Also In The News - part 3

[Sampson]

Thought this was AI, but CNN suggests it is real.

 

 

[StanSP]

7 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

A bit more serious than a so called good scrap when  officers guns could have been taken. Bottom line is that all the evidence should be gathered. Let us wait for due process.

Agree to wait for due process and hopefully the right decisions are made. 

 

Lengthy sentence for assaulting emergency workers for at least two offenders. 

 

Some kind of punishment for the excessive force used by the officer. 

 

And of course a healthy recovery for any officers injured. 

[westernpark]

1 minute ago, Sampson said:

Thought this was AI, but CNN suggests it is real.

 

 

He’s a wannabe autocrat, this shouldn’t be a surprise.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

10 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

An alleged altercation between passengers from Qatar Airways flight QR023, which arrived at 19:20 BST, which occurred either during the flight or in the T2 baggage hall

 

A "violent disturbance" involving members of the public in T2 Starbucks at approximately 20:22

 

The alleged assault of three police officers which occurred in the T2 car park pay point area at 20:28 and resulted in the officers receiving head injuries, including a broken nose

So there’s more CCTV to come then! 

[Raj]

11 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

An alleged altercation between passengers from Qatar Airways flight QR023, which arrived at 19:20 BST, which occurred either during the flight or in the T2 baggage hall

 

A "violent disturbance" involving members of the public in T2 Starbucks at approximately 20:22

 

The alleged assault of three police officers which occurred in the T2 car park pay point area at 20:28 and resulted in the officers receiving head injuries, including a broken nose

Slowly the REAL news of this incident will emerge.

[Guest MarshallForEngland]

13 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Thought this was AI, but CNN suggests it is real.

 

 

In your view, what did he mean by this? 

[Spiritwalker]

4 minutes ago, MarshallForEngland said:

In your view, what did he mean by this? 

This could be interpreted in few different ways one of them involves having the 

same democratic process as the country you reside in.

[Lionator]

18 minutes ago, MarshallForEngland said:

In your view, what did he mean by this? 

Its about voter fraud I believe but its been manipulated to make it look like he’s going to declare himself King forever

[FoxyPV]

18 minutes ago, MarshallForEngland said:

In your view, what did he mean by this? 

That they will enact project 2025 and start the process of creating an extremist Christian ethnostate.

 

They aren't hiding anything 

[Fox in the North]

22 minutes ago, MarshallForEngland said:

In your view, what did he mean by this? 

You need to read up on Project 2025. 

[Lionator]

2 hours ago, StanSP said:

 

Where have they been made out to be sweet or innocent? 

 

It doesn't change mine. He deserved to be arrested and there was no way he should be assaulting one police officer, let alone 3. He's an absolute tit for doing what he did. 

 

It still doesn't change my view that he shouldn't be kicked or stamped in the head, after being tasered. 

 

The Taser did enough damage for him to be arrested. 

 

People might like the act of revenge for punching a police officer. But a police officer and colleague should be thinking cleared than to kick/stamp when the risk has been mitigated. 

 

I still maintain that if the offender was up and actually looked threatening (and not seized up after being tasered) then I'd have a different view. But he was no threat at the time of the kick and stamp. 

There’s been a considered attempt from their lawyer Mr. Yakoob and local community members that these guys were innocent bystanders when the evidence is clearly not. There’s also been lots of accusations that the actions of the police officer were racially motivated, it doesn’t seem like that’s the case. 

[Unabomber]

Just saw the Manchester video not surprised the cop did what he did after seeing the whole thing! 

[Spiritwalker]

2 hours ago, Unabomber said:

Just saw the Manchester video not surprised the cop did what he did after seeing the whole thing! 

While I’m not condoning his actions this video does show mitigating circumstances,

at one point the offending officer is the last man standing.He should however face disciplinary 

action and also be investigated for any potential criminal conduct. 

I really hope these nasty fckers and their solicitor are not paid a penny of tax payers money.

 

 

Edited 27 July by Spiritwalker

[The Horse's Mouth]

Anyone still blaming the officer after the full context is a nutter, is it true the men who instigated it got released like the next day?

[Trav Le Bleu]

Much as people might like the idea that law enforcement is like Hollywood movies, it ain't.

 

Officers of the law have to be better than those who break it. Unlike Judge Dredd, they are not the law.

 

If this was a football game that this happened in, everyone involved on both sides would have their careers finished and people would be especially appalled by the final assault.

[bmt]

To be fair he's done well to knock three officers out in quick succession

[MPH]

4 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Anyone still blaming the officer after the full context is a nutter, is it true the men who instigated it got released like the next day?

 

im not sure what you mean by ‘ blaming the officer’, but I still think his actions were highly inappropriate for a police officer.

[adejo92]

6 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Anyone still blaming the officer after the full context is a nutter, is it true the men who instigated it got released like the next day?

Yes.

[st albans fox]

6 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Anyone still blaming the officer after the full context is a nutter, is it true the men who instigated it got released like the next day?

 

19 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

Yes.

On bail 

[Mickyblueeyes]

The video surely doesn’t change anything. The two individuals need to be arrested and convicted. It was obvious they were scumbags before this second video was released.

 

The officer lost his cool, regardless of circumstances and kicked and stamped on someone. The second video shows why but doesn’t justify it. It might make it more understandable but certainly not acceptable. If any one of us went out yesterday, got into a fight and kicked someone in the head, we couldn’t use the defence of: “they started it”. It’s worse still because after a mad fracas they’d just about got the two under control. 
 

The third thing which a third video might show is the treatment of the fella in red. He is manhandled and searched forcefully in a third video - it be interesting to see how that came about. 

[Lionator]

6 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Anyone still blaming the officer after the full context is a nutter, is it true the men who instigated it got released like the next day?

I don’t want my armed officers acting on emotion like that, it seems incredibly dangerous. And ultimately both parties are in the wrong, nobody has to pick a side. 

[st albans fox]

Couple of things about the video

i was under the impression that the office who came in and kicked the fella was back up called in after the other officers were attacked. That he basically stormed into the area and his first action was to kick the guy prone on the floor. Apparently this video shows him to be involved in the entire fight.  He is therefore in a state of extreme stress having been violently attacked with his colleagues - if he’s knocked out then his gun is at risk. 
 

so his action would be more understandable BUT the fella is tasered and prone on the floor - he has to take account of  that. He’s an armed officer. Hence he should be trained to deal with this type of high stress situation - imagine if he  had his gun drawn ?  Then he would be deciding whether to shoot this person - I’m not convinced that if he that were the case then this guy would more than likely have been shot dead whilst in a prone position on the floor. 
 

the video does ensure that two of these arseholes will be spending a few years behind bars - so at least some good will come out of this. 

[st albans fox]

Btw, will be a triumph of American diplomacy if we get to next weekend without a full scale war having broken out between Hezbollah and Israel after yesterday’s events 

[nnfox]

7 minutes ago, Lionator said:

I don’t want my armed officers acting on emotion like that, it seems incredibly dangerous. And ultimately both parties are in the wrong, nobody has to pick a side. 

The officer isn't Robocop, he's human and just been seriously assaulted by two individuals seconds before.  He won't know that the situation is under control, he doesn't know how many of his colleagues are left standing to assist, he doesn't know if he's about to be further attacked by anyone and in a violent situation like that, and who's to say that he doesn't believe there's a risk that his live firearm won't be taken from him?  These are all factors that inform his decision making.  Add to that he has both hands on a taser and the older woman has hands on the offender, he's probably actually showing control by not deploying the taser because she'd likely get it too! Split seconds count, he can't let that guy get back up off the floor.

 

We now enter a period where that split second decision made in the heat of the moment will be scrutinised for the next 6-9 months by people that weren't there.

 

[Lionator]

27 minutes ago, nnfox said:

The officer isn't Robocop, he's human and just been seriously assaulted by two individuals seconds before.  He won't know that the situation is under control, he doesn't know how many of his colleagues are left standing to assist, he doesn't know if he's about to be further attacked by anyone and in a violent situation like that, and who's to say that he doesn't believe there's a risk that his live firearm won't be taken from him?  These are all factors that inform his decision making.  Add to that he has both hands on a taser and the older woman has hands on the offender, he's probably actually showing control by not deploying the taser because she'd likely get it too! Split seconds count, he can't let that guy get back up off the floor.

 

We now enter a period where that split second decision made in the heat of the moment will be scrutinised for the next 6-9 months by people that weren't there.

 

I am sympathetic to what happened but you just can’t go acting on emotion like that. He could’ve flopped on him, deadweights on him, he could’ve kicked him in the shoulder, the criminal was already subdued by that point. Armed officers are specifically trained not to do that. I think it might give him some mitigation on a legal basis but he shouldn’t be working in the police again.