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Notts F & Everton admit to breaking rules and face points deduction

By Jobyfox, in General Football and Sport

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I reckon Everton fans call PL, FA etc corrupted because Man City and Chelsea aren't punished yet? If the latter ones get a -22 to - 32pts deduction or get a relegation punishment in the next few months (which I believe will happen) will Everton fans still moan about corruption? Eventually they'll be happy to play again in this corrupted league next season? 

Do they think we're all stupid? 

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KFS

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2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

I think collective complaint coupled with a complete unawareness of what makes an effective protest is in their DNA

Just repeat a childish slogan that none of the really understand don’t they?

 

’fook the tories’ being a prime example.

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1 minute ago, KFS said:

Just repeat a childish slogan that none of the really understand don’t they?

 

’fook the tories’ being a prime example.

Was more the random booing today that was just pointless, not cohesion, no real message. EPL must have been shitting it.  :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

A noted public figure giving their recommendation on a topic they know nothing about sits well with you then?

(No idea what the victim mentality comment was all about, bit strange)

Yeh, it happens all the time. Rashford was teaching how to cook. Football managers are asked their opinion on wars. Were you spitting feathers about the Qatar world cup? Or did you recommend our noted public figure footballers shut their mouths and got on with their jobs.
The victim mentality runs throughout this thread. You’ve got dudes saying we should sue Man City and others saying we’re due half a billion! It’s delusional at best! 

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1 hour ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Yeh, it happens all the time. Rashford was teaching how to cook. Football managers are asked their opinion on wars. Were you spitting feathers about the Qatar world cup? Or did you recommend our noted public figure footballers shut their mouths and got on with their jobs.
The victim mentality runs throughout this thread. You’ve got dudes saying we should sue Man City and others saying we’re due half a billion! It’s delusional at best! 

Don’t disagree with much of that,  but just not quite sure how we got to this point, sorry!

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I mean obviously they’re not taking it well, as a fanbase. 
 

but isn’t it also true that it’s a bit of a farce that there isn’t a set/agreed procedure and punishment for these sorts of transgressions? 
 

isnt that what makes it open to interpretation on the whole ‘disproportionate punishment’ or not debate? 
 

 

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58 minutes ago, surrifox said:

All the faux outrage and allegations of corruption . Everton is the very definition of an irony free zone . Please get relegated :fc:

Lets not act like we wouldn't feel the same if it was us.

 

Man City and Chelsea have gotten away with this for years. 

 

Everton have complied with the Premier League and have ended up with a 10 point deduction yet Man City consistently refuse to cooperate and yet the Premier League hands over the Premier League trophy every single May.

 

How can it be right? If Man City don't want to comply then I don't see what the issue is. They should be kicked out of the league.

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13 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

One thing the EFL are good at is imposing penalties the same season of the infringement.

 

The EPL have done this based on "previous" years accounts, if they were as efficient as the EFL, this penalty would have happened last season.

They aren’t. They did exactly the same as the Premier League in the example of Derby County. Which then led two clubs to seek and gain compensation. Both clubs were affected in differing seasons just like the example here 

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I keep hearing the phrase "Disproportionate" from people around the club, I really think the narrative is to plant that seed in everyone's minds by saying the same thing over and over so an appeal eventually reduces it to 5 points. It covers over two more interesting factors, one how their misdemeanour affected other clubs in the relevant seasons, some of which won't benefit from Everton being docked points this season and secondly why has their charge and punishment come before the likes of Man City's?

 

The proportionate argument is a strange one, how do you quantify how many points were gained by fielding squads you couldn't within the rules afford to be fielding or is it a generic 10 point deduction for rule breaking or was it arrived at by any type of formula such as by how much they overspent, how co-operative they were or weren't with the investigation etc. Just shaking your head and saying "Ten points is too many" deserves the response "how is it too many, what's your aggrievance with this".

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3 minutes ago, fazzyfox said:

I keep hearing the phrase "Disproportionate" from people around the club, I really think the narrative is to plant that seed in everyone's minds by saying the same thing over and over so an appeal eventually reduces it to 5 points. It covers over two more interesting factors, one how their misdemeanour affected other clubs in the relevant seasons, some of which won't benefit from Everton being docked points this season and secondly why has their charge and punishment come before the likes of Man City's?

 

The proportionate argument is a strange one, how do you quantify how many points were gained by fielding squads you couldn't within the rules afford to be fielding or is it a generic 10 point deduction for rule breaking or was it arrived at by any type of formula such as by how much they overspent, how co-operative they were or weren't with the investigation etc. Just shaking your head and saying "Ten points is too many" deserves the response "how is it too many, what's your aggrievance with this".

The cooperation "issue" can be compared to admitting to speeding but not thinking you should be fined because you admitted your crime........ what the f... is going on in their heads?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12814917/Burnley-Leeds-Leicester-set-WITHDRAW-plan-sue-Everton.html

 

Burnley, Leeds and Leicester are set to WITHDRAW plan to sue Everton, as aggrieved trio seek negotiated settlement instead following Toffees' 10-point deduction for breaking spending rules

 

Burnley, Leeds and Leicester are set to withdraw their planned claim for compensation against Everton in favour of seeking a negotiated settlement with the club.

 

Mail Sport has learned that the aggrieved clubs have held talks over the last few days ahead of a deadline to make a formal claim to the Premier League’s independent commission, and are leaning towards holding private discussions with Everton.

 

The aggrieved trio first served notice of their intention to sue Everton last May along with Nottingham Forest and Southampton in a letter to the Premier League, with the independent commission chaired by David Phillips KC ruling that they had a potential case. 

 

The commission’s imposition of a 10-point penalty on Everton a fortnight ago initially increased the clubs’ resolve to claim as they would all have avoided relegation from the Premier League had the sanction been applied during the seasons in which Everton were found to have breached spending rules, but following further discussions it appears they may opt to negotiate instead.

 

As previously reported by Mail Sport there are major doubts over Everton’s ability to pay any fine imposed by the commission, as the club are relying on £20million-a-month loans from prospective buyers 777Partners to fund their day-to-day operations, which would leave them facing administration and a further nine-point penalty. 

 

Despite feeling aggrieved by the Premier League’s handling of the matter Burnley, Leeds are Leicester are also conscious of not wanting to be responsible for forcing Everton into administration, a consideration which has influenced their thinking.

 

If Everton agree to negotiate the case would go to arbitration rather than being heard by the Premier League’s independent commission that imposed the 10-point penalty.

 

In addition to seeking to negotiate with Everton the clubs could also bring a claim against the Premier League for alleged failures in their disciplinary process, on the grounds that delaying Everton’s hearing by several months led to them being relegated. 

 

The Premier League did seek to have the case heard last season after charging Everton in March however, but were denied by the commission.

 

In a separate development Everton have submitted their appeal against the 10-point deduction with the hearing expected to be heard next month. The Premier League have committed to concluding the case within the next three months.

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25 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Despite feeling aggrieved by the Premier League’s handling of the matter Burnley, Leeds are Leicester are also conscious of not wanting to be responsible for forcing Everton into administration, a consideration which has influenced their thinking.

This'll be it I assume. 

From a PR point of view, being the 3 to be seen to push a historic club into administration wouldn't go well I assume 

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