Dunge Posted 23 March Share Posted 23 March 16 minutes ago, Parafox said: They won't. They will likely see it as a an isolated attack that will result in some response, but not "militarily". They've got the Stasi for that. Most Russian's believe in the war in Ukraine and will continue to support the army being there rather than being pulled back to counter a negligible (in the scheme of things) incident. If they truly had no concern about the Russian public eventually turning against them on the war then they wouldn’t lie and insinuate that these terrorists were somehow in league with Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 23 March Share Posted 23 March 1 minute ago, Dunge said: If they truly had no concern about the Russian public eventually turning against them on the war then they wouldn’t lie and insinuate that these terrorists were somehow in league with Ukraine. Do you truly believe that the average Russian citizen will form some sort of rebellion against the Russian state? You've read what has happened to opponents of Putin, I assume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunge Posted 23 March Share Posted 23 March (edited) 11 minutes ago, Parafox said: Do you truly believe that the average Russian citizen will form some sort of rebellion against the Russian state? You've read what has happened to opponents of Putin, I assume? I believe it’s a possibility but not a certainty. It’s the whole reason for his march toward totalitarianism, because he fears internal opposition building up momentum against him. Propaganda exists for a reason. He can keep external threats at bay with his nukes. Internal threats can’t be subdued by that and he knows it. Edited 23 March by Dunge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 23 March Author Share Posted 23 March 11 minutes ago, Parafox said: Do you truly believe that the average Russian citizen will form some sort of rebellion against the Russian state? You've read what has happened to opponents of Putin, I assume? You could've said the same in 1917 comrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 24 March Share Posted 24 March (edited) 4 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said: You could've said the same in 1917 comrade. I'm not sure what that response means. I know some about the Russian revolution and the overthrow of the imperialists who were replaced by the Bolsheviks. WW1 caused Russia severe hardship, to the brink of famine leading to an uprising of the Russian people opposed to Russia's involvement in WW1, because of the hardship it was creating. That allowed Lenin to gain power and there was a coup and the Bolsheviks took control. The difference is now, there's no obvious hardship, there's unlikely to be a famine, so an uprising of different factions opposing Putin and the Russian state is unlikely. Propaganda and actions which generate fear among the populace, is a very powerful political tool in supressing opposition. Edited 24 March by Parafox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 24 March Share Posted 24 March It is kinda hilarious that ISIS has entered a propaganda war with the Kremlin and is making them look like mugs. *the mass murder of civilians is not hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 24 March Share Posted 24 March Reckon there'll be a terror incident in the UK at some point.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 24 March Share Posted 24 March 8 minutes ago, Wymsey said: Reckon there'll be a terror incident in the UK at some point.. To be honest I’m amazed there hasn’t been even a small scale one in the Israel/palestine context. But touch wood one of the scale of what happened in Moscow is unlikely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FoyleFox Posted 24 March Popular Post Share Posted 24 March In stark contrast to all the other news stories, I bring you one to warm the cockles of your heart https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-68638925 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 24 March Share Posted 24 March https://news.sky.com/story/king-frustrated-about-speed-of-cancer-recovery-and-is-pushing-staff-to-be-able-to-return-to-duties-says-peter-phillips-13101147?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 24 March Share Posted 24 March Putin’s risk is in Russia, but not from the populace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hankey Posted 24 March Share Posted 24 March 1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said: Putin’s risk is in Russia, but not from the populace. Great pity he was not in Crocus Hall at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox_up_north Posted 25 March Share Posted 25 March 13 hours ago, David Hankey said: Great pity he was not in Crocus Hall at the time. That would possibly be quite a bad outcome for a LOT of people. Look how there's fingers pointed at Ukraine on this. Then add in Putin's death. The ideal outcome is probably people getting tired of him and ousting/ retiring him. He doesn't need to be a martyr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 25 March Share Posted 25 March Looking at the BBC website seems the suspects took quite a beating before they went to court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox_up_north Posted 25 March Share Posted 25 March They fell down some stairs. Not out of a window, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 25 March Share Posted 25 March 49 minutes ago, fox_up_north said: That would possibly be quite a bad outcome for a LOT of people. Look how there's fingers pointed at Ukraine on this. Then add in Putin's death. The ideal outcome is probably people getting tired of him and ousting/ retiring him. He doesn't need to be a martyr. There’s a conflicting viewpoint that Putin in power is good for geopolitical stability as the alternative and lack of succession planning in Russia would lead to civil war and a lot more bloodshed and instability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hankey Posted 25 March Share Posted 25 March 4 hours ago, fox_up_north said: That would possibly be quite a bad outcome for a LOT of people. Look how there's fingers pointed at Ukraine on this. Then add in Putin's death. The ideal outcome is probably people getting tired of him and ousting/ retiring him. He doesn't need to be a martyr. It would also be a good outcome for a LOT of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 25 March Share Posted 25 March Israel not happy with the US as they didn’t vote against the UN ceasefire . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lionator Posted 25 March Popular Post Share Posted 25 March 4 minutes ago, Super_horns said: Israel not happy with the US as they didn’t vote against the UN ceasefire . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world Probs should reconsider about bombing and starving hundreds of thousands of people to death in that case. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 25 March Share Posted 25 March the resolution calls for the immediate release of the hostages and ceasefire for the for the remainder of Ramadan this is weaker than the ceasefire arrangement that Hamas/ israel recently rejected. Hamas wouldn’t accept it because Israel wouldn’t withdraw their troops and agree to permanent ceasefire the bluster from Israel seems to be more to do with the fact that the us hasn’t vetoed than the actual content of the resolution. After all, if Israel receives all the hostages back and in return has to restrain from any fighting until the end of Ramadan then that’s a way better scenario than theyve been negotiating thus far. The resolution makes no mention of releasing convicted Palestinian prisoners on a scale 10:1 to a hostage which has been under discussion. this resolution actually backs netenyahu into a corner - suspect that’s what he’s mad about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fox_favourite Posted 26 March Share Posted 26 March 23 minutes ago, Facecloth said: That sounds horrific, especially as their are claims that there were cars on the bridge. But how on earth has that happened/been allowed to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 26 March Share Posted 26 March One day cargo. The next day car not go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 26 March Share Posted 26 March (edited) 18 minutes ago, StanSP said: One day cargo. The next day car not go. Not bad but perhaps a little too soon …… Anyway, for more information see below (I assume the mcallister family ‘bought’ the tugboats for the city ?) some worrying reports that maybe dozens have fallen into the river Edited 26 March by st albans fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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