Notts F & Everton admit to breaking rules and face points deduction

[whoareyaaa]

5 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

Seen it all now - Spurs fan saying we're the reason FFP exists

We did break the Matrix

[Matt]

5 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

Seen it all now - Spurs fan saying we're the reason FFP exists

Do they mean our history regarding administration or do they mean upsetting the establishment by winning the league.

 

If they mean the latter I somewhat agree.

 

Afterall: "We don't want too many Leicester Citys"

 

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"We don't want too many Leicester Citys."

These were the words spoken by a senior figure from the Premier League's 'big six' clubs, in the kind of high-end London hotel you can easily imagine.

"Football history suggests fans like big teams winning", the offical continued, to the group of business people and media figures present. "A certain amount of unpredictability is good, but a more democratic league would be bad for business."

How modern football became broken beyond repair | The Independent | The Independent

(Feb 2020)

[Product of 84]

The Man City issue just becomes more ludicrous and unjustifiable every time they win something else. Pep winning an award the other night for instance. Well of course he is a great coach, he has the very best players at his disposal.

 

Everton only got 10 points when they did because the timing of it didn't effect anything. Nothing changed. The timing still gave them the chance to still survive. I think this is why Man City hasn't been touched yet. If they sanctioned them now- let's say 100 points, what point would there be in them fulfilling their fixtures properly. They could simply roll up into fixtures with their B Team or youth team and concentrate on the cups and Champions League. Therefore, I'd imagine it will be the Summer when they are sanctioned. 

 

Further points sanctions to Everton and a sanction for Forest works best if not delayed. 

[gurru991]

12 hours ago, Saxondale said:

You think Todd Boehly knows what he’s doing? The man who proposed they play a 4-4-3 formation? 
 

Chelsea's backroom boys who balance the books know what they are doing. I don't think Todd is doing the paperwork 

Forest knew they that they had to sell Johnson by a certain date but failed to do so . Amateur Hour Shite !!

[coolhandfox]

6 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

Seen it all now - Spurs fan saying we're the reason FFP exists

Richard Master chief executive of the Premier League has said it was brought in because of Portsmouth.

[fox_up_north]

Just further evidence of bias, really. Some teams just have it in for us and like to throw blame. That it's come from a Spurs fan is no surprise. 

[ALC Fox]

3 hours ago, Matt said:

Do they mean our history regarding administration or do they mean upsetting the establishment by winning the league.

 

If they mean the latter I somewhat agree.

 

Afterall: "We don't want too many Leicester Citys"

 

How modern football became broken beyond repair | The Independent | The Independent

(Feb 2020)

Incredible isn't it. Him saying that fans tend to prefer big teams winning is literally just because watching good teams play brilliant football is entertaining for neutrals.

 

It doesn't really matter, I think, whether those teams are the traditional big clubs or not. Whatever you think about Man City, some of their football is among the best I've ever seen, and I can enjoy it as a neutral but they're not one of the traditional big clubs. Yet their success and money has propelled them into that bracket.

 

Who's to say tonight's FA Cup headline grabbers Bristol City, with their billionaire owner, couldn't do a similar thing? Or at least get up, stay up and eventually win the thing. It isn't likely, but it could happen. And something like that, something like our title win, or even just a different name winning the Premier League - like one of the old school big teams, such as Everton or Villa - just has narrative and a bit more romance than the same teams winning the league year after year after year.

 

I don't want to see Man City winning the title 3 years out of 4 with the other one going to Liverpool ad infinitum, regardless of how much I enjoy their brand of football as a neutral. I want to see other stories being written, other clubs punching above their weight and seeing if they can get a foot on the ladder.

 

Mostly I want to see Leicester City winning it again, obviously. But otherwise I want to see sport, competition and lots teams genuinely fighting for something instead of the same few.

 

I hope most fans feel a similar way, and not in the way that executive thought.

Edited 16 January by ALC Fox

[urban.spaceman]

12 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

“Don’t punish the fans” is the worst argument in football.

 

Being relegated because we had to put up with Amartey instead of Fofana is pretty punishing. 

 

3 hours ago, Bilo said:

It is genuinely ludicrous.

 

Why not cancel all relegation and give everyone a trophy so the poor fans don't get punished?

 

If anything, fans of other clubs have been punished because Forest and Everton flouted the rules and their clubs didn't. 

 

It's deeply amusing to me that the fans making the argument are Everton fans.

 

Like, who the ****ing **** do you think you are?

 

What entitles you to have your club protected from accountability?

 

What the **** makes Everton so special?

 

*****.

[Jattdogg]

2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

It's deeply amusing to me that the fans making the argument are Everton fans.

 

Like, who the ****ing **** do you think you are?

 

What entitles you to have your club protected from accountability?

 

What the **** makes Everton so special?

 

*****.

Think you've gone in too easy.  Roid rage it mate, give us your best!

[Number 6]

Isn't it a bit mad that FFP windows don't align with transfer windows closing?

[coolhandfox]

11 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

Isn't it a bit mad that FFP windows don't align with transfer windows closing?

No, what would the advantage be? 

 

It's aligned to financial accounting periods.

 

Clubs just need to follow the rules.

 

 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

15 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

No, what would the advantage be? 

 

It's aligned to financial accounting periods.

 

Clubs just need to follow the rules.

 

 

I thought the accounting periods had moved so decisions to punishments could be taken in-season - hence the recent announcements.

[Finnegan]

12 hours ago, Product of 84 said:

The Man City issue just becomes more ludicrous and unjustifiable every time they win something else. Pep winning an award the other night for instance. Well of course he is a great coach, he has the very best players at his disposal.

 

Everton only got 10 points when they did because the timing of it didn't effect anything. Nothing changed. The timing still gave them the chance to still survive. I think this is why Man City hasn't been touched yet. If they sanctioned them now- let's say 100 points, what point would there be in them fulfilling their fixtures properly. They could simply roll up into fixtures with their B Team or youth team and concentrate on the cups and Champions League. Therefore, I'd imagine it will be the Summer when they are sanctioned. 

 

Further points sanctions to Everton and a sanction for Forest works best if not delayed. 

 

I know I've made this point a few times recently, probably including this thread, but I have no problem (in the context of FFP) with Man City winning stuff and I don't give a shit if they broke X or Y FFP guideline. 

 

The whole thing is hypocritical and senseless. Man City have resources only surpassed by Newcastle, they've got some of the wealthiest owners on the planet. Yet despite this they can't spend as much as United, Liverpool or even Arsenal because they don't sell as many shirts in China, America or Japan? It's ridiculous. It's hypocritical, protectionist shit designed to keep the old guard at the top table. 

 

FFP is a misnomer, it shouldn't ever have been called Fair Play it should have been called something like Sustainability or Responsible Management Rules. It's supposed to be about protecting football clubs (and by clubs I mean the institutions themselves, the fans, the cities, the staff, everything) from irresponsible, self interested owners and investors. 

 

Everton and Forest are spending disgusting amounts of money that they don't have. This is the difference. There is no threat to Manchester City's existence brought on by their owners, like them or not they're a paragon of good business practice. But Everton and Forest are suicidal and moronic in their management. 

 

Taking my Leicester cap off and being as neutral as I can, though, I don't necessarily think that points deductions, expulsions and fines are the best approach. Especially in the case of a repeat offender which is what Everton will be. What I'd really like to see is actual law, law put in place by government, that empowers the government and the FA to work together to force bad owners out with a much lower threshold than now. 

 

Everton's owners have been proven not fit for purpose and, frankly, so have Forest's. They're saddling the club with mountains and mountains of debt and the worst part is it'll all be in the club's name through a mess of loans. When the shit hits the fan they'll be able to sell up and walk away with more millions, it'll be the clubs that are left behind fvcked. If the government can force Chelsea to be sold and strip Abramovich of ownership because of Ukraine, Everton and Forest's owners could and should be forced to sell up for the sakes of protecting those ancient clubs as major UK cultural institutions because right now they're being held hostage. 

 

[Saxondale]

This whole ‘big six’ thing, I’ve been thinking:

 

* Are they just set in stone forever now, because Sky Sports decided one day?

* Is it the big seven now that Newcastle have their blood money?

* How many years would Chelsea / Man Utd / Tottenham have to be woeful before they would no longer be considered ‘big six’?

* Can somebody else do a Man City and come in with new money and break into the elite club? Is Bahrain going to buy Sheffield Wednesday?
* How many years would somebody like Villa or us or Everton or Palace have to finish in the top six before we would be considered ‘big six’?

* Covering old ground here, but why were Tottenham considered big six in the first place? They never win a sausage, and rarely come close.

Part of me wonders if it would be better if these lot frigged off to the Super League so they can just play each other every week for no reason (I can’t think of anything more  boring). If they want to be an ‘elite’ group participating in some NBA-style closed competition, maybe we should leave them to it, and they can leave actual football to the rest of us. 
 

Bit of this happens, it needs to be clear that they’re on their own. FIFA / UEFA shouldn’t recognise it as a legit competition and they should be responsible for their own development of the laws of the game. Full-on code split. 

[Daggers]

15 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Everton's owners have been proven not fit for purpose and, frankly, so have Forest's. They're saddling the club with mountains and mountains of debt and the worst part is it'll all be in the club's name through a mess of loans. When the shit hits the fan they'll be able to sell up and walk away with more millions, it'll be the clubs that are left behind fvcked. If the government can force Chelsea to be sold and strip Abramovich of ownership because of Ukraine, Everton and Forest's owners could and should be forced to sell up for the sakes of protecting those ancient clubs as major UK cultural institutions because right now they're being held hostage. 

 

I completely agree. Except for removing their owners.

 

Brilliant, isn’t it. I can’t wait for Forest and Everton to be fvcked for the next 1,000 years.

[Finnegan]

2 minutes ago, Daggers said:

I completely agree. Except for removing their owners.

 

Brilliant, isn’t it. I can’t wait for Forest and Everton to be fvcked for the next 1,000 years.

 

Yeah I mean, look, with my Leicester hat on I'd love to see Everton and Forest playing Boston in National League North. 

 

But trying to be as neutral as possible, it's completely amoral that billionaires who don't even live in this county can risk the very existence of football clubs that aren't just a business they're communities in and of themselves and ones that are deeply rooted in both the culture but also the economy of their local areas. 

 

The wider ripple effect if Everton cease to exist would be tragic, as much as I'd no doubt get enjoy the schadenfreude with my Leicester hat back on cos football fans are petty, tribal twats and I'm not above that. 

 

[Daggers]

8 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Yeah I mean, look, with my Leicester hat on I'd love to see Everton and Forest playing Boston in National League North. 

 

But trying to be as neutral as possible, it's completely amoral that billionaires who don't even live in this county can risk the very existence of football clubs that aren't just a business they're communities in and of themselves and ones that are deeply rooted in both the culture but also the economy of their local areas. 

 

The wider ripple effect if Everton cease to exist would be tragic, as much as I'd no doubt get enjoy the schadenfreude with my Leicester hat back on cos football fans are petty, tribal twats and I'm not above that. 

 

The sooner it happens and the more clubs get ruined the better, and the sooner football will return to some sense of normality and we’ll fvck billionaires off out the game.

 

If your team is dicking about in a preseason tournament on the other side of the planet, you have to buy the right to buy tickets, and it’s social media page is full of comments from Southern hemisphere religious nutjobs, your club is no longer part of any local community. It needs burning to the ground.

[Les-TA-Jon]

Just now, Daggers said:

The sooner it happens and the more clubs get ruined the better, and the sooner football will return to some sense of normality and we’ll fvck billionaires off out the game.

 

If your team is dicking about in a preseason tournament on the other side of the planet, you have to buy the right to buy tickets, and it’s social media page is full of comments from Southern hemisphere religious nutjobs, your club is no longer part of any local community. It needs burning to the ground.

Pretty sure this applies to us, with the Thailand connection. 

 

It's an interesting debate, but it kinda comes across as 'old men yell at clouds' sort of thing. And incredibly gatekeepery. Reality is, English football has gone global.  

 

Say there was a contingent of passionate LCFC fans in the USA, who for whatever reason (maybe historical connection, family connection, used to live near Leicester, randomly picked Leicester as 'their' team when young etc etc) supported the club, what should they do? Not support the club? Should they not be 'allowed' to support? Are they somehow lesser fans than those that live nearer? 

 

What about Leicester fans who have always lived in the UK but don't have a season ticket and have little to no hope of ever attending matches? 

[Daggers]

2 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Pretty sure this applies to us, with the Thailand connection. 

 

It does.

 

KPFC needs ripping apart. It has consumed LCFC’s soul and spat it out as overpriced shit in the fan store. As has almost every club in the top two flights. It’s a tower of cards that needs blowing over.

 

Is it bollocks as like “gatekeeping”. Clubs were key community assets that belong back embedded in the local community - that has piss all to do with some random American “fan”.

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 minute ago, Daggers said:

It does.

 

KPFC needs ripping apart. It has consumed LCFC’s soul and spat it out as overpriced shit in the fan store. As has almost every club in the top two flights. It’s a tower of cards that needs blowing over.

 

Is it bollocks as like “gatekeeping”. Clubs were key community assets that belong back embedded in the local community - that has piss all to do with some random American “fan”.

I agree about the commercialistion of football clubs and the King Powerisation of Leicester, for sure. But it's simply a reality of the industry - so 1) we're not outliers and 2) I'm not sure what the alternative is?

 

So you do think fans of LCFC should be 'controlled' then? 

 

What's your criteria? Location of birth? Demonstration of a current/past family member being a supporter? Only if you physically attend matches? 

[Greg2607]

6 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

I agree about the commercialistion of football clubs and the King Powerisation of Leicester, for sure. But it's simply a reality of the industry - so 1) we're not outliers and 2) I'm not sure what the alternative is?

 

So you do think fans of LCFC should be 'controlled' then? 

 

What's your criteria? Location of birth? Demonstration of a current/past family member being a supporter? Only if you physically attend matches? 

for a start..... I don't think i should have to buy 3 memberships to buy tickets to see Leicester Play.   ESPECIALLY where the stadium isn't sold out.  That is where the club has lost the plot. 

[Daggers]

1 minute ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

I agree about the commercialistion of football clubs and the King Powerisation of Leicester, for sure. But it's simply a reality of the industry - so 1) we're not outliers and 2) I'm not sure what the alternative is?

 

So you do think fans of LCFC should be 'controlled' then? 

 

What's your criteria? Location of birth? Demonstration of a current/past family member being a supporter? Only if you physically attend matches? 

Eh? I have no clue what you’re on about.

 

I’m talking about the corruption of the game and how clubs have been uprooted from their communities as they chased the globalised dollar - and you’re cracking on about the “control” of fans? 

[Daggers]

3 minutes ago, Greg2607 said:

for a start..... I don't think i should have to buy 3 memberships to buy tickets to see Leicester Play.   ESPECIALLY where the stadium isn't sold out.  That is where the club has lost the plot. 

No one should have to buy memberships. All tickets should go on general sale. No ticket should cost more than £20. Standing and singing should be encouraged. Shirts should not change annually and reflect the pennies it cost to make them. And if you live in Burkina Faso then fvck off and support RC Bobo Dioulasso.

[Les-TA-Jon]

2 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Eh? I have no clue what you’re on about.

 

I’m talking about the corruption of the game and how clubs have been uprooted from their communities as they chased the globalised dollar - and you’re cracking on about the “control” of fans? 

You were talking about the commercialisation of football clubs. I agree with you - in that, the commercialisation of football clubs makes them a lot more soulless, less distinct from one another and of course has bad outcomes for fans. In addition LCFC has particularly been slowly changed from Leicester City Football Club to King Power Football Club. I don't like any of that. 

 

But you specifically mentioned Leicester fans from 'elsewhere' - which I presumed you meant you didn't like 'international' or otherwise 'non-genuine' Leicester fans. Which I think is a related but separate issue to the commercialisation one. Maybe I misinterpreted you but I thought you were coming across as a gatekeeper and saying that certain people 'shouldn't' be Leicester fans...

[Saxondale]

I think commercialisation is inevitable, but it all needs dialling back a bit. The root cause of our replica shirts costing £65 is the fact that player wages and transfer fees grow without restraint, egged on by the media and fans hungry for transfers (let’s be honest, transfers are as much part of the entertainment as the game itself these days) and owners with bottomless pockets.

 

It’s not realistic to enforce pay cuts on footballers, but we can do some things to curb the excessive financial growth in the game.

 

Hypothetically, we could abolish transfer fees. I wouldn’t be against that.

 

We can cap wages going forward, or cap overall wage budgets. We can limit squad sizes. 
 

Fans should be able to buy a shirt for £25,  attend a game for £20 or have the option to watch it on a club- provided stream at home for about five quid. 
 

Sky, BT et al can frig off.

 

 

 

 

Edited 17 January by Saxondale