Notts F & Everton admit to breaking rules and face points deduction

[AKCJ]

12 hours ago, Lionator said:

Do Forest simply not care? 4 more deadline day signings for them.

Forest actually sell their players as opposed to letting them stay for the duration of their contract and letting them walk for free.

[FrankieADZ]

2 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Forest actually sell their players as opposed to letting them stay for the duration of their contract and letting them walk for free.

tbf they actually accept bids for their players; we have a dof who from the looks of it would have a hard time opening an email so we sort of have a problem

Edited 2 February by FrankieADZ

[Gamble92]

38 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Forest actually sell their players as opposed to letting them stay for the duration of their contract and letting them walk for free.

As shit as some aspects of our dealings are, there's nothing about Forest's that make me envious 

[urban.spaceman]

Whoops. 

[coolhandfox]

Interesting listening to Stefan Borson on Skysports talking about Everton and Chelsea regarding FFP.

 

 

[UniFox21]

Just now, coolhandfox said:

Interesting listening to Stefan Borson on Skysports talking about Everton and Chelsea regarding FFP.

 

 

The fact that clubs took FFP as a joke until Everton got fined and deducted. 

Half feel for them that they're the scape goat in terms of the rulings. But same time, about time the FA grew some balls 

[coolhandfox]

14 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

The fact that clubs took FFP as a joke until Everton got fined and deducted. 

Half feel for them that they're the scape goat in terms of the rulings. But same time, about time the FA grew some balls 

They are the first of many.

[BoyJones]

On 31/01/2024 at 06:35, CosbehFox said:

Can’t be applied to CAS, apparently the clubs signed up to that in their charter 

Could they challenge the legality of the charter. They could say they had no choice but to sign away an avenue of possible support or assistance. Any business that makes you sign something to your possible disadvantage is a bit suspect to say the least.

 

I’m not sure now, but I believe in the early days of UEFA, teams had to sign an undertaking never to take UEFA to court.
 

Whilst FFP seems on the face of it a good thing, stopping countries like Saudi just taking over teams and spending endless cash and basically ending football as we know it,  it does fly in the face of EU competition rules. Denying a business the right to invest as it sees fit. 
 

I can’t see Man City ever being punished, but can see UEFA facing serious financial problems if the Man City saga drags on for years and years. 

[urban.spaceman]

 

[Chrysalis]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

This is what happens when any breach isnt punished quickly.  Everton should have been deducted last season, and Forest this season (if guilty).

Manchester City's breach I can see being a huge problem, those who missed out on the title, we missed out on the CL, and of course also concerns for clubs who lost players to them, again us with Mahrez.  Whilst we got the financial compensation, it still caused us issues with a unsettled player.

The whole thing becomes far less complicated if it was a proper simple wage cap, get rid of all the based on revenue nonsense.

Edited 5 February by Chrysalis

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 hour ago, Chrysalis said:

This is what happens when any breach isnt punished quickly.  Everton should have been deducted last season, and Forest this season (if guilty).

Manchester City's breach I can see being a huge problem, those who missed out on the title, we missed out on the CL, and of course also concerns for clubs who lost players to them, again us with Mahrez.  Whilst we got the financial compensation, it still caused us issues with a unsettled player.

The whole thing becomes far less complicated if it was a proper simple wage cap, get rid of all the based on revenue nonsense.

Thing is, if you introduce wage and spending caps - then unless they're small enough to be a leveller - then the big clubs still remain the big clubs. 

 

And the PL would never vote it in anyway, because they'd then (over time) lose the big players to the european leagues

[BertFill]

1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Thing is, if you introduce wage and spending caps - then unless they're small enough to be a leveller - then the big clubs still remain the big clubs. 

On the whole the big clubs pretty much always have remained the big clubs though. Nobody's ever been able to join their big club club without finding a sugar daddy. Once upon a time the sugar daddy would be a successful local butcher or builder, now it's more likely to be a dictator from an oil-rich state, but it's still the same setup, even if the numbers involved have got a bit bigger.

[KFS]

3 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

Look at the freaks in the replies saying we financially doped and used steroids to win the Prem. Fans will say ****ing anything won’t they  

[davieG]

On 02/02/2024 at 23:10, UniFox21 said:

The fact that clubs took FFP as a joke until Everton got fined and deducted. 

Half feel for them that they're the scape goat in terms of the rulings. But same time, about time the FA grew some balls 

I think it's the PL nothing to do with the FA. The PL and EFL make up their own FFP rules.

[Ric Flair]

I listened to talksport over the weekend and there was a journalist on from one of the Liverpool local rags. They were moaning that one of the problems is the time it takes for all this to be finalised and its unacceptable for the current process.

 

How else could it be done given clubs delay as long as possible by putting in appeals (what Everton did to prevent it being confirmed last season) and then appeal again which is now the cause of it still being resolved.

 

How about don't appeal and accept it then?

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 hour ago, BertFill said:

On the whole the big clubs pretty much always have remained the big clubs though. Nobody's ever been able to join their big club club without finding a sugar daddy. Once upon a time the sugar daddy would be a successful local butcher or builder, now it's more likely to be a dictator from an oil-rich state, but it's still the same setup, even if the numbers involved have got a bit bigger.

The point is, the Man City and Chelsea of today couldn't exist if the current rules had been in place back then. That's why Newcastle can't simply buy their way in. 

 

A wage bill and spending cap would be the most fair thing to introduce. But:

 

1) the PL wouldn't vote it in because they'd then lose competitiveness with european leagues and

 

2) where do you set the cap? Top PL sides have a wage bill of approx £200m. If you set the cap below that, they'd never vote for it and would they appeal to UK/European law for restriction of trade? If you set it to accommodate the top sides, then it makes no functional difference, since the big clubs will continue spending £200m a year on wages and smaller clubs can't afford close to that

 

Clearly, all of this is a complex issue and demonstrably there hasn't been a 'quick, simple and fair' solution yet has there? 

[Lambert09]

5 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

what i’m expecting to happen, is that the premier league rolls over. The two clubs get a financial spanking and everyone lives on ignoring it 

[HybridFox]

12 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

what i’m expecting to happen, is that the premier league rolls over. The two clubs get a financial spanking and everyone lives on ignoring it 

Sad but true. There's no way Man City are getting relegated even though they SHOULD be made to start in League Two akin to what Rangers got in Scotland

Edited 5 February by HybridFox

[cruzFOX]

PL can’t back down now. They’ve come too far. You can the effect their actions have had already. Every club is now doing their accounts on a regular basis to stay above board. Transfer window wasn’t a mad house as usual with cash being thrown around like silly money. This summer will be the true test.

 

my question is why would they wait until the end of the season to sanction Everton & Forest. It not only than affects the PL standings but also the leagues below in terms of who gets promoted & relegated.

they have to be fined this season and the points adjustment made quickly.

[ajthefox]

38 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

The point is, the Man City and Chelsea of today couldn't exist if the current rules had been in place back then. That's why Newcastle can't simply buy their way in. 

 

A wage bill and spending cap would be the most fair thing to introduce. But:

 

1) the PL wouldn't vote it in because they'd then lose competitiveness with european leagues and

 

2) where do you set the cap? Top PL sides have a wage bill of approx £200m. If you set the cap below that, they'd never vote for it and would they appeal to UK/European law for restriction of trade? If you set it to accommodate the top sides, then it makes no functional difference, since the big clubs will continue spending £200m a year on wages and smaller clubs can't afford close to that

 

Clearly, all of this is a complex issue and demonstrably there hasn't been a 'quick, simple and fair' solution yet has there? 

I think your first point is the most salient one, as there would be clubs like Villa, Newcastle (and us historically) challenging for european spots who may well vote against it also.

Re where I think the thing you haven't mentioned is that without one it just keeps going up. If you set the cap at a number, the bigger teams couldn't just keep increasing their wages and slowly over time, other clubs would creep closer to the limit.

There was a post on here I saw last week saying we won something like £40m more last year than in our title season. If incomes continue to go that way then all clubs will come closer to being able to spent up to the limit.

[BertFill]

47 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Man City and Chelsea of today couldn't exist if the current rules had been in place back then. That's why Newcastle can't simply buy their way in. 

Well, they can, and are, it just takes a couple of years longer than it would have done!

[orangecity23]

My modest proposal for a fairer financial system in top flight football - I call it the plastic twat tax. For every replica shirt sold worldwide for a big 6 team, 50% extra should be added on to the price and redistributed to all other clubs. This is to set a precedent that being a glory hunting little man utd nobber from London/Torquay/Wales/Rest of World is not acceptable, and incentivise parents to make sure their kids get into football properly instead of taking the easy childish option of supporting some horrible big 6 club as an alternative to having a personality of their own.

 

Every Tottenham fan who mentions championship ffp breaches online in reference to our title win will result in a 10 million pound anti stupidity tax payment being due from Spurs to support Championship clubs.

 

Every match that Sky Sports or Tnt sports televise featuring the big 6 should come with a proviso that the broadcaster must pay for free online streams to fans of away teams for all 3pm Saturday kick offs in the Prem and Football League, plus pay the standard broadcast fees that they would give the big 6 to all the other home teams. This will help to prevent any loss of revenue due to piracy that the broadcasters and Prem are very concerned about, and help focus their minds on the fact that they are clearly too stupid to realise they won't actually accept money from fans to watch the games legally, whilst making it clear to them there is a cost to be paid for their inflation of the number of glory hunting big 6 fans.

 

Finally, a luxury extra high vat rate should be chargeable on any toiletries or other products that advertise using big 6teams and players in every ad break during televised football - which should hopefully lead to an end to Nivea Liverpool ads or Mason mount sure deodorant commercials. Or that shit Klopp beer ad. The revenue from this should go into supporting grass roots football.

 

 

[Footballwipe]

Again to reiterate to Everton fans, if you think the league is so corrupt why are you still in it? Escape to the sanctity of the EFL and renounce your promotions should you ever get them. Stop holding your sad little cards and wearing your weird hoodies and do something. Resign from the Premier League.

 

The crying and wailing over this is absolutely unhinged. These rules are fine until they're applied to you then it's wrong and corrupt. Misrepresenting and misunderstanding the huge complexities of the Man City case, also, is really annoying.

 

 

[MPH]

I know people say we are a badly run club/ Rudkin is a tosser and its not abut FFP, ect... but i think the simple fact we haven't been forced to sell the likes of KDH/faes  and are able to bounce straight back up is a testament to the fact we are NOT a badly run club. Even if we did overstretch a bit..

[MPH]

5 minutes ago, orangecity23 said:

My modest proposal for a fairer financial system in top flight football - I call it the plastic twat tax. For every replica shirt sold worldwide for a big 6 team, 50% extra should be added on to the price and redistributed to all other clubs. This is to set a precedent that being a glory hunting little man utd nobber from London/Torquay/Wales/Rest of World is not acceptable, and incentivise parents to make sure their kids get into football properly instead of taking the easy childish option of supporting some horrible big 6 club as an alternative to having a personality of their own.

 

Every Tottenham fan who mentions championship ffp breaches online in reference to our title win will result in a 10 million pound anti stupidity tax payment being due from Spurs to support Championship clubs.

 

Every match that Sky Sports or Tnt sports televise featuring the big 6 should come with a proviso that the broadcaster must pay for free online streams to fans of away teams for all 3pm Saturday kick offs in the Prem and Football League, plus pay the standard broadcast fees that they would give the big 6 to all the other home teams. This will help to prevent any loss of revenue due to piracy that the broadcasters and Prem are very concerned about, and help focus their minds on the fact that they are clearly too stupid to realise they won't actually accept money from fans to watch the games legally, whilst making it clear to them there is a cost to be paid for their inflation of the number of glory hunting big 6 fans.

 

Finally, a luxury extra high vat rate should be chargeable on any toiletries or other products that advertise using big 6teams and players in every ad break during televised football - which should hopefully lead to an end to Nivea Liverpool ads or Mason mount sure deodorant commercials. Or that shit Klopp beer ad. The revenue from this should go into supporting grass roots football.

 

 

 

 

OrangeCity23 for president of the free world!