BKLFox Posted 2 November 2023 Share Posted 2 November 2023 5 hours ago, Raj said: I despair for the future of this world..... that ship sailed years ago.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 2 November 2023 Share Posted 2 November 2023 I’m censoring this so it won’t be seen as being political Do we need an Islamophobia awareness month? get your answers in quick!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsr-burnley Posted 2 November 2023 Share Posted 2 November 2023 4 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said: I've got an I've got a brilliant reason to destroy the Elves on the Shelf now Surely "elves on the shelves" ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellend Sebastian Posted 2 November 2023 Share Posted 2 November 2023 22 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said: Surely "elves on the shelves" ?? Sometimes two shelves, sometimes just one. Sometimes on something completely different, sometimes in a series of compromising positions leading my wife to call me "immature" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny Posted 2 November 2023 Share Posted 2 November 2023 3 hours ago, Footballwipe said: Eh? Your statement would surely only be true if M&S intended to look like they were setting fire to the Palestinian flag. Intention is everything in this surely? People are pissed that M&S is burning the Palestinian flag, hen anyone with a brain can say with certainty they're not doing that, nor intended. Anyone getting het up about it should be treated with the contempt they deserve. They've been offended by something that isn't there. It's not there. It's a coincidence. Why are people offended by a coincidence? I learnt from a caller on LBC today that m and S has a history of Zionism and chose this year to demonstrate it in their Christmas advert. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 2 November 2023 Share Posted 2 November 2023 (edited) Edit: M&S mentioned above. Edited 2 November 2023 by Wymsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted 2 November 2023 Share Posted 2 November 2023 4 hours ago, Daggers said: As long as they don’t die hard and leave family members home alone Jingle all the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 Starmer’s approval rating continues to rise despite the loud voices on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post urban.spaceman Posted 3 November 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 3 November 2023 1 hour ago, Lionator said: Starmer’s approval rating continues to rise despite the loud voices on the left. There really can’t be a more useless bunch of twats than these people. I honestly think they would genuinely prefer being in perpetual opposition than have to compromise on some things to be in power. They don’t have a single brain cell between them. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 2 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: There really can’t be a more useless bunch of twats than these people. I honestly think they would genuinely prefer being in perpetual opposition than have to compromise on some things to be in power. They don’t have a single brain cell between them. It’s incredible isn’t it the tories were the similar in the 2000/2007 period where they’re persistently chose leaders who were effectively unelectable it’s not difficult- if you aren’t in govt then you can’t enact the policies that you believe in. corbyn could have made it into power if he’d ditched his principles for a couple of years …. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunge Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 4 minutes ago, st albans fox said: It’s incredible isn’t it the tories were the similar in the 2000/2007 period where they’re persistently chose leaders who were effectively unelectable it’s not difficult- if you aren’t in govt then you can’t enact the policies that you believe in. corbyn could have made it into power if he’d ditched his principles for a couple of years …. He thought he had. He said he’d renew Trident. The whole point of people on the hard wings of politics is that they represent a form of philosophical purity. The very thought of compromise is anathema to them. It’s why Peter Hitchens was once hard left and is now hard right. He fell out with his peers but wanted to keep the purity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 Just now, Dunge said: He thought he had. He said he’d renew Trident. The whole point of people on the hard wings of politics is that they represent a form of philosophical purity. The very thought of compromise is anathema to them. It’s why Peter Hitchens was once hard left and is now hard right. He fell out with his peers but wanted to keep the purity. I thought that was just part of growing up 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickyblueeyes Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 Just seeing the news and so I can be on the “right side” why is what is happening in the West Bank by illegal settlers not terrorism ? It’s horrendous what is happening to that side and govt funded too! How is our govt finding it acceptable ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 3 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said: Just seeing the news and so I can be on the “right side” why is what is happening in the West Bank by illegal settlers not terrorism ? It’s horrendous what is happening to that side and govt funded too! How is our govt finding it acceptable ? They aren’t ‘accepting’ it - they have stated many times that settlements are illegal (and murders by settlers obvs equally so). You could certainly see it as terrorism if you wanted to. But then acknowledging it would lend equivalence to what Hamas is doing which they’d want to avoid doing because it doesn’t stack up. it’s pretty nuts to move into an area in occupied territory surrounded by people that vehemently dislike you and then claim you had to kill them because you thought they were going to attack you (often without any evidence). A lot of the settlers are ‘religious nut jobs’. It’s happening because of netenyahu’s ridiculous coalition and him having to pander to parties that demand settlers rights etc. Netenyahu is fighting this war on too many fronts - some would say primarily to keep himself out of prison which potentially makes some of his decisions questionable. he’ll defend himself on the basis that he has a war cabinet across party lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickyblueeyes Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 4 hours ago, st albans fox said: They aren’t ‘accepting’ it - they have stated many times that settlements are illegal (and murders by settlers obvs equally so). You could certainly see it as terrorism if you wanted to. But then acknowledging it would lend equivalence to what Hamas is doing which they’d want to avoid doing because it doesn’t stack up. it’s pretty nuts to move into an area in occupied territory surrounded by people that vehemently dislike you and then claim you had to kill them because you thought they were going to attack you (often without any evidence). A lot of the settlers are ‘religious nut jobs’. It’s happening because of netenyahu’s ridiculous coalition and him having to pander to parties that demand settlers rights etc. Netenyahu is fighting this war on too many fronts - some would say primarily to keep himself out of prison which potentially makes some of his decisions questionable. he’ll defend himself on the basis that he has a war cabinet across party lines. It’s terrorism mate, I find it hard to find any other name for it. It’s murder, destruction and forced removal of Palestinians. Supported, in some cases by the IDF. Ben Givir a member of the Israeli Cabinet is handing out guns to these nut jobs - imagine a member of the Lebanese govt started handing guns out to Hezbollah - our govt would break off relations immediately. It’s crazy how there doesn’t seem to be a proper condemnation of a PM and his cabinet who are desperate to stay in power and engaging in these activities. Really poignant bit on the evil nature of the settlers on quite a few news channels today - which can only be a good thing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 9 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said: It’s terrorism mate, I find it hard to find any other name for it. It’s murder, destruction and forced removal of Palestinians. Supported, in some cases by the IDF. Ben Givir a member of the Israeli Cabinet is handing out guns to these nut jobs - imagine a member of the Lebanese govt started handing guns out to Hezbollah - our govt would break off relations immediately. It’s crazy how there doesn’t seem to be a proper condemnation of a PM and his cabinet who are desperate to stay in power and engaging in these activities. Really poignant bit on the evil nature of the settlers on quite a few news channels today - which can only be a good thing. There is a wide range of West Bank settlers - some are very religious who are non violent - others are quite clearly quite happy to just shoot first and not bother to ask any questions do you know how many Palestinians have been shot dead by settlers over the last month in the west bank ?? btw, Lebanon wouldn’t be handing out guns to hezbollah - Hezbollah are way better armed than the Lebanese army ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said: Just seeing the news and so I can be on the “right side” why is what is happening in the West Bank by illegal settlers not terrorism ? It’s horrendous what is happening to that side and govt funded too! How is our govt finding it acceptable ? Why are these people referred to as settlers, not land thieves, thugs and terrorists? Edited 3 November 2023 by WigstonWanderer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 4 hours ago, st albans fox said: It’s incredible isn’t it the tories were the similar in the 2000/2007 period where they’re persistently chose leaders who were effectively unelectable it’s not difficult- if you aren’t in govt then you can’t enact the policies that you believe in. corbyn could have made it into power if he’d ditched his principles for a couple of years …. Impossible - he still has the same principles he had when he was 14 years old and he won’t ever change his views. He’s never learnt a thing about the world he inhabits. Kinnock said a few years ago that before becoming leader Corbyn had spent 30 years as a backbencher only ever speaking to people who already agreed with him. He’s not a politician - he’s an activist. He prefers being seen protesting rather than actually being in a position to do something. Righteousness over effectiveness, every time. 4 hours ago, Dunge said: He thought he had. He said he’d renew Trident. The whole point of people on the hard wings of politics is that they represent a form of philosophical purity. The very thought of compromise is anathema to them. True about the hard left - but the difference difference between the hard right and the hard left is in the way they behave. The Tory hard right lurked in the background, biding their time patiently to seize control of their party at the right moment. The hard left did none of that; all joined Labour in 2015 to push for Corbyn as leader, spent that 5 years not listening to a single person, poll or protestation, then blamed absolutely everyone else when it inevitably all went wrong. Like Corbyn, they haven’t learned a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 Isn’t the West Bank stuff more ethnic cleansing than terrorism. The goal of the settlers is to remove Palestinians from the West Bank and of course unlike Gaza there is no militant/terror group to protect them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 5 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said: Just seeing the news and so I can be on the “right side” why is what is happening in the West Bank by illegal settlers not terrorism ? It’s horrendous what is happening to that side and govt funded too! How is our govt finding it acceptable ? I much preferred it when terrorists were far more easily identifiable…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickyblueeyes Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: There is a wide range of West Bank settlers - some are very religious who are non violent - others are quite clearly quite happy to just shoot first and not bother to ask any questions do you know how many Palestinians have been shot dead by settlers over the last month in the west bank ?? btw, Lebanon wouldn’t be handing out guns to hezbollah - Hezbollah are way better armed than the Lebanese army ! Just like the difference between Hamas and every day Palestinians ? Do we not call Hamas terrorist now because there may well be wide ranging opinions, methods in Gaza and/or the West Bank. I’m referring to the actions of the nut jobs. Though the ones who are ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING and taking land/possessions, property are hardly angels. Not clue how many, the fact it’s happening is the issue. The actions are that of terrorists. There isn’t a kill count to determine if actions are terrorist like. We as country should be far more critical with regards to it. And doing more than just calling their occupation illegal. Like I said a cabinet minister in a Govt we class as a “friend” is handing out guns - it just doesn’t sit right with me. Noted on Hezbollah - it was an example of how perverse the whole set up is. by the way @st albans fox this isn’t me arguing with you. Literally just sounding out on what I’ve seen today that doesn’t sit right. Edited 3 November 2023 by Mickyblueeyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 So Hezbollah leader officially on record as praising the Hamas attacks on Israel. looks like they will be in another war with Israel soon then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxesDeb Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 http://BBC News - Gaza reporter removes protective vest after learning of colleague's death on air https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67314396 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 3 hours ago, FoxesDeb said: http://BBC News - Gaza reporter removes protective vest after learning of colleague's death on air https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67314396 So powerful. So desperately sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 3 November 2023 Share Posted 3 November 2023 And yet prisons issue tents to inmates on release because of the lack of housing options. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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