Also In The News - part 3

[urban.spaceman]

1 hour ago, Collymore said:

This is like throwing a hand grenade into the thread isn't it? Especially with mods not wanting political arguments. 

Genuinely wasn't my intention (though I probably should have put it in the absolute ***** of our time thread)

[Lionator]

8 hours ago, Collymore said:

This is like throwing a hand grenade into the thread isn't it? Especially with mods not wanting political arguments. 

I don’t think so. I think it’s pretty evident Hamas commit evil acts of terror even if you feel they’re provoked by Israel. Corbyn is way off the deep end. 

[Bilo]

13 hours ago, EnderbyFox said:

 

Minister for Common Sense, jesus wept. What an absolute laughing stock this government is 

It's the satirists I feel sorry for. The Thick of It would just be a documentary now.

12 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

Is he going to be having a crafty one over that image?

9 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

Pretty unedifying for both of them really. Morgan's interviewing style is far too aggressive and confrontational for such a sensitive issue, but Jeremy Corbyn is genuinely and objectively useless when challenged because he's spent four decades surrounding himself with people who already share his opinions. 

[ajthefox]

Housing Minister Rachel MacClean sacked. Tories now on their 16th housing minister since 2010

 

[foxile5]

10 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

Housing Minister Rachel MacClean sacked. Tories now on their 16th housing minister since 2010

 

It's the same in a lot of departments, isn't it? Education was running on a minister every 9 months for a while.

 

[Daggers]

2 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

It's the same in a lot of departments, isn't it? Education was running on a minister every 9 months for a while.

 

All of them bar schools, where Nick Gibb has at least provided continuity under a constant stream of crackpot Education Secretaries of State - seven in the last five years, with Donelan lasting a magnificent two days.

[Lionator]

To those on the very left https://www.camdennewjournal.co.uk/article/mick-lynch-people-may-hold-their-nose-but-they-have-to-vote-in-a-labour-governmentwa

[Górnik Leicester]

15 hours ago, Dunge said:

Andrea Jenkins submits a letter of no confidence, stating that it’s their last chance to stop Keir Starmer’s socialist cabal.

 

Living in a fantasy world. They genuinely think they still have a “silent majority” behind them.

And have you read it? It reads like it was written by a 7-year-old. And this is the former Under-Secretary of State for Education.

[kenny]

1 hour ago, ajthefox said:

Housing Minister Rachel MacClean sacked. Tories now on their 16th housing minister since 2010

 

Its an unachievable job isn't it? We are currently building 230k houses per year which is just about enough to house the net migration into the UK.

 

As such, we aren't building enough homes even though the construction industry is wildly busy. Furthermore, construction and land costs are such that 'affordable' housing won't ever be affordable as it costs £200k+ to build a 3 bedroom house.

[The Horse's Mouth]

David ****ing Cameron  

[urban.spaceman]

21 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

David ****ing Cameron  

Could be an absolute gift for Starmer and Labour. Fishy Rishi promised “professionalism, integrity and accountability” when he became PM. Since leaving Cameron has been involved in a massive financial scandal in which he lobbied the government for a company that then went bust and he made millions from it. And he won’t be able to be questioned by MPs in the House of Commons so where the **** is the accountability?! 
 

Come the election Starmer needs to use Cameron as the physical embodiment of everything wrong with the Tories and this country. The brutal austerity was started by him. The degradation of our public services started with him. The complete absence of accountability started with him.

 

It’s an astonishingly daft move for Sunak who had previously pointed out that he’d only been an MP since 2015 so can’t be held responsible for the coalition government or anything before he became a minister. He has now directly wedded himself to the Tories entire 13 years of disgrace. 

[Daggers]

[Finnegan]

17 hours ago, EnderbyFox said:

 

Minister for Common Sense, jesus wept. What an absolute laughing stock this government is 

 

I thought this was a joke. I've actually had to go and look it up. 

 

She really is tasked with "leading the government's anti-woke agenda."

 

I'm not being funny here but, this isn't America, I genuinely think being that brazen about an appointment that is literally about perpetuating hate and stirring up culture wars should be enough to force Sunak to resign. I'm not joking, I'm not exaggerating and I don't mean it in any sort of "PC gone mad", "cancel culture", "leftist snowflake!" sense. 

 

But being anti-woke literally means being pro-hatred. It's literally the political position (if you can call it that, I'd argue it's got nothing to do with actual politics) of demagogue bigots with no policy, just rabble rousing on hate. "Anti-woke" is literally, not figuratively-literally, literally-literally just a dog whistle for ACTUAL fascism. 

 

And I say this as someone that doesn't even consider themselves actively "woke." I absolutely get it, the white, middle class, bohemian liberal types acting like biological sex is an illusion and trying to cancel everyone that suggests maybe biologically male convicted predators of women who identify as trans shouldn't be locked in a prison with women? Those people are annoying, they're a tiny fringe minority, but they're annoying. Sure. 

 

They're also completely irrelevant. You don't need a Minister to "lead an agenda" against them. What does that even mean? And what exactly does the office consider woke? 

 

Because I strongly suspect it'll be more than just trans rights. It'll be climate change, it'll be race relations, it'll be immigration. They get rid of Suella Braverman for over (goose) stepping one too many times, they bring back David Cameron to make them look a bit more centrist and normal and then... they create a position to tackle wokeness!? 

 

WHAT THE FVCK IS THIS GOVERNMENT DOING??? 

 

"Common Sense Minister" - this is the pratt that said COVID lock downs were "communism." COMMON FVCKING SENSE??? 

 

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

Anti-woke.

 

Probably will be the OED's word of the year 2023.

 

How can you be anti something that doesn't really exist, in as much as no one seems to agree what it actually means? It's just a tag lazy people use for people who think differently to them and who haven't got either the wit or patience to try and understand.

Edited 14 November 2023 by Trav Le Bleu

[dsr-burnley]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

I thought this was a joke. I've actually had to go and look it up. 

 

She really is tasked with "leading the government's anti-woke agenda."

 

I'm not being funny here but, this isn't America, I genuinely think being that brazen about an appointment that is literally about perpetuating hate and stirring up culture wars should be enough to force Sunak to resign. I'm not joking, I'm not exaggerating and I don't mean it in any sort of "PC gone mad", "cancel culture", "leftist snowflake!" sense. 

 

But being anti-woke literally means being pro-hatred. It's literally the political position (if you can call it that, I'd argue it's got nothing to do with actual politics) of demagogue bigots with no policy, just rabble rousing on hate. "Anti-woke" is literally, not figuratively-literally, literally-literally just a dog whistle for ACTUAL fascism. 

 

And I say this as someone that doesn't even consider themselves actively "woke." I absolutely get it, the white, middle class, bohemian liberal types acting like biological sex is an illusion and trying to cancel everyone that suggests maybe biologically male convicted predators of women who identify as trans shouldn't be locked in a prison with women? Those people are annoying, they're a tiny fringe minority, but they're annoying. Sure. 

 

They're also completely irrelevant. You don't need a Minister to "lead an agenda" against them. What does that even mean? And what exactly does the office consider woke? 

 

Because I strongly suspect it'll be more than just trans rights. It'll be climate change, it'll be race relations, it'll be immigration. They get rid of Suella Braverman for over (goose) stepping one too many times, they bring back David Cameron to make them look a bit more centrist and normal and then... they create a position to tackle wokeness!? 

 

WHAT THE [deleted] IS THIS GOVERNMENT DOING??? 

 

"Common Sense Minister" - this is the pratt that said COVID lock downs were "communism." COMMON [deleted] SENSE??? 

 

 

The SNP's policy and practice was to put male rapists into women's prisons.  This is not irrelevant and it's very much more than annoying. 

 

The common approach of "I am right and people who disagree are wrong" seems to be getting trumped by "I am right and people who disagree are fascist", and it is just wrong.  It isn't fascist to disapprove of the current "The British Empire was evil" agenda, for example, nor is it fascist to mention the good things it did eg. abolish the slave trade.

 

There is a an obsessive culture in large parts of society whereby virtue signalling is taken to a ridiculous degree.  For example, the chairman of the MCC recently said (and not for the first time) that the Warner stand might be renamed because Pelham Warner had grandparents who owned slaves.  This is a nonsense, and it is the sort of attitude that anti-wokedom would want to fight against.

Edited 14 November 2023 by dsr-burnley

[st albans fox]

10 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

The SNP's policy and practice was to put male rapists into women's prisons.  This is not irrelevant and it's very much more than annoying. 

 

The common approach of "I am right and people who disagree are wrong" seems to be getting trumped by "I am right and people who disagree are fascist", and it is just wrong.  It isn't fascist to disapprove of the current "The British Empire was evil" agenda, for example, nor is it fascist to mention the good things it did eg. abolish the slave trade.

 

There is a an obsessive culture in large parts of society whereby virtue signalling is taken to a ridiculous degree.  For example, the chairman of the MCC recently said (and not for the first time) that the Warner stand might be renamed because Pelham Warner had grandparents who owned slaves.  This is a nonsense, and it is the sort of attitude that anti-wokedom would want to fight against.

You mean it’s not named after the Aussie opener ?

[Finnegan]

8 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

The SNP's policy and practice was to put male rapists into women's prisons.  This is not irrelevant and it's very much more than annoying. 

 

The common approach of "I am right and people who disagree are wrong" seems to be getting trumped by "I am right and people who disagree are fascist", and it is just wrong.  It isn't fascist to disapprove of the current "The British Empire was evil" agenda, for example, nor is it fascist to mention the good things it did eg. abolish the slave trade.

 

There is a an obsessive culture in large parts of society whereby virtue signalling is taken to a ridiculous degree.  For example, the chairman of the MCC recently said (and not for the first time) that the Warner stand might be renamed because Pelham Warner had grandparents who owned slaves.  This is a nonsense, and it is the sort of attitude that anti-wokedom would want to fight against.

 

Not being "woke" isn't problematic. You don't need to "be woke." Like I said, personally, I don't think I am all that much particularly (although I suspect the anti woke folk would disagree.)

 

I don't care if you don't care about trans rights, black lives, or any other attempted culture war. 

 

But being anti-woke, however, is something very different. Being anti-woke is a quite odious dog whistle and I have never, ever, ever heard a single person identify as anti-woke that wasn't dangerously far right. 

 

As for all of your "oh boo hoo they want to rename my cricket stadium" shit, fvck off. There doesn't need to be a government department set up to decide this shit, one way or another, it's the court of public opinion that are deciding. There's not some LiBeRaL wOkE aGeNdA at work attacking your sport for having a history of being objectively racist and pointing out that, hey, maybe major historic slave owning families don't need a stand named after them.

 

It's just people. Normal people. Public opinion, the opinion of the majority, is just changing. That's what truly terrifies the far right wing, that's what truly terrifies the "anti woke", they like to paint themselves as the silent majority, they like to think they're "common sense", they like to pretend they're talking for all of the working class. 

 

Nope. They're an increasingly shrinking fringe and the "big conspiracy" that's out to get them is just Millennials and Gen Z getting older and gaining voting and purchasing power. Politicians and Capitalists alike now both have to pay attention to their opinions and they've grown up in a multicultural world where multiculturalism HASN'T failed. It's made consecutive generations of mostly progressive egalitarians who are more than happg to hold people accountable for terrible opinions and behaviour. 

 

ItS pC gONe MaD. Nope, it's just the consequences of your actions. 

 

[bmt]

33 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

The SNP's policy and practice was to put male rapists into women's prisons.  This is not irrelevant and it's very much more than annoying. 

 

The common approach of "I am right and people who disagree are wrong" seems to be getting trumped by "I am right and people who disagree are fascist", and it is just wrong.  It isn't fascist to disapprove of the current "The British Empire was evil" agenda, for example, nor is it fascist to mention the good things it did eg. abolish the slave trade.

 

There is a an obsessive culture in large parts of society whereby virtue signalling is taken to a ridiculous degree.  For example, the chairman of the MCC recently said (and not for the first time) that the Warner stand might be renamed because Pelham Warner had grandparents who owned slaves.  This is a nonsense, and it is the sort of attitude that anti-wokedom would want to fight against.

British Empire was evil tho tbf and anyone who disagrees is a fascist 

 

[Daggers]

I think I should be congratulated for all the great things I’ve done - like stopping killing and raping for a start. It’s not fair wokey folks keep wanting to point to my clear and obvious transgressions, misreported by leftist media. If you think I’m a bad man well that’s just your problem because you aren’t believing in me hard enough.

Edited 14 November 2023 by Daggers
Screw you Apple

[Dunge]

There are definitely two core ways of looking at Woke. For some it’s about acknowledging and desiring social justice and showing people kindness through understanding of their experiences. For others it’s railing against an aggressive and puritanical shutting down of conversations that don’t fit into a narrow morality. The battle, as much as anything, seems to be over the word.

 

Both sides have a point. The question is probably one of scale.

[Trav Le Bleu]

23 minutes ago, Daggers said:

I think I should be congratulated for all the great things I’ve done - like stopping misappropriation of life and non-consentual fecundity for a start. It’s not fair enlightened persons/things/concepts/+ keep wanting to point to my clear and obvious misunderstanding of conventional and outdated thinking, misreported by not inclined to the right media. If you think I’m a primitive concept of wrong person/thing/concept/+ well that’s just your inconvenience that must be overcome because you aren’t believing in me not flacid enough.

Fixed

Edited 14 November 2023 by Trav Le Bleu

[Daggers]

1 minute ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Fixed

Did you just assume my grammar?

[Mike Oxlong]

As I sit in my echo chamber I occasionally virtue signal by blowing my dog whistle in an anti anti-woke manner. I haven’t a clue what all this means but it must be good because it pisses the neighbours off. 

[st albans fox]

47 minutes ago, bmt said:

British Empire was evil tho tbf and anyone who disagrees is a fascist 

 

Was there a ‘good’ empire in the 19th/first half 20th century ?? 
 

Many European countries were guilty. Do the Dutch, French, Spanish, Portuguese and Italians do the same navel gazing as we do over this ??

[Mike Oxlong]

43 minutes ago, Daggers said:

I think I should be congratulated for all the great things I’ve done - like stopping killing and raping for a start.

But on here that was just standard fare for a normal night out in Leicester back in the day. Ask @Tincy