Blue Cards for Sin-Bins

[fazzyfox]

My Sunday School reckoned it was ten blue = 1 red, 10 red = 1 yellow, 10 yellow = a bible. So if / when Fernandez puts his hands on the ref or Rodri brings someone down on the halfway line they'll get a blue, miss ten minutes, return, maybe get a yellow which will automatically mean a red and by April qualify for a bible . 

 

Why don't we just throw in a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card from monopoly for certain big 6 favourites, a card from Charades to be performed, if team mates guess correctly then he's saved from the sin bin, a Joker to be shown to Danny Ward if he ever steps foot on the pitch again and a different card from happy families every week to see who can complete a set first?  

[ajthefox]

In principle I've no issue with it, but as others have said the real problem we have is about implementation of the laws not the laws themselves.

 

It would probably be a shit show. We refereeing to be harsher on time wasting, diving, dissent etc and for them to be more consistent.

[Jordan]

17 hours ago, rugbyblue said:  

The beauty of football used to be it was the same game for kids on Sunday parks, dust pitches in Africa or a makeshift wasteground pitch in rio as it was in the world cup final and it became the most popular game on earth.  

 

17 hours ago, Foxmeister said:

 

The great thing about football when I was growing up was the game was the same in a primary school game as it was in the World Cup. For me, the further it moves away from that the worse it will become.

What’s a little ironic about these opinions are while they are certainly fair in general, they may not completely apply in this case as the blue card trial was originally something rolled out on a grassroots level.

 

There does seem to be a problem with dissent and abuse in amateur football and until recently, there were few solid platforms and tools for protecting referees. 
 

Whether or not this is a crisis in top level senior professional football is probably a subjective opinion, but I can’t stand how often the way players often react to every decision (especially when the “big clubs” play). On top of that, you have managers haranguing fourth officials and I don’t think I need to explain just how absurd that is.

 

The yellow card is a tool that refs should perhaps use more to counter dissent, but I feel like the yellow card’s weight (for dissent and for discouraging “professional fouls”) has dropped a little in recent years in professional football now that teams can make 5 subs per match.

 

My preferred idea (which was suggested to the England and Wales FAs + IFAB but not taken up) is to only allow captains to discuss decisions with referees. I’m not sold on the blue card idea for cynical fouls (much like I’m rarely sold on anything IFAB recommend) but at least in this case I can’t fault them for trying to think creatively to improve the game.

[notnow john]

Before they introduce another level of subjectivity please sort out -

 VAR

The handball rule

The Wrestling (which isn’t allowed anywhere else on the pitch) at set pieces .

 

[goody2028]

2 hours ago, pleatout said:

Sorry to be pedantic.  They are laws. Refs have very little to do with rules.

Alright Swarbrick

[old koppite]

5 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

To be fair the top levels of the game do have an increasing problem of dissent, cynical fouls, shirt pulling and time wasting. 

 

We've all seen it, how teams look to commit fouls in just the 'right' area of the pitch to stop a transition/counter but not get a yellow. Or when players commit a cynical foul to stop a break and either don't get carded because they're a 'nice' player (Winks...) or they do but then another player takes the mantle for performing that kind of foul. 

 

But I don't think Blue cards and sin bins are the solution.

 

Why not just ask Refs to actually implement the existing rules?

 

Dissent? Yellow

Cynical foul on the transition? Yellow - regardless of who's doing it or where it is on the pitch

Time wasting? Yellow

 

And I wish Refs would stop giving 2nd yellows as if it's a red. If it's a yellow, it's a yellow and its the player's fault, not the refs, if they get sent off 

And the so-called “experts “ / pundit commentators who praise “professional “ fouls  want pulling up too. 

Edited 9 February by old koppite
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[UniFox21]

What happens if a keeper gets blue carded?

[STEVIE B]

3 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

What happens if a keeper gets blue carded?

I guess an outfield player goes in goal, or take off an outfield player, bring on a substitute 'keeper for 10 mins.........some games could go on for ages, meaning our home games will be virtually empty for half an hour when thousands leave on 80mins 

[Leicesterpool]

I can understand a sin bin but we dont need a third card. Just give a yellow and player must remain in sin bin for 3 minutes which they could use as cooling down period.

[CrazyKopCorner]

Terrible idea - Further subjectivity with the standard of referring and overall officiating is not a good idea. 

 

Great rid of VAR first 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

Some officials struggle with just having two cards.

 

It’s ridiculous for all the reasons stated so far, but I will be the first to shout for it when we can benefit - if there is a foul against us or dissent or whatever it’s introduced for.

 

It all smacks of people in the game wanting to make their own mark on it. Pretty needless.

[Chelmofox]

1 hour ago, UniFox21 said:

What happens if a keeper gets blue carded?

It simply can't apply to goalkeepers, surely.  Especially with the hustling that goes on in the box with set pieces, everyone will be luring the keepers into a mistake that leads to a blue card. Having a keeper sin binned is a massive disadvantage as you will have to lose another outfield player to temporarily replace the keeper with your 2nd choice keeper.  It's ridiculous. 

 

The more i think about it the more i hate it. Just enforce the rules as they are.

[Ian Nacho]

If they don't time it like rugby so it's 10 minutes of the ball in play, then it'll just cause no end of time wasting. 

[purpleronnie]

Where does the player actually go?  Is there going to be a seperate area for the sin bin?  Will it have to have another official with the player?

[Dahnsouff]

Think there should be a large step they have to sit on 

[Vlad the Fox]

13 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

Where does the player actually go?  Is there going to be a seperate area for the sin bin?  Will it have to have another official with the player?

They have to stand in a wheelie bin while the opposition substitutes throw rotten tomatoes at them for ten minutes. 

[davieG]

I favour an imaginary card so everyone has to guess who it was for, well we have to guess a lot now as to why the ref blows his whistle and no one knows in the stadium what's happening with VAR.

[purpleronnie]

Just now, Vlad the Fox said:

They have to stand in a wheelie bin while the opposition substitutes throw rotten tomatoes at them for ten minutes. 

Now that's entertainment.

[SecretPro]

All modern football ever really needed was goal line technology and off-side technology. Everything else is simply down to rule clarity and implementation of them. 

[foxy boxing]

We don't need kick ins, we don't need longer or shorter halves, we don't need blue, green, purple or orange cards. We don't need sin bins or time outs. Stop trying to change the game to fit a commercialised audience who watch sports with endless time outs and stop and start games to appeal to an audience with the attention span of a Nat. Leave it alone.

[PhillippaT]

3 hours ago, Leicesterpool said:

I can understand a sin bin but we dont need a third card. Just give a yellow and player must remain in sin bin for 3 minutes which they could use as cooling down period.

I can see a sin-bin punishment as a replacement for a red after two/multiple yellows, leaving the red for purely dangerous incidents.

[Pliskin]

Most officials in this country couldn’t find their arse with both hands, so you’re pissing into the wind trying to implement this. 

[Super_horns]

Most of the reasoning for not having it seems to be what would players do in the side lines.

 

Well how do they cope in rugby and hockey?

 

Sure they just aren't sitting there getting cold...

 

TBH i just think people are fed up of constant changes and having delays in the game.

 

And how would keepers be dealt with?

[dynamark]

its too expensive all the refs will need new shorts with a back pocket for the extra card, Could cost thousands

[trooky]

Something else for the VAR/refs to **** up and slow down the game.