Notts F & Everton admit to breaking rules and face points deduction

[Nolucklcfc]

I’m just hoping we are fully done with FFP problems now and that we can spend some coin this summer 

[Lambert09]

forest surely get docked points if their only argument is that they’d have got less money for  johnson if they sold him earlier.

 

Tha would make a mockery of having timelines completely. 

[Gamble92]

3 hours ago, KFS said:

If both Forest and Everton sink while we go up, it’ll feel like a vindication of two years of crap imo. Forest shouldn’t even be up there, let alone their reckless transfer activity. 
 

Everton have been at it for years now.

 

Flush 

I despise Forest with every fibre of my being. But describing their activity as reckless while the big boys get to continuously spend hundreds of millions on shit every single window seems like we are all kind of accepting our place in the football world. 

 

 

[urban.spaceman]

2 hours ago, KFS said:

If both Forest and Everton sink while we go up, it’ll feel like a vindication of two years of crap imo. Forest shouldn’t even be up there, let alone their reckless transfer activity. 
 

Everton have been at it for years now.

 

Flush 

Absolute dream scenario is that actually happens, and we sue the living shit out of Everton and Man City and use it to build a squad that is capable of winning all the trophies that Man City are soon to have taken away.

[urban.spaceman]

Add to that the stadium expansion goes through and they finally swap the Kop and the family stand.

[KFS]

11 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

I despise Forest with every fibre of my being. But describing their activity as reckless while the big boys get to continuously spend hundreds of millions on shit every single window seems like we are all kind of accepting our place in the football world. 

 

 

Forest acting like they’re one of them is a big no no for me though. At least try to set up a model where you spend what you make. They’re plodding around the transfer market like they deserve to be up there. Vile 

[Ric Flair]

It takes some going to breach FFP after only 1 full season in the PL.

[KFS]

6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

It takes some going to breach FFP after only 1 full season in the PL.

Thank you Ric - better articulated than me 

[Bert]

6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

It takes some going to breach FFP after only 1 full season in the PL.

So because it’s a 3 year period and 2 of those years were in the champ, apparently they’re only allowed to lose 61m. 

[KFS]

Just now, Bert said:

So because it’s a 3 year period and 2 of those years were in the champ, apparently they’re only allowed to lose 61m. 

Are we in trouble next year, then?

[Gamble92]

27 minutes ago, KFS said:

Forest acting like they’re one of them is a big no no for me though. At least try to set up a model where you spend what you make. They’re plodding around the transfer market like they deserve to be up there. Vile 

I still think they'll go down regardless

[Chrysalis]

10 hours ago, Fox85 said:

Nottingham Forest 'at risk of Premier League points deduction' but Everton may also suffer

Everton have already been punished by the Premier League and Nottingham Forest may now follow suit.

 

Nottingham Forest are reportedly deemed to be at high risk of a Premier League points deduction after years of frivolous spending on transfer fees and wages. Everton could also be punished - for the second time this season - as authorities mull over another charge for breaching profit and sustainability rules.

 

The Toffees were slapped with the biggest sporting punishment in Premier League history back in November, when a 10-point penalty sent them tumbling into the relegation zone. Sean Dyche's side have rallied since to lift themselves out of trouble, but more turbulence could be on the horizon.

 

Nottingham Forest are reportedly deemed to be at high risk of a Premier League points deduction after years of frivolous spending on transfer fees and wages. Everton could also be punished - for the second time this season - as authorities mull over another charge for breaching profit and sustainability rules.

 

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Everton's first charge related to a breach of profit and sustainability rules, with clubs permitted to lose a maximum of £105million over a three-year period. There are fears they could be hit with a second charge for a similar infringement after accounts for 2022/23 were submitted on December 31.

 

According to The Times, experts believe that Forest are also in the firing line after following up their big-spending Championship promotion push with a blockbuster sequence of transfers to keep them in the top flight.

 

Due to Forest spending two of the past three years in the EFL, they are only permitted under Premier League rules to lose a maximum of £61m across that period. They spent close to that exact figure during their final two seasons in the Championship. And although their revenue will have surged by earning a spot in the Premier League, a raft of new signings and the lucrative contracts accompanying them undoubtedly stung the Tricky Trees' finances.

 

Forest and Everton, as well as any other club in possible danger, will discover by January 14 whether they face Premier League charges. Two weeks will then be granted to respond, and any subsequent hearing by an independent commission will be completed by early April so that potential points deductions can be applied this season.

 

Everton have already appealed the 10-point deduction handed down late last year, with the club 'shocked and disappointed' by the severity of the punishment. The Merseyside outfit and Forest are both currently in relegation danger.

 

 

Well it states its for 2022/23 how is that fast tracked? its a season too late.

[Chrysalis]

9 hours ago, KFS said:

If both Forest and Everton sink while we go up, it’ll feel like a vindication of two years of crap imo. Forest shouldn’t even be up there, let alone their reckless transfer activity. 
 

Everton have been at it for years now.

 

Flush 

Sadly the reality will be they get the deductions in probably the safest EPL season for a decade, as all 3 teams who came up have been really poor.  Also in both cases a season after when the offences happened.

[The Doctor]

25 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Well it states its for 2022/23 how is that fast tracked? its a season too late.

Because the accounts weren't due until December 2023? Can't fill in accounts for a particular season before that season finishes??

[CrazyKopCorner]

7 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Add to that the stadium expansion goes through and they finally swap the Kop and the family stand.

That my friend is fuching genius 

[stretch1965]

7 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Add to that the stadium expansion goes through and they finally swap the Kop and the family stand.

Is the family stand easier to get out of on 85 minutes, asking for a friend..........

[Fox85]

1 hour ago, Chrysalis said:

Well it states its for 2022/23 how is that fast tracked? its a season too late.

Honestly I'm not sure maybe because they are trying to clamp down on it 🤔 

[filthyfox]

We're not gonna sue anyone!

[Bert]

9 hours ago, KFS said:

Are we in trouble next year, then?

I would doubt it. Parachute payments, £75m in transfers fees, probably £25m off the wage bill. 

[Ric Flair]

11 hours ago, Bert said:

So because it’s a 3 year period and 2 of those years were in the champ, apparently they’re only allowed to lose 61m. 

It's hard to understand how they keep on top of all this. The EFL have different criteria than the PL and they don't tend to interfere with one another. 

 

That said, they signed over 20 players last season and regardless of amortisation over 5+ years, they will have spent a fortune.

[sylofox]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

It's hard to understand how they keep on top of all this. The EFL have different criteria than the PL and they don't tend to interfere with one another. 

 

That said, they signed over 20 players last season and regardless of amortisation over 5+ years, they will have spent a fortune.

It seems wages are the main problem prior to last season.

 

So the expansion of the squad and higher wages is what's done it.

If they go down this season surely they will be in trouble next season in the championship.

[Ric Flair]

3 minutes ago, sylofox said:

It seems wages are the main problem prior to last season.

 

So the expansion of the squad and higher wages is what's done it.

If they go down this season surely they will be in trouble next season in the championship.

It was wages I always thought newly promoted teams had a really large amount of leg room on but things may have changed. 

 

It's getting harder and harder to push things to the maximum. I don't condone over spending but can see how clubs do it, it's the nature of the beast that they are all caught up in in the PL.

[StriderHiryu]

12 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Absolute dream scenario is that actually happens, and we sue the living shit out of Everton and Man City and use it to build a squad that is capable of winning all the trophies that Man City are soon to have taken away.

I feel like things are lining up for something like this to happen. It's funny because our relegation was 100% self-inflicted, the club didn't act to remove Rodgers fast enough, even two more games earlier probably would have made the difference. But at the same time, that season it we could not spend due to FFP, whereas other clubs did. Forest signed like 25+ players that same season. Leicester City would be well within their right to sue the shit out of those clubs / the league if we adhered to the rules and others didn't.

 

Given the stakes of the Premier League, it's not outrageous to suggest we could end up with quite a big windfall as a result, though it would probably take years to go through various courts.

 

I think we will end up with a pretty decent chunk of change from all this, given the precedent of West Ham paying Sheffield United 30M after the Tevez affair.

[Chelmofox]

3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

It was wages I always thought newly promoted teams had a really large amount of leg room on but things may have changed. 

 

It's getting harder and harder to push things to the maximum. I don't condone over spending but can see how clubs do it, it's the nature of the beast that they are all caught up in in the PL.

There is taking it to the max, and then there is being completely reckless. Paying something like £115k a week for Lingard and Navas £200k a week (to name 2) was spending way out of their league.  They were gambling rather than building. Ironically, the Navas gamble might have been the one that saved them from relegation.

[coolhandfox]

Forest have spent around £270m in two windows.

 

22/23 168m

23/24 102m

 

Excluding wages and loan fees, that's just transfers fee.

 

To put that into context out highest spend in one season in 9 pl seasons was 98m.

 

It took us 4 season to spend the same amount.

Edited 3 January by coolhandfox
Forget to convert one of the figures to pounds