Also In The News - part 3

[Heathrow fox]

40 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Recruiting from the Commonwealth wasn't a Lexit argument. Misguidedly, in my view, the Lexit argument was all about "socialism in one country". It saw the EU as a stooge of global capitalism and Lexit as a solution - freeing the UK to tax and spend and run deficits and nationalise industries/utilities without facing EU capitalist constraints on such actions.

 

Recruiting from the Commonwealth was an argument put forward by some more traditional right-wing Brexiteers. Some of them definitely proclaimed themselves unhappy with EU free movement, but happy with "control of our borders" leading to EU workers being replaced by workers from the Commonwealth with whom we had more of a historical connection - provided the UK controlled the numbers. I well remember posters on here saying they weren't opposed to immigration, so long as the UK controlled it. Presumably people who hold such views will be happy that the Tory Govt has exercised its control of our post-Brexit borders to allow a large influx of workers from India and Nigeria.

 

On the other hand, part of the Brexit argument was also that EU workers were forcing down British workers' pay, particularly in low-paid sectors. Care workers aren't generally well paid and NHS staff have spent half the year on strike over real-terms pay cuts, so it's interesting that the Govt is allowing a large influx of immigrant labour to take up posts in NHS and care work. Brexiteers who used the pay argument presumably won't be happy with that. Still, unemployment is still low - and the UK will have saved a lot of money by not having to fund the training of our own health and care workers, so there'll have been lots of extra cash for tax cuts, improved public services and paying down debt, eh? 

I understood at the time the socialism in one country argument.Grow the economy without outside interference and restrictions.EU equals global capitalism boo hiss etc.

Not with you on the immigration.The pro Lexit commentators I listened to (If you could find one)Urged for more recruitment from the traditional commonwealth countries to meet any shortfall.Open the door for the white faces.Slam it shut for the brown ones.Nothing socialist about it.Mainstream the Lexit argument was all but ignored save for the occasional appearance of Kate Hoey.

Tbh I find poaching foreign labour from developing nations immoral.Bare minimum it has a detrimental short to medium term effect on their economies.We don’t like to think about that though.We like to think their is a magical conveyor belt of cheap labour.without consequence.

[Nalis]

6 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

I understood at the time the socialism in one country argument.Grow the economy without outside interference and restrictions.EU equals global capitalism boo hiss etc.

Not with you on the immigration.The pro Lexit commentators I listened to (If you could find one)Urged for more recruitment from the traditional commonwealth countries to meet any shortfall.Open the door for the white faces.Slam it shut for the brown ones.Nothing socialist about it.Mainstream the Lexit argument was all but ignored save for the occasional appearance of Kate Hoey.

Tbh I find poaching foreign labour from developing nations immoral.Bare minimum it has a detrimental short to medium term effect on their economies.We don’t like to think about that though.We like to think their is a magical conveyor belt of cheap labour.without consequence.

If thats the problem then whats the solution? From an individual's perspective, if they want to come over here to earn more money, who can blame them?

[Guest BlueBrett]

Hypocrisy is the true pandemic of our times. It's ****ing everywhere

[jgtuk]

9 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Come on  ( especially with the footnote - so it’s fine - the weapons being stored at the school aren’t necessarily rockets.) 

So it’s not credible. It’s vague at best which is the way Israel play. 
 

The times of Israel article was quoting UNWRA - here is their link seeing as any publication which has the name Israel in it seems to cause you a problem

 

 https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/unrwa-strongly-condemns-neutrality-breach-against-agency-gaza

It’s proof of a man made cavity ffs, no mention of any weapons or terrorism 

 

 

9 hours ago, st albans fox said:

The un watch (I accept your description of the website ) is again quoting UN reports. There may be some context removed but that doesn’t mean what it’s reported wasn’t true. 
I don’t need to answer this. Just not a credible agency 

 

9 hours ago, st albans fox said:

There is loads of stuff on line from PA, AFP, Reuters but I deliberately only chose UN stuff I could find in five minutes to avoid you questioning it’s veracity because you haven’t seen it yourself 

No doubt there’s loads of stuff out there. They’ve been under occupation for a loooong time so hardly surprising. 
Now do Israel. 

 

[RowlattsFox]

I'm surprised there hasn't been more comments about the scumbags in Dublin last night. 

[Guest BlueBrett]

1 minute ago, RowlattsFox said:

I'm surprised there hasn't been more comments about the scumbags in Dublin last night. 

What's the point? We already know exactly who is gonna say exactly what.

 

I could write the dialogue now and in a couple of days it will read like a transcript. 

[CosbehFox]

Time it’s taken the Dutch to form a government post election 

 

2003: 125 days
2006: 93 days 
2010: 127 days
2012: 52 days
2017: 225 days
2022: 299 days

Think we will see a year this time 

[bovril]

2 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Time it’s taken the Dutch to form a government post election 

 

2003: 125 days
2006: 93 days 
2010: 127 days
2012: 52 days
2017: 225 days
2022: 299 days

Think we will see a year this time 

shtop, it's not ready yet! 

[ClaphamFox]

Oscar Pistorius to be freed on bail after serving just seven years of his sentence for murdering Reeva Steenkamp. SEVEN years for murder. Incredible.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-67518501

[urban.spaceman]

 

[Dunge]

4 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

My dad still accuses me of not knowing one end of a screwdriver from the other.

Which is ridiculous, because you obviously wouldn’t hit the nail with the thin end.

 

[Jon the Hat]

2 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Oscar Pistorius to be freed on bail after serving just seven years of his sentence for murdering Reeva Steenkamp. SEVEN years for murder. Incredible.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-67518501

Parole not bail, and it’s 11 years, he served three for manslaughter before he was appealed and jailed for murder.  It’s a pretty long sentence for murder really.  Many serve less.

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said:

Parole not bail, and it’s 11 years, he served three for manslaughter before he was appealed and jailed for murder.  It’s a pretty long sentence for murder really.  Many serve less.

Yes, parole - my mistake.

 

However I don’t agree that 11 years is a long sentence for what he did. He deliberately killed a woman who was hiding from him in terror in a bathroom. I’d say 25 years is more appropriate for that.

[Jon the Hat]

5 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Yes, parole - my mistake.

 

However I don’t agree that 11 years is a long sentence for what he did. He deliberately killed a woman who was hiding from him in terror in a bathroom. I’d say 25 years is more appropriate for that.

Yes but that’s a very rare sentence let along time actually served in prison.  10 years actually as he was out for about a year under house arrest I believe.

Edited 24 November 2023 by Jon the Hat

[The Doctor]

24 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

 

Corporate wants you to find the difference between these two pictures

[Zear0]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

I've had worse tradesmen. 

[MPH]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

to be fair Diane Abbott was fairly influential in running the country too

[Bellend Sebastian]

19 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

to be fair Diane Abbott was fairly influential in running the country too

She was only ever a member of a shadow cabinet, so more influential than me, perhaps

[urban.spaceman]

26 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

to be fair Diane Abbott was fairly influential in running the country too

Well that really hammers it home. 

[Lionator]

I mean he was clearly told to use the hammer that way. I think it’s disingenuous to suggest that his hammering method is a good reason why he shouldn’t be in charge, rather than say his systematic dismantling of the healthcare and welfare systems and his obvious disdain for poor people. 

[Brizzle Fox]

52 minutes ago, Lionator said:

I mean he was clearly told to use the hammer that way. I think it’s disingenuous to suggest that his hammering method is a good reason why he shouldn’t be in charge, rather than say his systematic dismantling of the healthcare and welfare systems and his obvious disdain for poor people. 

Indeed. Wonder how good he is at eating a bacon sandwich though?

[Daggers]

2 hours ago, Zear0 said:

I've had worse tradesmen. 

I remember a time when people couldn’t be this open about their sexual history. 
 

I’m so proud of you. Genuinely brought a tear of joy to my eye. 👊 

[MPH]

2 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

She was only ever a member of a shadow cabinet, so more influential than me, perhaps

 

well, it was more a slur on Sunak but you’re right only ever shadow Home Secretary.

[Alf Bentley]

19 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

I understood at the time the socialism in one country argument.Grow the economy without outside interference and restrictions.EU equals global capitalism boo hiss etc.

Not with you on the immigration.The pro Lexit commentators I listened to (If you could find one)Urged for more recruitment from the traditional commonwealth countries to meet any shortfall.Open the door for the white faces.Slam it shut for the brown ones.Nothing socialist about it.Mainstream the Lexit argument was all but ignored save for the occasional appearance of Kate Hoey.

Tbh I find poaching foreign labour from developing nations immoral.Bare minimum it has a detrimental short to medium term effect on their economies.We don’t like to think about that though.We like to think their is a magical conveyor belt of cheap labour.without consequence.

 

Can you remember who any of the pro-Commonwealth Lexit commentators were? Doesn't matter if not. I'm just curious. I recall one or two Labour voters expressing such sentiments, but not politicians/lefty media commentators.

 

I agree with you about the immorality of poaching skilled/trained labour from developing nations. It's then doubly immoral if such foreign labour is being poached in order to avoid the cost of training up British workers and/or to hold down pay levels in certain UK economic sectors (health & care, it seems). I didn't support Brexit but one of the few Brexit arguments that had some validity, in my view, was that foreign labour was holding down pay rates in some lower-paid jobs (e.g. care work & less skilled NHS jobs). It's scandalous if the Tory Govt has "taken back control of our borders" only to massively increase the influx of cheap foreign labour so as to hold down pay for jobs in Britain - including public sector NHS jobs. Scandalous, but entirely unsurprising.

 

Anyway, it's been a long working week, so my weekend focus will now be football and fun, not Brexit and immigration.  

[Bellend Sebastian]

2 hours ago, MPH said:

 

well, it was more a slur on Sunak but you’re right only ever shadow Home Secretary.

A slur on our glorious Prime Miniature, sorry, Minister?!?

 

He'll attack you with a hammer for that!! Actually no need to worry then