given plenty of good interviews but the public perception remains driven by the narrative coming from billionaire media moguls. People just don't care for anything other than soundbites according with their world view. At best, news organisations will see the wind change and cease the vilification but that does nothing to address the smears they've already published. Doubtless true for some people, but not for others, I think. It's true that some (on all sides) will never question their allegiance/world view and will inhabit the echo chambers of their favoured media or social media. Others will opt out and not vote. But there is also a substantial minority who aren't particularly aligned or engaged with politics but pay a bit more attention when there's a general election. Those are the people who could buy into key Labour messages/policies and could warm to Starmer as a national leader, if the presentation is right. That won't penetrate Twitter echo chambers or The Sun or Daily Mail (unless, as you say, they see the wind change and tone down their usual pro-Right partisanship). But a lot of people still see or hear news on BBC, ITV, Sky, radio stations or Google News, which will offer more neutral coverage - and an election campaign will present much more politics and much more of Starmer, Sunak & co to voters' ears and eyes. I'm less of a pessimist than you seem to be. I believe that some pretty non-political people will listen and some can be influenced to some extent. Of course, if Labour do win it'll mainly be because of a widespread public perception that the country is in a state, that the Tories bear great responsibility for this and that "it's time for a change". But during the campaign Labour will have an opportunity to win some more positive voter buy-in. Not from people who are currently hostile to them, but from those with no strong allegiance and those who are currently dissatisfied with their lives and/or the Tories but who think Labour would be no better or that Starmer is a boring, identikit, dishonest politician with no clear policies. Given the challenges in the in-tray, it's important that a few more people buy into Lab plans/Starmer. A win based only on anti-Tory votes and unthinking "time for a change" is a recipe for a Lab govt that soon becomes unpopular if it doesn't solve all the country's problems quickly, which it won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 22 October 2023 Share Posted 22 October 2023 Fair play to the woman on Sky News now calling out Sunak and Co supporters of Israel about the latest actions. Shameful that senior world leaders condone this and back Israel. Israel 'apologises' for the 'accidental' bombing. Fakest apology ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 23 October 2023 Share Posted 23 October 2023 Is there or isn’t there an embargo on discussion of the Hamas/Israel conflict I think a strategic discussion about the threat of a wider conflict in the region would be useful as it may not at this stage involve having to ‘take sides’ or have strong opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 23 October 2023 Share Posted 23 October 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 23 October 2023 Share Posted 23 October 2023 10 hours ago, Daggers said: You could try explaining war isnt hell to some of the people in this article... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67198270 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 24 October 2023 Share Posted 24 October 2023 7 hours ago, MPH said: You could try explaining war isnt hell to some of the people in this article... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67198270 It says War is worse than Hell because innocent people are caught up in war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 24 October 2023 Share Posted 24 October 2023 Well that was unexpected 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaphamFox Posted 24 October 2023 Share Posted 24 October 2023 (edited) MPH already posted it… Edited 24 October 2023 by ClaphamFox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 24 October 2023 Share Posted 24 October 2023 14 hours ago, MPH said: You could try explaining war isnt hell to some of the people in this article... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67198270 This is like something I'd read about happening in 11th century Europe. Incredibly dark day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 24 October 2023 Share Posted 24 October 2023 8 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: It says War is worse than Hell because innocent people are caught up in war. oops my bad. No excuses other than I’m a div. Sorry @Daggers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hankey Posted 24 October 2023 Share Posted 24 October 2023 4 hours ago, Daggers said: Well that was unexpected Similar to the Houses of Parliament then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 24 October 2023 Author Share Posted 24 October 2023 (edited) Worker Caught Urinating Into Beer Tank https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-67191242 I never drink Tsingtao cos it tastes like... oh, wait... Edited 24 October 2023 by Trav Le Bleu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 24 October 2023 Share Posted 24 October 2023 I’m not an expert but when you’re struggling to get the working classes to vote for you, removing the bankers bonus cap seems illogical. Unless you’ve already conceded that you’re going to lose the next election and wants your mates to get rich? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67206997#comments 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 24 October 2023 Share Posted 24 October 2023 4 hours ago, MPH said: oops my bad. No excuses other than I’m a div. Sorry @Daggers. Don't bother me none, I assumed you'd missed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 24 October 2023 Share Posted 24 October 2023 2 hours ago, Daggers said: Don't bother me none, I assumed you'd missed it my reputation proceeds me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 25 October 2023 Share Posted 25 October 2023 11 hours ago, Lionator said: I’m not an expert but when you’re struggling to get the working classes to vote for you, removing the bankers bonus cap seems illogical. Unless you’ve already conceded that you’re going to lose the next election and wants your mates to get rich? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67206997#comments The cap on bankers bonuses was only ever a political stunt I think, and has probably resulted in higher salaries instead, which makes no sense to banks as they are paying regardless of results. Getting rid of it is politically risky though. Whether people who care were likely to vote Conservative? Doutbtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson Posted 25 October 2023 Share Posted 25 October 2023 (edited) On 23/10/2023 at 10:28, Daggers said: Pretty sure little kids, disabled people and old ladies do all go to hell tbf. We are supposedly all born in a state of sin and anyone who hasn’t asked for forgiveness for that sin-from-birth supposedly does. Edited 25 October 2023 by Sampson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONreborn Posted 25 October 2023 Share Posted 25 October 2023 Hello, was wondering where the threat to discuss terrorism by Hamas and Israel against innocent civilians is? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MPH Posted 25 October 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 25 October 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, MONreborn said: Hello, was wondering where the threat to discuss terrorism by Hamas and Israel against innocent civilians is? We,, if you can manage it without talking about politics or religion then you found the right place! Edited 25 October 2023 by MPH 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 25 October 2023 Share Posted 25 October 2023 Cretin Peter Bone suspended from Parliament!!.. Drain the swamp!! Horrible piece of s**t. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretPro Posted 25 October 2023 Share Posted 25 October 2023 18 minutes ago, weller54 said: Cretin Peter Bone suspended from Parliament!!.. Drain the swamp!! Horrible piece of s**t. One of the most disgusting, vile, lying people knocking around parliament and that says something. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 25 October 2023 Share Posted 25 October 2023 44 minutes ago, weller54 said: Cretin Peter Bone suspended from Parliament!!.. Drain the swamp!! Horrible piece of s**t. Does this mean another by-election for wherever he was an MP for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacemunky Posted 25 October 2023 Share Posted 25 October 2023 I just heard on the radio that Frances Bean Cobain married Tony Hawk's son Riley. That's a whole lot of 90s nostalgia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted 25 October 2023 Share Posted 25 October 2023 1 hour ago, weller54 said: Cretin Peter Bone suspended from Parliament!!.. Drain the swamp!! Horrible piece of s**t. Looks like Sven Goran Eriksson innit🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 25 October 2023 Share Posted 25 October 2023 55 minutes ago, StanSP said: Does this mean another by-election for wherever he was an MP for? Looks that way... another Tory piece of scum bites the dust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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