Mickyblueeyes Posted 23 February Share Posted 23 February 8 minutes ago, Zear0 said: If only she'd ever been in a position of power that held sway over domestic policing and immigration. You know what the scariest thing is. She is being as controversial as she is because she believes she has an audience for the purposes of future leadership. I mean, I've always known (and I'm sure they do) that the Tories, just like Labour have some quite questionable opinions within their ranks. These opinion are a minority that rears its ugly head once in a while. Never enough to justify an entire leadership campaign around it. How many more think as perverse as her and why does she think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 23 February Share Posted 23 February 3 hours ago, Finnegan said: No. Don't do that. Don't do that at all. Don't dismiss these people as insane. This isn't crazy, it's not even stupid, it's very clever and that is the problem. These people are very successfully cultivating and exploiting a culture war to create division and disharmony in the electorate and it's working. Look at who she's sat next to in that picture, look at who she was addressing and where she was. This shit is dangerous and hand waving it or laughing it off as crazy Liz Truss is how we ended up with Boris ****ing Johnson and Donald ****ing Trump in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 23 February Share Posted 23 February What's with all these deaths in Bristol in recent times?.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-68379008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post urban.spaceman Posted 23 February Popular Post Share Posted 23 February Tory Party have retweeted this. They’re the ***** who introduced the policy (and most of their MPs voted for it). makes no mention of the fact that the Tory government trashed the long-standing pandemic preparedness plan left by Blair. makes no mention of the 5 missed COBRA meetings by Johnson makes no mention of the reactionary budget made necessary by Johnson’s dereliction of duty makes no mention of the billions of pounds worth of useless PPE they had to get late in the day makes no mention of the failed £37bn track and trace system that didn’t work makes no mention of the VIP PPE lane set up by the Tories via WhatsApp where the Tories gave their mates lucrative contracts in the billions. makes no mention of the billions in COVID fraud written off by Sunak as chancellor. ———— This is just the start. There’s going to be so much more revisionism trying to absolve these Tory ***** of responsibility for what they’ve done and it needs to be ****ing challenged. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 23 February Share Posted 23 February 12 hours ago, Jattdogg said: 2024 in america and this is what they are concermed about. https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/22/us/darryl-george-crown-act-trial-texas-reaj/index.html 9 hours ago, casablancas said: It’s 2024 America that concerns me. The irony in attending Barber's Hill Independent School District. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 23 February Share Posted 23 February I see Muslim Extremism is the latest racist dog whistle by Cruella, Jenrick and 50p Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 23 February Share Posted 23 February 8 minutes ago, CosbehFox said: I see Muslim Extremism is the latest racist dog whistle by Cruella, Jenrick and 50p Lee "Islamists are running Britain", says the bunch who have been running the show for 14 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 23 February Share Posted 23 February 1 hour ago, Voll Blau said: "Islamists are running Britain", says the bunch who have been running the show for 14 years. Maybe they assume that Rishi is a Muslim cos he’s brown ??? (braverman clearly has never looked in a mirror) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 23 February Share Posted 23 February They're airbrushing Cruella now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 23 February Share Posted 23 February Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 23 February Share Posted 23 February Would need a good 8 pints I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 23 February Share Posted 23 February Has anyone been to Kirkby in Ashfield recently. The gall of 30p lee calling London a mess when he oversees there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 23 February Share Posted 23 February 24 minutes ago, Lionator said: Has anyone been to Kirkby in Ashfield recently. The gall of 30p lee calling London a mess when he oversees there. They've been using old "but the NHS in Wales" as a goto for many, many years now. They will be pointing to all the non-Tory run councils going bust in the last year or so. Without any honesty about who controlled the funding. Anti-Tory folk need to be informed and organised on social media about this sort of thing to challenge every single lie they make. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February This is news apparently... https://news.sky.com/story/king-charles-shown-chuckling-at-get-well-card-featuring-dog-in-a-head-cone-13079336 Whats next "king charles takes a breath" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February 16 hours ago, foxy boxing said: She turned her back on the British way of life and British values to live under a death cult ideology. She thought she could just come back to a place she openly dispised because her life in the death cult didn't work out. She made her choices and she is paying the price. There are others that went to fight for ISIS that are back in this country some have gone to jail. She was only fifteen when she went, could she have been sufficiently rehabilitated if she came back. The punishment of losing her British citizenship and staying in Syria is a far greater punishment than any jail sentence or conviction the courts here would prescribe. She was 15. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February (edited) The same 15 year olds want the vote and change their gender. Edited 24 February by Otis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February 40 minutes ago, Otis said: The same 15 year old want the vote and change their gender. Huge if true. Where did you see this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickyblueeyes Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February Lee ****ing Anderson. Bloody hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February 22 hours ago, ClaphamFox said: I agree. She really ought to be our problem as she was born and raised here and doesn't have citizenship of any other country. Under British law we're not supposed to render anybody stateless, but that's what we've done with her. We'd be livid if we were prevented from deporting a foreign terrorist from British soil because the country in which they were born and raised refused to take them back. Yep. Agree totally with both of you. She was a British citizen and born and raised in the UK. It’s washing our hands of a problem of our own culture’s creation. Saying she should be allowed back in the country isn’t saying she shouldn’t be punished. But stripping someone of their citizenship is banishment and strikes me as incredibly archaic and just strikes me as typical British exceptionalism. Let’s just say, I imagine the Venn diagram of crossover of people claiming it’s right she should be stripped of citizenship and those who would be livid if it was the other way round as you said is of high crossover. Also, it’s not just under British law we shouldn’t render someone stateless - it’s under international law and part of the Geneva convention. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February (edited) 22 hours ago, Finnegan said: It's about the birth rate. It's all about the birth rate. They went after abortion, they're going after contraceptives next, they've targeted the LGBT community for years and it's trans people up now. Nearly all of those things are a perceived threat to the birth rate, which is tumbling. Work force is ageing, it's a significant mid to long term threat to most major, western, capitalist societies. Agree completely and said it many times on here that Population Ageing is the 2nd most important issue of our time and will continue to be the 2nd most important and impactful issue over the next 50 years only behind climate change. And so much conservative policy is secretly about trying to increase birth rates or trying to deflect away the issues of population ageing onto immigration or young people not working hard enough, because they can’t go after the pensions system as it’s their main voter base. Yet it seems to get virtually no coverage despite the fact many of the economic issues, problems with the nhs, the need for high levels of immigration and generational divides in our modern time all are direct results of population ageing and the fact the proportion of older people who take up the vast majority of state support is getting greater and greater compared to those of tax paying age. Edited 24 February by Sampson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February 7 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: She was 15. Above the age of criminal responsibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Finnegan Posted 24 February Popular Post Share Posted 24 February 25 minutes ago, Sampson said: Yep. Agree totally with both of you. She was a British citizen and born and raised in the UK. It’s washing our hands of a problem of our own culture’s creation. Saying she should be allowed back in the country isn’t saying she shouldn’t be punished. But stripping someone of their citizenship is banishment and strikes me as incredibly archaic and just strikes me as typical British exceptionalism. Let’s just say, I imagine the Venn diagram of crossover of people claiming it’s right she should be stripped of citizenship and those who would be livid if it was the other way round as you said is of high crossover. Also, it’s not just under British law we shouldn’t render someone stateless - it’s under international law and part of the Geneva convention. I said all of this at the time and it's still my opinion now. 1. Nobody - and I mean nobody - born and raised as a citizen in the UK should ever have their citizenship revoked. It shouldn't be possible and the idea it is is terrifying to all citizens. It doesn't matter what she's done, one thing nobody can take away from her is the fact she IS British, whether she liked it at the time or not. 2. I 10000% agree with and also said at the time the part there about responsibility. That's the bit that actually angered me most. She was brainwashed in this country, she was a vulnerable child in this country, she was exploited in this country. We allowed it to happen, it's our responsibility. We couldn't just pack up the Moors murderers or the Yorkshire ripper, decide they aren't British anymore and dump them in another country and say - you deal with it. I don't see the difference. 18 minutes ago, Sampson said: Agree completely and said it many times on here that Population Ageing is the 2nd most important issue of our time and will continue to be the 2nd most important and impactful issue over the next 50 years only behind climate change. And so much conservative policy is secretly about trying to increase birth rates or trying to deflect away the issues of population ageing onto immigration or young people not working hard enough, because they can’t go after the pensions system as it’s their main voter base. Yet it seems to get virtually no coverage despite the fact many of the economic issues, problems with the nhs, the need for high levels of immigration and generational divides in our modern time all are direct results of population ageing and the fact the proportion of older people who take up the vast majority of state support is getting greater and greater compared to those of tax paying age. Yep. Anyone that doesn't think it's the birth rate needs to go and take a look at what's just happened in the USA. The billionaires lost control of the nutters for a moment. The Christian fundamentalists they've empowered and weaponised to push this stuff went rogue and are pushing for legislation that'll kill IVF clinics because of the way they store embryos. So Trump has had to come out and tell them to reign it in and speak up against other conservative law makers because it'll make it harder for people to have kids. But it baffles me, like you say, you never hear this narrative in the media or even amongst the general population. Left and right, everyone makes it about religion and it isn't at all. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February 23 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said: You know what the scariest thing is. She is being as controversial as she is because she believes she has an audience for the purposes of future leadership. I mean, I've always known (and I'm sure they do) that the Tories, just like Labour have some quite questionable opinions within their ranks. These opinion are a minority that rears its ugly head once in a while. Never enough to justify an entire leadership campaign around it. How many more think as perverse as her and why does she think that. Look up 'Tufton Street' and 'dirty money' and you might get a nasty shock. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickyblueeyes Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February 3 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: Look up 'Tufton Street' and 'dirty money' and you might get a nasty shock. I don’t know much about but recalled the Good Law Project recently started a campaign on this. Was reading in passing but might pay a bit more attention to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February 40 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said: I don’t know much about but recalled the Good Law Project recently started a campaign on this. Was reading in passing but might pay a bit more attention to it. That's who owns her, in essence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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