Will1981 Posted 25 July Share Posted 25 July If the guy the copper kicked and stamped on did assault a police officer and broke her nose he should be charged and jailed The copper who kicked and stamped on a detained suspect should be charged with attempted murder and jailed. The other copper who pepper sprayed a non violent person should lose his job. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 25 July Share Posted 25 July If a poster kept quoting himself in a discussion with others… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 25 July Share Posted 25 July 2 minutes ago, StanSP said: If a firefighter, in a very high pressured situation, aims his hose at the wrong building ie the one not on fire, then he'll be rightly criticised. This is actually the plot of the porno I'm currently shooting. We don't like to deal in real world politics but sometimes adult films and reality coincide. Unlike reality, in our story there'll be a happy ending. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson Posted 25 July Share Posted 25 July 1 minute ago, Will1981 said: The copper who kicked and stamped on a detained suspect should be charged with attempted murder and jailed. The other copper who pepper sprayed a non violent person should lose his job. They’re the same copper I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Free Falling Foxes Posted 25 July Popular Post Share Posted 25 July 5 minutes ago, StanSP said: If a firefighter, in a very high pressured situation, aims his hose at the wrong building ie the one not on fire, then he'll be rightly criticised. 3 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: That would be extremely sloppy work Right lads, it looks like we made a bit of a cock-up last night. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 25 July Share Posted 25 July 59 minutes ago, westernpark said: If Andy Burnham says there is more to the initial video, then I’d recommend people wait before overall judgement. I hope we agree that the police have a very difficult job that most of us would not want to do 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnfox Posted 25 July Share Posted 25 July The officers responded to an incident that had become totally out of control. They would be hearing their colleagues requesting urgent assistance because they had become victims of a very violent situation where they had obviously become the target of the aggression, leaving three officers hospitalised. When the officers turn up, they will have been faced with utter chaos and been on a heightened state of alert, rightly thinking they are heading into a very dangerous situation. On arrival their training would have told them to take control of the situation. That initial attendance is not the time to try and instigate a calm investigation as to who's done what. Take control and then figure it out. The level of force used I would think is largely fine. When officers in that situation, with tasers and spray drawn, start shouting instructions at you to get back or get on the floor, don't expect to be listened to at that time and don't expect them to be happy for them to wait for you to follow their instruction at your own pace. Members of the group in question have clearly shown a propensity to use pretty extreme violence against police officers. Officers are not trained to stand around and wait to be assaulted before acting. The kick to the head looks terrible and that's the bit that will need a full explanation, but the lad on the floor clearly turns towards the officer and says something just before the kick. Who knows what it was? The lad wasn't exactly restrained either, the only person with hands on him was the lady kneeling next to him (a family member?). There'll now be a massive investigation into what happened. To all those who way he isn't fit to carry firearms, I'm pretty sure he will have had to go through a pretty rigorous application and training process to be allowed to carry a gun, it isn't like they just give every officer a gun on day one out of training school. He would have demonstrated the right characteristics in his career until this incident, he might have had a distinguished career. The last thing any police force want is to give live firearms to an officer who runs the risk of shooting someone who didn't need to be shot. It's now for the officer to explain his actions to the investigation when put in context of the actual facts of the case. Either he'll be justified in his actions or the red mist descended and he made an error of judgement. If that's the case, I suspect the outcome for the officer will be worse than the scumbag that broke the officer's nose in the first place. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnfox Posted 25 July Share Posted 25 July 15 minutes ago, Sampson said: They’re the same copper I believe Difficult to say, if the spray came after the kick, then he's had time to put his glasses (I think) and hat back on. If it came before then that would add weight to the intensity of the situation leading up to the kick. I think the spray came later though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 25 July Share Posted 25 July I've witnessed somebody get kicked in the head and stamped on and for me it goes beyond wanting to hurt someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox_up_north Posted 25 July Share Posted 25 July No, no, it's the women who haven't had children who are the problem. I read an interesting point that the perfect example of the women that awful bloke described just so happens to be one Taylor Swift - mid 30s, no children, has cats instead. If I were running for VP, I really wouldn't attack a woman who is basically Miss America. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmt Posted 26 July Share Posted 26 July 1 hour ago, Foxdiamond said: I hope we agree that the police have a very difficult job that most of us would not want to do Nah sorry that's absolute bullshit. I love the police but the second one of them tries to stamp on someone's head they're a **** 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmt Posted 26 July Share Posted 26 July 2 hours ago, StanSP said: YOU DO HIS JOB THEN!!! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmt Posted 26 July Share Posted 26 July 3 hours ago, westernpark said: If Andy Burnham says there is more to the initial video, then I’d recommend people wait before overall judgement. How does it matter? Stamp on someone's head yh? Cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmt Posted 26 July Share Posted 26 July 1 hour ago, foxfanazer said: I've witnessed somebody get kicked in the head and stamped on and for me it goes beyond wanting to hurt someone The officer will get off with it. 18 months suspended sentence. For me should get done for attempted murder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 26 July Share Posted 26 July 5 hours ago, Nalis said: What did the accused do in the first place? Media has been very silent on this. No excuse for the police officer using excess force. The story I seen was his missus had to be searched and he was like iTz AgAiNsT mY rElIgIon and it kicked off basically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Shire Fox Posted 26 July Share Posted 26 July 5 hours ago, bmt said: The officer will get off with it. 18 months suspended sentence. For me should get done for attempted murder Attempted murder 😂. Its GBH at worst 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torquay Gunner Posted 26 July Share Posted 26 July 5 hours ago, MPH said: You just can’t give people an opportunity these days. Especially in world politics 18-24 were the best ( and stupidest )yers of my life! I see those opinion polls are narrowing now. Republicans continuing to use their racist dog whistle of choice DEI, will just pee off many independents. I suspect that rhetoric will ramp up in the coming weeks, as they just can’t help themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted 26 July Share Posted 26 July 5 hours ago, bmt said: The officer will get off with it. 18 months suspended sentence. For me should get done for attempted murder FFS- you'll see worse every Friday night at your local wetherspoons come 11pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samilktray Posted 26 July Share Posted 26 July 1 minute ago, Raj said: FFS- you'll see worse every Friday night at your local wetherspoons come 11pm You won’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 26 July Share Posted 26 July 8 hours ago, Will1981 said: If the guy the copper kicked and stamped on did assault a police officer and broke her nose he should be charged and jailed The copper who kicked and stamped on a detained suspect should be charged with attempted murder and jailed. The other copper who pepper sprayed a non violent person should lose his job. I think you are charged and then tried before being possibly jailed if the jury agree you’re guilty and the judge believes a prison sentence is applicable ! btw, I’m not vexed with pepper spray if an officer believes it’s necessary to protect themselves and the public. they have to justify that to their superiors afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mickyblueeyes Posted 26 July Popular Post Share Posted 26 July 2 minutes ago, st albans fox said: I think you are charged and then tried before being possibly jailed if the jury agree you’re guilty and the judge believes a prison sentence is applicable ! btw, I’m not vexed with pepper spray if an officer believes it’s necessary to protect themselves and the public. they have to justify that to their superiors afterwards. Yeah, I’m with you on that. The tasers and the pepper spray perfectly legitimate to control a hostile situation. Even if it’s to disorientate the suspect to make the arrest - that’s legitimate policing. Anyone who thinks it’s perfectly normal to stamp on someone’s head, regardless of things that came before is ****ing stupid. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 26 July Share Posted 26 July Just now, Mickyblueeyes said: Anyone who thinks it’s perfectly normal to stamp on someone’s head, regardless of things that came before is ****ing stupid. At this rate, we're gonna have a lot of new police officers signing up soon, myself included. You do his job!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 26 July Share Posted 26 July (edited) Its an awful act but there needs to be a reality check on a proportionate punishment. Saying it's attempted murder just ridicules the whole argument. Edited 26 July by Nalis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 26 July Share Posted 26 July 2 minutes ago, Nalis said: Its an awful act but there needs to be a reality check on a proportionate punishment. Saying it's attempted murder just ridicules the whole argument. Yeah it is a bit strong to be calling it that but you're really rolling the dice on what damage you're doing to someone when stamping on their head 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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