Also In The News - part 3

[worth_the_wait]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

According to the CPS website, "making indecent images can have a wide definition in the law and can include opening an email attachment containing such an image, downloading one from a website, or receiving one via social media, even if unsolicited and even if part of a group.”

It is always worth remembering that legal terms don't always match our daily use of the same terms.  

 

An obvious example is the use of the terms "mad" vs "bad".   But there are many others.

[Lionator]

7 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

You’re talking a few thousands in a pool of net migration over a period being a 5 mill increase. Vast majority of them come over to take advantage of the wellfare state 

Can you provide evidence to support that as that really isn’t the case?

[Lionator]

I see the USA is going full imperial mode over Maduro. Then they wonder why dictator’s get so paranoid about Americans 🤣🤣

[Daggers]

9 hours ago, StanSP said:

Quite... 

 

 

 

Siri, show me an repugnant example of white privilege.

[Voll Blau]

9 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

Not far off deleting X tonight. Perfect example of leaving it unmoderated to then harvest an acceptance of racism, untruths and conspiracies. 
 

Utter trash 

A few on this thread ought to be ashamed of themselves too. They should try sparing a thought for the victims instead of instantly turning their deaths into a political football.

[ajthefox]

2 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

According to the CPS website, "making indecent images can have a wide definition in the law and can include opening an email attachment containing such an image, downloading one from a website, or receiving one via social media, even if unsolicited and even if part of a group.”

Seems an odd definition, specifically the unsolicited part. 

 

Edwards has "made" a number of images, so in theory this could just be opening images of child pornography sent to you unsolicited? 

 

I suppose the word made is just open enough to be able to apply it to various circumstances where indecent images are being stored and there is some participatory element in being issued with these images. 

[Daggers]

I wonder what it's like to have your life dictated by hate from the moment you make your eggs and toast to the moment you neck a Horlicks.

[Mickyblueeyes]

The Southport tragedy really has had an impact on me as I’m sure it’s had an impact on everyone else.Woken up this morning with a sick feeling. As a father, my kids go to holiday camps and this is unthinkable. Can’t imagine what the parents are going through. 
 

 

[ClaphamFox]

Missing six-year-old girl in London. Deeply worrying. Last seen around midday but not reported missing until 10.45pm….

 

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/urgent-search-under-way-for-missing-six-year-old-girl-in-southeast-london-13187168

[fox_up_north]

28 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

Seems an odd definition, specifically the unsolicited part. 

 

Edwards has "made" a number of images, so in theory this could just be opening images of child pornography sent to you unsolicited? 

 

I suppose the word made is just open enough to be able to apply it to various circumstances where indecent images are being stored and there is some participatory element in being issued with these images. 

This is what makes it such a ridiculously delicate case, as I previously noted. The law really needs tightening up and clarifying, here. 

[bovril]

5 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

You can't tell me someone who would do this is anything other than mentally ill.  This is where we need to spend money. 

Probably my most reactionary belief is that some people are just irredeemably evil. 

[Tommy G]

20 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

The Southport tragedy really has had an impact on me as I’m sure it’s had an impact on everyone else.Woken up this morning with a sick feeling. As a father, my kids go to holiday camps and this is unthinkable. Can’t imagine what the parents are going through. 
 

 

Same, dropped mine off at holiday club this morning on the way to work - parents in southport doing the same thing yesterday. Horrific 

[Tommy G]

21 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Missing six-year-old girl in London. Deeply worrying. Last seen around midday but not reported missing until 10.45pm….

 

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/urgent-search-under-way-for-missing-six-year-old-girl-in-southeast-london-13187168

Why on earth is a 6 year old girl wandering around outside on an estate on her own at midday. Where are the parents?!

[Raj]

There are some fecked up people in this world to attach kids.

I'm sure the old "diminished responsibility"  will be stated for the offender

[Paninistickers]

31 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

The Southport tragedy really has had an impact on me as I’m sure it’s had an impact on everyone else.Woken up this morning with a sick feeling. As a father, my kids go to holiday camps and this is unthinkable. Can’t imagine what the parents are going through. 
 

 

Very rare a story upsets me. Most stories seem too distant, too remote. 

 

But this event and the John Hunt story a couple of weeks ago are both cut very deep. 

 

So unbelievably painful for the families 

[Lionator]

 

Are people like this being serious or trolls? 

[RumbleFox]

10 hours ago, StanSP said:

Quite... 

 

 

 

Jesus Christ. The world is so fvcked. Abhorrent. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

Why the hell is there a convicted child rapist competing in the olympics in the first place!

[Tommy G]

28 minutes ago, Lionator said:

 

Are people like this being serious or trolls? 

Troll. 

 

Labour haven't broken anything. I don't agree with some of what RR did yesterday and I think it will of surprised a few Lab voters, it's not going to break anything though - I'd like to see Keir Starmer or Angela Rayner up in Southport today - I don't care if they can't do much, but this is something that hasn't happened in a long time and soundbites from Westminster won't cut it. 

Edited 30 July by Tommy G

[FoyleFox]

4 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

According to the CPS website, "making indecent images can have a wide definition in the law and can include opening an email attachment containing such an image, downloading one from a website, or receiving one via social media, even if unsolicited and even if part of a group.”

 

54 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

Seems an odd definition, specifically the unsolicited part. 

 

Edwards has "made" a number of images, so in theory this could just be opening images of child pornography sent to you unsolicited? 

 

I suppose the word made is just open enough to be able to apply it to various circumstances where indecent images are being stored and there is some participatory element in being issued with these images. 

Opening an email attachment or message,WhatsApp for example, creates an image file on your device, you've therefore, by the letter of the law, made an image. Solicited or unsolicited.

 

I was also reminded when reading about this yesterday, that the legal definition regarding child pornography/indecent images, is 18. A person could legally have a physical relationship with someone aged 17 but if they sent you a naked/semi clothed photo of themselves, you're making an indecent image of a child. 

 

Which all seems a lot less disgusting than something involving a young child, which is what most of us would naturally assume when indecent images of children is mentioned. 

 

I'm not condoning what Edwards alleged offence is as one assumes the police / CPS haven't the resources to prosecute someone for the odd picture if, you're say 20 and in a relationship with someone who's 17. There's obviously more to it in the Edwards case and It's especially creepy given his age and position.  

 

[Tuna]

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

 

Are people like this being serious or trolls? 

Engagement baiting troll

[Daggers]

2 hours ago, ajthefox said:

Seems an odd definition, specifically the unsolicited part. 

 

Edwards has "made" a number of images, so in theory this could just be opening images of child pornography sent to you unsolicited? 

 

I suppose the word made is just open enough to be able to apply it to various circumstances where indecent images are being stored and there is some participatory element in being issued with these images. 

Don't know about anyone else, but if someone sent me an unsolicited Cat A image of child abuse I'd probably be on the phone to the police.

 

Cat B and C too come to that.

[ajthefox]

51 minutes ago, FoyleFox said:

 

Opening an email attachment or message,WhatsApp for example, creates an image file on your device, you've therefore, by the letter of the law, made an image. Solicited or unsolicited.

 

I was also reminded when reading about this yesterday, that the legal definition regarding child pornography/indecent images, is 18. A person could legally have a physical relationship with someone aged 17 but if they sent you a naked/semi clothed photo of themselves, you're making an indecent image of a child. 

 

Which all seems a lot less disgusting than something involving a young child, which is what most of us would naturally assume when indecent images of children is mentioned. 

 

I'm not condoning what Edwards alleged offence is as one assumes the police / CPS haven't the resources to prosecute someone for the odd picture if, you're say 20 and in a relationship with someone who's 17. There's obviously more to it in the Edwards case and It's especially creepy given his age and position.  

 

 

6 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Don't know about anyone else, but if someone sent me an unsolicited Cat A image of child abuse I'd probably be on the phone to the police.

 

Cat B and C too come to that.

Well yes, of course. 

 

I didn't mean to imply that Edwards was innocent, I was just curious about the legal definition and how that could be applied.

 

Obviously if you were sent something like that completely innocently and reported it immediately you wouldn't be getting charged, although you will still have technically "made" an image by the above definition.

[Sampson]

15 hours ago, Lionator said:

Very true. I don’t think many people have truly grasped how utterly bleak the future is both in the short and long term.

 

We have a basically flat line economy that is kept afloat by immigration (whether people like it or not). We have more and more people who are becoming anti immigration. We have birth rate decline, yet we have a social situation where white British birth rates will decline and non-white’s will continue to rise (to note I do not have a problem with this). This will lead to tension, riots, potentially even civil and sectarian violence.
 

Then on the global scale, we have a war in Europe, the Middle East is on fire, the Americans are willing to destroy western economies to stick one over China. Western Europe is basically at war with Russia. We are geopolitically in a WWI situation where two ways to run countries are clashing and neither will back down. Except unlike WWI, we have nukes. 
 

Finally if we survive internal strife, if we somehow do not get annihilated in a nuclear firestorm, we have climate change to look forward to and all of the instability, death and destruction that will bring. 
 

Happy Monday everybody. 😄😄😄

It’s the most unstable I remember the western world being. I miss the heady optimistic days of the third way in the 00s and 90s. Feels like “the long peace” and “the end of history” long since gone. Genuinely think WW3 is a possibility in my lifetime now which I would’ve laughed at 10 years ago. 

 

Also 15 years ago I was optimistic about how the internet would bring the world closer together, but it’s got to the point where I think the internet is bad for humanity overall. Too much information out there for human society to deal with what’s true and what isn’t 

Edited 30 July by Sampson

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

Troll. 

 

Labour haven't broken anything. I don't agree with some of what RR did yesterday and I think it will of surprised a few Lab voters, it's not going to break anything though - I'd like to see Keir Starmer or Angela Rayner up in Southport today - I don't care if they can't do much, but this is something that hasn't happened in a long time and soundbites from Westminster won't cut it. 

Yvette Cooper is there this morning and Starmer's going up today.