foxes1988 Posted 2 August Share Posted 2 August So last week the "right" were 'standing up for the police' and now this week the 'met are a disgrace' and they are setting fire too a police station. I've got whiplash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretPro Posted 2 August Share Posted 2 August 5 minutes ago, bovril said: UK migration is significantly higher than comparable European countries which are not collapsing May be true in the broadest context, but given we left the EU and GDP is down 4% and we are now isolated in our shitbox, a cut of 20% of the NHS workforce (Migrants) would be tricky to navigate for starters. A report is published each year about the financial implications of migration, legal and otherwise, and it shows that migration to the UK, whether legal or not, is economically beneficial. People still haven't work out that no UK Government will ever actually implement a ban on migration, sure they say they want to because it's a vote winner with a certain section of society - Tories ran entire election campaigns (and referendums) on stopping migrants and 'stopping the boats' and yet under their stewardship migration not only went up, it absolutely quintupled at least. Think annual net migration was in the tens of thousands when Labour last left office and yet when the Tories left it was around 900,000 or something similar. Yet every week they were campaigning on 'stopping migrants' and time and again a strange populus of people kept buying into it, believing it, lapping it up. So odd. No Government can afford to end migration today, with the UK in its current financial state. They wouldn't even risk it. It would be suicide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tommy Fresh Posted 2 August Popular Post Share Posted 2 August Posted this countless times but watching him have no response at the end is always superb 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 2 August Share Posted 2 August 2 minutes ago, SecretPro said: May be true in the broadest context, but given we left the EU and GDP is down 4% and we are now isolated in our shitbox, a cut of 20% of the NHS workforce (Migrants) would be tricky to navigate for starters. A report is published each year about the financial implications of migration, legal and otherwise, and it shows that migration to the UK, whether legal or not, is economically beneficial. People still haven't work out that no UK Government will ever actually implement a ban on migration, sure they say they want to because it's a vote winner with a certain section of society - Tories ran entire election campaigns (and referendums) on stopping migrants and 'stopping the boats' and yet under their stewardship migration not only went up, it absolutely quintupled at least. Think annual net migration was in the tens of thousands when Labour last left office and yet when the Tories left it was around 900,000 or something similar. Yet every week they were campaigning on 'stopping migrants' and time and again a strange populus of people kept buying into it, believing it, lapping it up. So odd. No Government can afford to end migration today, with the UK in its current financial state. They wouldn't even risk it. It would be suicide. Yes, immigration is used to plug gaps in our economy from years of chronic underinvestment and Brexit. This is not an optimal situation, not least because it assumes those immigration flows will stay the same. Basing the survival of your economy and society on yearly net migration of nearly 3/4 million people is perhaps not the greatest long term strategy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretPro Posted 2 August Share Posted 2 August (edited) 6 minutes ago, bovril said: Yes, immigration is used to plug gaps in our economy from years of chronic underinvestment and Brexit. This is not an optimal situation, not least because it assumes those immigration flows will stay the same. Basing the survival of your economy and society on yearly net migration of nearly 3/4 million people is perhaps not the greatest long term strategy. Of course it's not, but cutting off your nose to spite your face isn't a great strategy either is it. Brexit was going to make us rich, we were going to take back control, remember? Except it was actually at that exact point we became poorer and migration doubles, trippled... See where cutting your nose to spite your face gets us? Long term, we need a better plan. Maybe we could just do migration the easy way - open actual legal routes and process actual asylum applications, like we did before the Tories took control and crackpots like Priti Patel and Suella Braverman got their hands on things. It worked fine. But in the short term, In the current climate, if we 'took our country back', whatever that means, we'd be on our knees. Edited 2 August by SecretPro 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 2 August Share Posted 2 August 2 minutes ago, bovril said: ... yearly net migration of nearly 3/4 million people is perhaps not the greatest long term strategy. Net migration was unusually high in 2023, at 685,000 Net migration is expected to fall from current levels in 2024 onwards https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/ Facts are important. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tommy Fresh Posted 2 August Popular Post Share Posted 2 August 2 minutes ago, Daggers said: Net migration was unusually high in 2023, at 685,000 Net migration is expected to fall from current levels in 2024 onwards https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/ Facts are important. Keep your facts to yourself 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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