Notts F & Everton admit to breaking rules and face points deduction

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

Has anyone reflected on the comments made by Richard (Dick) Masters? 
 

His effectively says we preferred Leicester City were relegated than Everton. He refers to Everton as an important member of the PL because they’re an ever present. Also Everton appealed and got their hearing moved to this season, as it was proposed to take place last season. As if you should be able to move a hearing? Of course if you are down the bottom you want to kick it further down the line, and has huge implications for other more law abiding clubs.

 

You have to question the whole culture and attitude of the Premier League. Everton fans call it corrupt, but really if they were going to be punished they managed to steer it to being dished out at the best moment possible. 

[The whole world smiles]

3 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Has anyone reflected on the comments made by Richard (Dick) Masters? 
 

His effectively says we preferred Leicester City were relegated than Everton. He refers to Everton as an important member of the PL because they’re an ever present. Also Everton appealed and got their hearing moved to this season, as it was proposed to take place last season. As if you should be able to move a hearing? Of course if you are down the bottom you want to kick it further down the line, and has huge implications for other more law abiding clubs.

 

You have to question the whole culture and attitude of the Premier League. Everton fans call it corrupt, but really if they were going to be punished they managed to steer it to being dished out at the best moment possible. 

Sounds interesting got a link? 

[hackneyfox]

1 hour ago, Daggers said:

No one should have to buy memberships. All tickets should go on general sale. No ticket should cost more than £20. Standing and singing should be encouraged. Shirts should not change annually and reflect the pennies it cost to make them. And if you live in Burkina Faso then fvck off and support RC Bobo Dioulasso.

All 'unsold' tickets or 'all tickets'?

[Les-TA-Jon]

40 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Has anyone reflected on the comments made by Richard (Dick) Masters? 
 

His effectively says we preferred Leicester City were relegated than Everton. He refers to Everton as an important member of the PL because they’re an ever present. Also Everton appealed and got their hearing moved to this season, as it was proposed to take place last season. As if you should be able to move a hearing? Of course if you are down the bottom you want to kick it further down the line, and has huge implications for other more law abiding clubs.

 

You have to question the whole culture and attitude of the Premier League. Everton fans call it corrupt, but really if they were going to be punished they managed to steer it to being dished out at the best moment possible. 

 

37 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

Sounds interesting got a link? 

Haven't watched it yet. Nor do I have timestamps or confirmation of those quotes/ideas but it'll be in this video if so

 

 

[kingkisnorbo]

Sympathy for the fans of lower league clubs when mismanaged by bad owners/financiers but not for Everton's? Why?

[urban.spaceman]

They left off the one threatening Rafa Benitez in his home for some reason.

 

 

 

[CosbehFox]

Think it's too easy to look at FFP and its application towards the Premier League. 

 

Football has a food chain accepted. You've got the likes of Henry Winter citing its punishing ambition but it also protects the ambitions of clubs wanting to progress on a fair basis. So is it expected that Luton should have come up and start throwing cash around on wages? 

 

If there's not some form of financial control, it extends the gap from the PL to the Championship and has a knock-on to the cup competitions in their competiitveness. If you have no FFP,  you risk the promoted clubs having to come up and effectively 'arms race' their way into contention. 

 

Think Finners makes really excellent points about ownership and sustainability. Forest fundamentally signing 32 players and hiking their wage bill is not sustainable. Luton sensibly investing whilst they look at getting themselves a new stadium is.

 

Anyway, I will say until it's boring. I wouldn't get stressed about Everton. They are utterly ****ed with the finance deals with 777. It's just a case of time. Their fans really need to be pushing their energies there. It's a company what don't pay, can't pay, having to take 52.9% APR loans for liquid cash and in the process of busting three football clubs plus a basketball league.  

Edited 17 January by CosbehFox

[KFS]

15 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

They left off the one threatening Rafa Benitez in his home for some reason.

 

 

 

I actually hate this football club more than any other. 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Has anyone reflected on the comments made by Richard (Dick) Masters? 
 

His effectively says we preferred Leicester City were relegated than Everton. He refers to Everton as an important member of the PL because they’re an ever present. Also Everton appealed and got their hearing moved to this season, as it was proposed to take place last season. As if you should be able to move a hearing? Of course if you are down the bottom you want to kick it further down the line, and has huge implications for other more law abiding clubs.

 

You have to question the whole culture and attitude of the Premier League. Everton fans call it corrupt, but really if they were going to be punished they managed to steer it to being dished out at the best moment possible. 

Is that your interpretation of what he effectively said rather than what he effectively said ?

[Ricey]

The Forest argument is crazy. No one can prove they ended up with more money by selling later in the window, that is just their word. Who knows, Tottenham may have bid earlier if it looked like he was off to Brentford.

 

Also, it's a self-inflicted mess. They knew the rules and they knew the numbers required to not break those rules. They risked it and lost. Everything else is excuses.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

12 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Is that your interpretation of what he effectively said rather than what he effectively said ?

It’s my interpretation of reading the meaning behind the lines. I’m inferring, but I don’t think it’s an outrageous inference. His words are loaded.

Edited 17 January by Wasyls Pec Deck

[st albans fox]

Just now, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

It’s my interpretation and reading the meaning behind the lines. 

I can’t bring myself to listen to that dick for the length of time I’d need  to arrive at my own interpretation 😄

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

13 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I can’t bring myself to listen to that dick for the length of time I’d need  to arrive at my own interpretation 😄

Wikipedia is in agreement…

 

 

[Daggers]

2 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

You were talking about the commercialisation of football clubs. I agree with you - in that, the commercialisation of football clubs makes them a lot more soulless, less distinct from one another and of course has bad outcomes for fans. In addition LCFC has particularly been slowly changed from Leicester City Football Club to King Power Football Club. I don't like any of that. 

 

But you specifically mentioned Leicester fans from 'elsewhere' - which I presumed you meant you didn't like 'international' or otherwise 'non-genuine' Leicester fans. Which I think is a related but separate issue to the commercialisation one. Maybe I misinterpreted you but I thought you were coming across as a gatekeeper and saying that certain people 'shouldn't' be Leicester fans...

I don't care who says they support the club tbh mate. I find it completely odd that someone chooses to follow a team they have no previous connection with. I've zero time for those who claim to be fans when we sign someone from their country.

 

I've moved around the world and have an emotional attachment to the local clubs I went to watch with the friends I made there, but I was born in Leicester so that will be my club for life. I don't go on Sunderland, Cali or Caracas forums, you won't find me following Auxerre, Ajax, or Millonarios on Facebook - although I did donate to the Shrimpers Trust's fighting fund.

 

My issue is with the club courting foreign fair-weather fans. 

 

1 hour ago, hackneyfox said:

All 'unsold' tickets or 'all tickets'?

I think all tickets (bar STs) should go straight to general sale at a fixed and affordable to all price - no membership schemes, no purchase history points bollocks. Makes it sales to the motivated only. We are flooded with placeholder fans who are maintaining their points for the big games they now expect us to have. It's why they aren't engaged with matches and bunk off early.

[Trent Steel]

I don't know why but I think they will both somehow avoid a points deduction and the forest fans will come up with another stupid song like "30 signings who gives a f**k the reds are staying up" like they did last season

 

rather than admit their club is run by a well dodgy bloke they will just laugh at it to rub peoples faces in it and get away with it

 

just got that feeling with this they will get away with it somehow...  I don't know what ?  maybe delay things even longer?

[coolhandfox]

5 hours ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

I thought the accounting periods had moved so decisions to punishments could be taken in-season - hence the recent announcements.

I don't think they have changed the accounting periods. They are just trying to be quicker in turning around punishments. 

 

Ensure the punishment is in the same season as the charge was made, bearing in mind the charge will always be after the account period. 

 

So this week's charge for Everton was for the reporting period of 20/21-21/22 - 22/23.

 

 

[Nalis]

2 hours ago, Trent Steel said:

I don't know why but I think they will both somehow avoid a points deduction and the forest fans will come up with another stupid song like "30 signings who gives a f**k the reds are staying up" like they did last season

 

rather than admit their club is run by a well dodgy bloke they will just laugh at it to rub peoples faces in it and get away with it

 

just got that feeling with this they will get away with it somehow...  I don't know what ?  maybe delay things even longer?

To be fair, we'd be doing something similar if we were in their shoes. I agree that I think they'll get away with it too.

[Muzzy_no7]

6 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Has anyone reflected on the comments made by Richard (Dick) Masters? 
 

His effectively says we preferred Leicester City were relegated than Everton. He refers to Everton as an important member of the PL because they’re an ever present. Also Everton appealed and got their hearing moved to this season, as it was proposed to take place last season. As if you should be able to move a hearing? Of course if you are down the bottom you want to kick it further down the line, and has huge implications for other more law abiding clubs.

 

You have to question the whole culture and attitude of the Premier League. Everton fans call it corrupt, but really if they were going to be punished they managed to steer it to being dished out at the best moment possible. 

Wow that’s horrendous from him.

 

Everton have 1 trophy in the modern era while we have 5. 
 

We’ve also got further than them in European competition since the PL started. 

[Leicesterpool]

5 hours ago, kingkisnorbo said:

Sympathy for the fans of lower league clubs when mismanaged by bad owners/financiers but not for Everton's? Why?

Perhaps because the play in the Premier league and get loads in tv revenue. 

[SamA27]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l0056hjd/monday-night-club-15012024
Starting listening from 19:21.

 

I heard this on Monday Night Live and had to go back and listen to it again. Rory Smith puts this all perfectly, and I think every Everton and Forest fan should hear/be explained this. 

 

This is what has been pissing me off about all these protests Everton has done over the last few months, it's not the Premier League's fault, you broke their rules!

Should be mad at the people who have broken them. Unfortunately, I think Forest will join in and they will carry on. Marinakis is currently being investigated for match-fixing in Greece, and if you know anything about the Greek league he won't be done for it because Olympiacos are like Real Madrid, the capital/government team.

 

I know the argument is always what about Man City, but the investigation is still going on, and it's over 10 years, just have to wait. If they get off scot-free, then fair play you protest saying the PL is corrupt, but over these rule-breaking issues, you can't. 

[Fox92]

4 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said:

Perhaps because the play in the Premier league and get loads in tv revenue. 

That's nothing the fans control though.

[kingkisnorbo]

23 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said:

Perhaps because the play in the Premier league and get loads in tv revenue. 

I just don't understand this performative blood thirst to punish what is ultimately the fanbases of these clubs. They have literally no control over any of it. Everton particularly have been vocal about disdain for their ownership more than pretty much any club too so you could hardly level that they are complicit, unlike Newcastle who have pretty much total support for theirs. Perhaps the Premier League/FA should start with more rigorous vetting processes for ownership/financiers. 

[Lambert09]

4 hours ago, Trent Steel said:

I don't know why but I think they will both somehow avoid a points deduction and the forest fans will come up with another stupid song like "30 signings who gives a f**k the reds are staying up" like they did last season

 

rather than admit their club is run by a well dodgy bloke they will just laugh at it to rub peoples faces in it and get away with it

 

just got that feeling with this they will get away with it somehow...  I don't know what ?  maybe delay things even longer?

they will probably reduce evertons punishment after the season. They just want to add some spice to the relegation fight for now 

[nnfox]

36 minutes ago, kingkisnorbo said:

I just don't understand this performative blood thirst to punish what is ultimately the fanbases of these clubs. They have literally no control over any of it. Everton particularly have been vocal about disdain for their ownership more than pretty much any club too so you could hardly level that they are complicit, unlike Newcastle who have pretty much total support for theirs. Perhaps the Premier League/FA should start with more rigorous vetting processes for ownership/financiers. 

It's the club that gets punished because the club did a bad thing.  It's ok to sympathise with the fans, but ultimately fans will support teams through the downs as well as the ups.

 

If someone has a well paid job and their family enjoy a comfortable life but then that person decides to get drunk and drive home one night and gets arrested, which leads to the courts banning them from driving which in turn, leads to them losing their job and the family falling on hard times... Is it the court's fault that the family have to majorly adjust their lifestyle? No.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

I don't think they have changed the accounting periods. They are just trying to be quicker in turning around punishments. 

 

Ensure the punishment is in the same season as the charge was made, bearing in mind the charge will always be after the account period. 

 

So this week's charge for Everton was for the reporting period of 20/21-21/22 - 22/23.

 

 

Audited accounts were required by 31 December this year.

 

Previously these were required by 31 March.
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12408661/amp/Premier-League-introduce-new-rule-following-Evertons-FFP-charges-season-clubs-recent-history-overspending-submit-accounts-THREE-MONTHS-earlier-rest-flight.html

 

I’m a little annoyed, because you didn’t even check.