Also In The News - part 3

[ramboacdc]

2 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Who's done this, then?

https://news.sky.com/story/paris-olympics-french-rail-network-disrupted-by-vandals-as-athletes-and-world-leaders-gather-ahead-of-opening-ceremony-13184945

 

2 hours ago, Dunge said:

- Disruption rather than outright terrorism

- Coordinated

- Nobody claiming responsibility

 

- Feels like Russia to me.

A protest that disrupts anything in France will be the French. They had a site figuring out the flow of the Sienne and what time to take a dump so your poop reached Paris at the same time an MP was doing a PR event of them swimming in the river and riots at the drop of a hat, it's 100% the French. 

 

It's a case of hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebra's in this case. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

I wonder what the govt legal advice says to have Labour change the approach of the tories. Quite a move.

[MPH]

16 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

I wonder what the govt legal advice says to have Labour change the approach of the tories. Quite a move.

 

Either that or it was a public show of support at the time and now the dust has settled a little bit they are attempting to quietly withdraw the challenge..

[The Guvnor]

14 hours ago, nnfox said:

The officers responded to an incident that had become totally out of control.  They would be hearing their colleagues requesting urgent assistance because they had become victims of a very violent situation where they had obviously become the target of the aggression, leaving three officers hospitalised.  When the officers turn up, they will have been faced with utter chaos and been on a heightened state of alert, rightly thinking they are heading into a very dangerous situation.  On arrival their training would have told them to take control of the situation.  That initial attendance is not the time to try and instigate a calm investigation as to who's done what.  Take control and then figure it out.  The level of force used I would think is largely fine.  When officers in that situation, with tasers and spray drawn, start shouting instructions at you to get back or get on the floor, don't expect to be listened to at that time and don't expect them to be happy for them to wait for you to follow their instruction at your own pace.  Members of the group in question have clearly shown a propensity to use pretty extreme violence against police officers.  Officers are not trained to stand around and wait to be assaulted before acting.

 

The kick to the head looks terrible and that's the bit that will need a full explanation, but the lad on the floor clearly turns towards the officer and says something just before the kick.  Who knows what it was?  The lad wasn't exactly restrained either, the only person with hands on him was the lady kneeling next to him (a family member?).

 

There'll now be a massive investigation into what happened.  To all those who way he isn't fit to carry firearms, I'm pretty sure he will have had to go through a pretty rigorous application and training process to be allowed to carry a gun, it isn't like they just give every officer a gun on day one out of training school.  He would have demonstrated the right characteristics in his career until this incident, he might have had a distinguished career.  The last thing any police force want is to give live firearms to an officer who runs the risk of shooting someone who didn't need to be shot.  

 

It's now for the officer to explain his actions to the investigation when put in context of the actual facts of the case.  Either he'll be justified in his actions or the red mist descended and he made an error of judgement.  If that's the case, I suspect the outcome for the officer will be worse than the scumbag that broke the officer's nose in the first place.

 

Absolutely agree with the sentiment of this post. 
I don’t know the sequence of events from the first response team but I’m assuming at least one of the first responders would have carried a taser and almost certainly PAVA spray.

If the assailant was kicking off, acting in an extremely violent manner,  threatening behaviour and non compliant then options if necessary PAVA and taser, then cuffs on ,hands behind his back and leg restraints if available. This would then have controlled the situation and no one would have had their nose broken.

I think sometimes the Police are maybe too passive when trying to deal with overtly aggressive and dangerous situations, they have the tools to deal with most situations safely and they all wear body cams now so should be confident with their actions.

[Dunge]

1 hour ago, ramboacdc said:

 

A protest that disrupts anything in France will be the French. They had a site figuring out the flow of the Sienne and what time to take a dump so your poop reached Paris at the same time an MP was doing a PR event of them swimming in the river and riots at the drop of a hat, it's 100% the French. 

 

It's a case of hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebra's in this case. 

I fully believe a French group with a grudge could and would do it. What I’m struggling with in that case is the lack of a declaration of accountability from such groups. We’re talking planning, organising and coordinating an action here that nobody knows you’ve done and would make you greatly unpopular if they did.

 

Maybe someone will say it’s them in the hours to come. I wouldn’t rule out brainless stupidity when it comes to the far left or far right.

[Torquay Gunner]

3 hours ago, MPH said:

 

let’s hope Kamala doesn’t do any major gaffs or embarrass herself. She has a history of being in law  enforcement  so  I know that’s one area the Maga crazies are hoping to exploit - and one establishment that is in the spotlight at the moment

 

for the most part,   No republican mud slinging seems to be working. Yet. But it’s way too early to know what they have to sling at her..

she still doesn’t have the official democratic nomination, of course..

She is not going to have clean hands, as far as being a prosecutor is concerned.  Since the US justice system is fatally flawed and serious miscarriages of justice are commonplace, anyone working within that system for any length of time is going to be tainted in some way.  However, she is running against Trump and who could more tainted than him right!  She has the ammunition, just hope she has the ability to really go after him. 

[ClaphamFox]

On 25/07/2024 at 14:18, urban.spaceman said:

 

Humiliation kink confirmed. 
 

 

https://x.com/ExcelPope/status/1816812741463617949

[MPH]

1 hour ago, Torquay Gunner said:

She is not going to have clean hands, as far as being a prosecutor is concerned.  Since the US justice system is fatally flawed and serious miscarriages of justice are commonplace, anyone working within that system for any length of time is going to be tainted in some way.  However, she is running against Trump and who could more tainted than him right!  She has the ammunition, just hope she has the ability to really go after him. 

 

 

the only problem I see, is that they have flung everything they can at Trump, I don’t know what else they can do to bring him down…. Kamala, I don’t think they  even truly started yet.. not that they would have anything near as sever of course..

[bovril]

8 hours ago, StanSP said:

Shite like this actually demeans the (valid) criticism of the individual police officer's actions. They think they're helping, but they're not. 

he doesn't think he's helping...

[Daggers]

It's how we roll in K-town 

 

"Owner Marcus Fielding arrived on the scene at about 9.30pm. He was wearing only one walking boot and said he had spent the evening at a local pub"

 

Major fire response as blaze hits condemned Kettering building

 

 

[FoxyPV]

[DJ Barry Hammond]

17 hours ago, MPH said:

 

 

the only problem I see, is that they have flung everything they can at Trump, I don’t know what else they can do to bring him down…. Kamala, I don’t think they  even truly started yet.. not that they would have anything near as sever of course..

I think you underestimate the ability of Trump being Trump.

 

Plus there’s his VP pick Vance, that appears to have been a huge gift to the Dem’s.

 

Mean, I have no idea how the ‘having sex with sofa’s’ meme has come about, but that is everywhere - and then to go the ‘people without children route’ - that’s not clever in a society where women are having children later in life.

Edited 27 July by DJ Barry Hammond

[Lionator]

On 26/07/2024 at 10:16, Dunge said:

- Disruption rather than outright terrorism

- Coordinated

- Nobody claiming responsibility

 

- Feels like Russia to me.

Looking more like it was some far left people affiliated to the rail unions as they said they would’ve required specialist knowledge to do what they did 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, FoxyPV said:

That reveals the politics of UK FCP more than it does anything else - can we post anything we like on here without any kind of check on its veracity?? 

No one is a war criminal as yet as no warrants have even been issued - against Israelis or Palestinians.   There has been a request to the court by ICJ prosecutors asking that warrants be issued.  At this time I’ve no idea how long that case will take to be heard. The submission by the U.K. has been withdrawn. There are submissions from other countries being considered in addition to the legalities of the requests.

So if sinwar rocked up at Gatwick then he’d be allowed to go about his business (unless there is an existing warrant for him relating to Hamas being a prescribed terror org). 

 

 

Edited 27 July by st albans fox

[Lionator]

The photo of Starmer in his coat while the other leaders are cowering in poncho’s goes so hard. We are so back as a country. 

Edited 27 July by Lionator

[Mickyblueeyes]

 

Next steps:

 

1. IDF investigate.

2. Hamas run health authority, time to fact check.

3. A precision target and Hamas operatives killed.

4. Nethanyahu declares not one civilian killed (loud cheers heard from US congress).

5. Oh, yeah, few people died, sorry about that. Won’t happen again.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

 

Next steps:

 

1. IDF investigate.

2. Hamas run health authority, time to fact check.

3. A precision target and Hamas operatives killed.

4. Nethanyahu declares not one civilian killed (loud cheers heard from US congress).

5. Oh, yeah, few people died, sorry about that. Won’t happen again.

Does anyone ever ask why Hamas fighters are staying in (and sometimes fighting from) UNWRA schools ?   (And how many of the 30 killed - if we accept that number  - are Hamas fighters)?  
 

It was inevitable from the 8 October that Israel would not care much for taking the maximum number of civilian casualties allowed under international law to take out a single Hamas fighter.  It seems likely that they will argue that secondary explosions from Hamas weaponry on site (which has often been the cause of many additional civilian deaths)  is not their responsibility.  I think this argument will form the crux of their defence at the ICJ.   I think that argument will be dismissed. 

[urban.spaceman]

This has angered all the right people.

 

 

[Jattdogg]

13 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

This has angered all the right people.

 

 

Bunch of plastics

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Does anyone ever ask why Hamas fighters are staying in (and sometimes fighting from) UNWRA schools ?   (And how many of the 30 killed - if we accept that number  - are Hamas fighters)?  
 

It was inevitable from the 8 October that Israel would not care much for taking the maximum number of civilian casualties allowed under international law to take out a single Hamas fighter.  It seems likely that they will argue that secondary explosions from Hamas weaponry on site (which has often been the cause of many additional civilian deaths)  is not their responsibility.  I think this argument will form the crux of their defence at the ICJ.   I think that argument will be dismissed. 

Hamas are a terrorist group. Each time something like this happens, and by an ally who we fund, the level of scrutiny is (rightly so) significantly higher. That’s just basic and common sense. I don’t know why that isn’t simple ? 

[Lionator]

26 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

This has angered all the right people.

 

 

It’s for all of us slightly autistic middle aged men who always take an extra layer of clothes to the footy with them, just in case. Badass. 

Edited 27 July by Lionator

[st albans fox]

49 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Hamas are a terrorist group. Each time something like this happens, and by an ally who we fund, the level of scrutiny is (rightly so) significantly higher. That’s just basic and common sense. I don’t know why that isn’t simple ? 

You recognise this 

many people don’t subscribe to this viewpoint 

until the ICJ delivers its verdict, we don’t actually know if the Israeli defence of acting within international law has been denied.  (And the Israelis will argue that the court is biased if it is.). What we don’t know is how much military evidence Israel Is able to provide without compromising itself. 
 

by the way - how much funding do we give the Israeli govt ???

[Zear0]

59 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

This has angered all the right people.

 

 

What's he doing to the guy on his left..?

[urban.spaceman]

3 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

What's he doing to the guy on his left..?

Suspending him for voting against the King's Speech on which he was elected?

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

You recognise this 

many people don’t subscribe to this viewpoint 

until the ICJ delivers its verdict, we don’t actually know if the Israeli defence of acting within international law has been denied.  (And the Israelis will argue that the court is biased if it is.). What we don’t know is how much military evidence Israel Is able to provide without compromising itself. 
 

by the way - how much funding do we give the Israeli govt ???

And this is the thing isn’t it. Acknowledging that Hamas fall within the definition of a terrorist group is not, in any way a mark on supporting and understanding  the plight of the Palestinians. Whether that be Gaza or the West Bank. 
 

In turn, recognising that the current Israeli govt is a far right brutal regime, who have carried out medical experiments on its own people, undertaken torture, broken parts of international law and funds and encourages terrorist actions of settlers, is not a mark and it shouldn’t be misconstrued as a attack on the people of Israel (many of whom would not defend this govt). in the same way you’d question the figures coming out of Hamas, you’d also should question anything coming from the regime. For obvious reasons.

 

The Huff post article on UK/Israel funding earlier in the year gave a good summary. I know the argument bUt ThE FuNdInG isn’t as big as the US and in comparison to others - the point is we do offer some support and that increases scrutiny full stop.