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Leicester 'could face points deduction next season'

By ClaphamFox, in Leicester City Forum

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trooky

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1 hour ago, Fox 4 Life said:

https://www.footballinsider247.com/leicester-city-to-be-hit-by-devastating-double-points-deduction-blow-sources/

 

2 in one season would be brutal, is this because our last one was in essence deferred as we were in the championship?

Everton had 2 separate points deductions last  season, 8 points in total. 

 

So why should ours be anymore, we tried to comply with PSR and faced the ultimate punishment with relegation.

 

Any points deduction for 2021-2022 will be double jeopardy.

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Terraloon

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5 hours ago, when_you're_smiling said:

The Premier League has never been about a level playing field. When it formed in 1992, the biggest difference was that the clubs with the biggest stadiums managed to get rid of the rule that the away side kept 25 per cent of the gate receipts. There’s been more and more rules since.

The change of rules re away teams getting a share of the gate receipts happened in 1983 some 9 years before the formation of the PL

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Terraloon

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2 hours ago, RyCleary said:

Exactly this, same logic that stopped us getting punished last year surely stops us getting punished this year for the 23/24 breach

Take a look at page 142

 

https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2024/03/04/0910e1b3-f94a-41a5-9818-6e1b5c961a9a/PL_Handbook_2023-24_DIGITAL_26.02.24-v3.pdf

 

E77&E78

 

The problem for the PL was at the time (6/6/23) when City ceased to be a PL club there wasn’t any outstanding charge or investigation outstanding. That meant that within the PL rules there was no way that the matter could follow city into the EFL.

 

So fast forward 12 months and their is an investigation matter outstanding against City under EFL jurisdiction so in accord with the PLs rules tat investigation can be now be taken over by the PL.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Terraloon said:

Take a look at page 142

 

https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2024/03/04/0910e1b3-f94a-41a5-9818-6e1b5c961a9a/PL_Handbook_2023-24_DIGITAL_26.02.24-v3.pdf

 

E77&E78

 

The problem for the PL was at the time (6/6/23) when City ceased to be a PL club there wasn’t any outstanding charge or investigation outstanding. That meant that within the PL rules there was no way that the matter could follow city into the EFL.

 

So fast forward 12 months and their is an investigation matter outstanding against City under EFL jurisdiction so in accord with the PLs rules tat investigation can be now be taken over by the PL.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How can an official investigation into an alleged breach have occurred before June 30th though as it’s mathematically impossible for the rules to have been breached by then.

 

Think that point can surely be argued just like the business plan was argued. You can’t be disadvantaged because someone thinks you’re going to break a rule before you actually do. 

 

 

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Terraloon

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42 minutes ago, RyCleary said:

How can an official investigation into an alleged breach have occurred before June 30th though as it’s mathematically impossible for the rules to have been breached by then.

 

Think that point can surely be argued just like the business plan was argued. You can’t be disadvantaged because someone thinks you’re going to break a rule before you actually do. 

 

 

In accord with EFL rules by 31/3 each season clubs have to submit their calculations for T-1, T-2 based on the figures already submitted in 23/24 that mean T-1 was 22/23 & T-2 was 21/22 but they also have to provide in year numbers for T which was 23/24. 
Based on the  numbers submitted the EFL and no doubt City were estimating that there was going to be a breech in 23/24 in effect the process re T was commenced and as we know as a consequence of that a transfer embargo was put in place

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Ric Flair

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1 hour ago, Terraloon said:

Take a look at page 142

 

https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2024/03/04/0910e1b3-f94a-41a5-9818-6e1b5c961a9a/PL_Handbook_2023-24_DIGITAL_26.02.24-v3.pdf

 

E77&E78

 

The problem for the PL was at the time (6/6/23) when City ceased to be a PL club there wasn’t any outstanding charge or investigation outstanding. That meant that within the PL rules there was no way that the matter could follow city into the EFL.

 

So fast forward 12 months and their is an investigation matter outstanding against City under EFL jurisdiction so in accord with the PLs rules tat investigation can be now be taken over by the PL.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Has this situation ever happened before? I know the PL haven't ever taken over a charge from the EFL but could they have? My suspicion is they don't because it's extra hassle and costs them, they don't gain anything from it either.

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st albans fox

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3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Has this situation ever happened before? I know the PL haven't ever taken over a charge from the EFL but could they have? My suspicion is they don't because it's extra hassle and costs them, they don't gain anything from it either.

Would it be something that needs to be voted on by the clubs?  Would it require 14 clubs to prevent the PL setting precedent ?  Or 14 clubs to force the PL to take that course of action ?

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Terraloon

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13 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Has this situation ever happened before? I know the PL haven't ever taken over a charge from the EFL but could they have? My suspicion is they don't because it's extra hassle and costs them, they don't gain anything from it either.

I suspect it hasn’t 

8 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Would it be something that needs to be voted on by the clubs?  Would it require 14 clubs to prevent the PL setting precedent ?  Or 14 clubs to force the PL to take that course of action ?

Almost certainly it would take that sort of majority to get the rule changed but that I very much doubt is going to happen . As for a vote to stop it happening again I very much doubt that will happen.

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HankMarvin

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7 hours ago, trooky said:

Everton had 2 separate points deductions last  season, 8 points in total. 

 

So why should ours be anymore, we tried to comply with PSR and faced the ultimate punishment with relegation.

 

Any points deduction for 2021-2022 will be double jeopardy.

How did we try and comply? 
We had a ridiculous wage bill the worst in the league to turnover 118% 

Spent £50m and arguably could’ve sold more players 

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HankMarvin

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1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

PL aren't going to be interested in taking on a EFL charge, they have there own hornets nest to deal with.

 

How does it benefit the PL, it doesn't.

The Premier League and the English Football League (EFL) operate as separate entities, each with its own set of rules and regulations. However, there are mechanisms in place to ensure that sanctions and disciplinary measures imposed by one league can be recognised and enforced by the other, particularly when clubs are promoted or relegated between the leagues.

If a club is sanctioned by the EFL (such as points deductions, fines), and that club is then promoted to the Premier League, the Premier League can choose to honour those sanctions. This cooperation ensures that clubs cannot evade penalties simply by changing leagues. The same principle applies in reverse when a club relegated from the Premier League to the EFL carries any ongoing sanctions with them.

For example, if an EFL club is given a points deduction for financial misconduct and then wins promotion to the Premier League, the Premier League would typically enforce that points deduction in the following season. This collaboration helps maintain the integrity of the English football pyramid and ensures that clubs are held accountable regardless of the league they are in.

 

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Jon the Hat

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6 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

I'd be nice if we had a proper trust holding the club accountable so you could ask questions like why the **** did you carry on spending like you did last summer knowing this was coming up

They gambled on getting promoted at the first attempt.  Its paid off I would say.  They are in a way better state as of now than had they sold everyone and stayed in the Championship.

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ClaphamFox

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12 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

They gambled on getting promoted at the first attempt.  Its paid off I would say.  They are in a way better state as of now than had they sold everyone and stayed in the Championship.

It was absolutely the right thing to do. Not spending money and remaining in the Championship would have left us in a far worse position. 

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