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Notts F & Everton admit to breaking rules and face points deduction

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How do you quantify what we’ve lost from relegation? 
 

I can only assume it’s loss of TV revenue which can be quantified to a degree. 
 

You can’t put a number on the loss of money we have incurred selling Maddison and Barnes on the cheap. 
 

 

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jammie82uk

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6 minutes ago, Sly said:

How do you quantify what we’ve lost from relegation? 
 

I can only assume it’s loss of TV revenue which can be quantified to a degree. 
 

You can’t put a number on the loss of money we have incurred selling Maddison and Barnes on the cheap. 
 

 

It is hard to put a figure on for the reasons you state, also could be sponsorship and merchandise sales, only other time I can remember 1 club claiming from another was West Ham & Sheff United, they got £20 million but that was 14 years ago so based on that £100 million is not unreasonable in my opinion 

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2 hours ago, Sly said:

How do you quantify what we’ve lost from relegation? 
 

I can only assume it’s loss of TV revenue which can be quantified to a degree. 
 

You can’t put a number on the loss of money we have incurred selling Maddison and Barnes on the cheap. 

 

 - Sponsorship deals (FBS for starters are no longer our main shirt sponsor; King Power have had to step in to sponsor us at Championship market value which should be considerably lower)

  • https://www.lcfc.com/partnerships currently lists 12 "partners" currently. I'm sure that number was higher (maybe double) in previous seasons but web.archive.org currently isn't loading for me - if anyone can find a snapshot of that page it would be handy
  • Even so, those deals would have had clauses in them in case of relegation to either opt-out or reduce the money involved.
  • Weakened exposure for potential sponsors.

- Devalued assets - Maddison, Barnes and Castagne for a start. Plus we *could* make the argument that relegation weakened our position with contract negotiations for other players who left.

- Merchandise exposure

- Stadium expansion put on hold which will cost money in planning/legal/architect/construction fees etc until we can start building, and even then the delayed build weakens our revenue capability because we went from being a regular top six club with regular European football and regularly challenging for trophies or being competitive in every competition (won the FA Cup and Community Shield but also had semi finals in the League Cup and the European Conference League - plus at least 7 quarter-finals in just the last 5 years) which we will now struggle to reattain.

- Having to rebuild our entire squad AND still having to employ Danny Ward.

- TV money:

  • The Premier League's broadcast deal, which in itself is absolutely corrupt, earns clubs £1.2m per game when they're selected by the broadcasters
  • In the Championship I believe it's £100,000 per game but can't find a reliable figure at this time of night.
  • International TV money practically nothing compared to in the Premier League

 

For me, £100m isn't anywhere near enough from Everton, but it's all a pittance to what we should be claiming from Man City when they're charged.

 

I don't care what the figure is personally. I just want our future back. 

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19 hours ago, Spudulike said:

I keep seeing people on X quoting over and over, 'they've picked on the wrong club'. All sounding a bit sinister. Not sure what they mean. Perhaps because they see themselves as good at protesting, singing songs and waving banners. 

 

:dunno:

What they mean is next time prem officials are in town for a game they'll find their car up on bricks 

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Dahnsouff

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18 hours ago, Sly said:

How do you quantify what we’ve lost from relegation? 
 

I can only assume it’s loss of TV revenue which can be quantified to a degree. 
 

You can’t put a number on the loss of money we have incurred selling Maddison and Barnes on the cheap. 

You can’t, it’s too subjective, and that’s even if you get to this point which seems super unlikely too me.

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On 22/11/2023 at 03:47, Daggers said:

There’s only one way to stop it. 
 

May I introduce you to non-league. 
 

Please tell me I’m missing the irony winky wink going on here?

 

A regulator won’t achieve anything. Fans voting with their wallets would. 

I think the Regulator is long over due and it remains to be seen what he's going to do.

I just hope he doesn't end up in the pockets of the big Clubs.

The problem I have is,  there's still no national Fans body involved in the whole process.

I hope this anomaly is one of the first things that the Regulator addresses.

Fans from all Clubs need to come together and appoint there own Representatives to look after there interests.

And that Clubs take them seriously.  They should even have Board representation on the different leagues.

Fans have been taken for granted for too long and trusting there Clubs to do the right thing,

Without the Fans football would be nothing.  

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I realize that Everton cheated ... I get it !!    But let's be honest ...... We were pure unadulterated shite and deserved what we got. The club made mistake on top of mistake but if we can get some coin from Everton .. Great.   But at the end of the day the blame lies with LCFC...  not Everton. !!

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7 hours ago, gurru991 said:

I realize that Everton cheated ... I get it !!    But let's be honest ...... We were pure unadulterated shite and deserved what we got. The club made mistake on top of mistake but if we can get some coin from Everton .. Great.   But at the end of the day the blame lies with LCFC...  not Everton. !!

...this has been stated over and over again, our performance or lack of one led to our relegation!!!

Let us take that as a given, whether we should or should not receive compensation is a moral dilemma, but Everton should be subjected to a punishment which equated to their cynicism towards FFP and the clubs fighting to stay on the right side of the legal line.

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On 22/11/2023 at 22:03, Sly said:

How do you quantify what we’ve lost from relegation? 
 

I can only assume it’s loss of TV revenue which can be quantified to a degree. 
 

You can’t put a number on the loss of money we have incurred selling Maddison and Barnes on the cheap. 
 

 

Both sides argue their case, the judge makes a ruling on liability, should they find in favour of the claimant both sides argue their case on amount and the judge makes a ruling on the award, finally the same happens with costs.

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Well worth a listen to the Athletic's podcast on this topic. People saying that it was only £20m over the limit ignore that they'd already been warned repeatedly by the PL about their transfer spending and alot of the costs towards their new stadium had been deducted from their losses. 

 

As for our position, I remember how frustrating it was last summer at the lack of transfer activity. Don't know how accurate reports were that we had to turn down signing Lookman for around £15m cus of FFP concerns. Then consider the goal that kept Everton up was scored by a player they bought for £21m, which was roughly the amount of their overspend. I know this is a simplistic way of looking at things, but I certainly get why people at the club would want to pursue compensation given the fine margins involved

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5 hours ago, Foxmeister said:

I can't help but think us and Burnley are taking Leeds and Southampton for a ride on the legal fees, both would have been relegated regardless and, with no causation, the best they can hope for is a couple of million for finishing one place lower.

Saints have pulled out of the claim for compensation. 

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On 22/11/2023 at 22:03, Sly said:

How do you quantify what we’ve lost from relegation? 
 

I can only assume it’s loss of TV revenue which can be quantified to a degree. 
 

You can’t put a number on the loss of money we have incurred selling Maddison and Barnes on the cheap. 
 

 

An argument could be made that we would have let them leave for free by keeping them if we stayed up.

 

Also that its not Everton's fault KP have chosen to delay the stadium works.

 

The reasonable claim is the TV money and loss of advertising revenue.

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