Leicester 'could face points deduction next season'

[orangecity23]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Occurs to me that there is an even simpler solution

 

two clubs with ffp issues decide on a player in the other club that they would swap over for next season. 

 

 Each club sells the player to the other 

buying club has to allocate 20% of the fee into year 1 psr 

selling club receives all the income in year 1 psr 

 

twelve months later

the same deal happens in the opposite direction. Player not happy so wants to go back is the excuse - there is a buyback clause in place. 
 

It becomes like a psr loan where the benefit is all up front and the cost spread over five seasons 

the deals don’t have to be excessive away from fair market value 

how can they be challenged ??  Have I missed something ?? 

 

I was thinking about something like this the other day too.

 

If we sold Academy Graduate Player A to another club for 10 million, then bought their Academy Graduate Player B for 10 million, and they both got 5 year contracts:

Then both clubs book 10 million profit, -2 million amortisation on the new signing = 8 million profit this year.

If you sell them back the other way, for 10 million again in season 2, with another 5 year contract:

Remaining book value = -8million + 10million fee = 2 million profit - 2 million amortistion on the returning player = break even.

Repeat it back again in season 3, and you'd break even again.

 

If you carried on swapping the 2 players forever, you'd never actually have to make the initial 10 million "spent"

 

Of course, the big 6 clubs who don't need to do this would kick up a might mighty fuss - i.e. Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs. They'd claim it was unfair, and the fee paid didn't represent "fair value"

Perhaps someone should remind them that when Liverpool want an Academy Graduate, they normally don't pay at all - they just steal them, then delay the tribunal as long as possible.

And when Man Utd need money, they get Adidas to give them 90 million quid a season for wearing a triangle shape on their T-Shirts. Did anybody ever scrutinise those kind of deals to ask if they were fair on everyone else?

[Free Falling Foxes]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Occurs to me that there is an even simpler solution

 

two clubs with ffp issues decide on a player in the other club that they would swap over for next season. 

 

 Each club sells the player to the other 

buying club has to allocate 20% of the fee into year 1 psr 

selling club receives all the income in year 1 psr 

 

twelve months later

the same deal happens in the opposite direction. Player not happy so wants to go back is the excuse - there is a buyback clause in place. 
 

It becomes like a psr loan where the benefit is all up front and the cost spread over five seasons 

the deals don’t have to be excessive away from fair market value 

how can they be challenged ??  Have I missed something ?? 

 

Would this fall under 'Player Laundering'?

If so, EPL and psr are onto it, claiming it falls outside the spirit of the rules.

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/premier-league-psr-loophole-aston-villa-chelsea-everton-rival-clubs-anger-transfer-business/blt79ea8942e74b24d0

 

Edited Saturday at 13:23 by Free Falling Foxes

[st albans fox]

4 minutes ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

Would this fall under 'Player Laundering'?

If so, EPL and psr are onto it, claiming it falls outside the spirit of the rules.

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/premier-league-psr-loophole-aston-villa-chelsea-everton-rival-clubs-anger-transfer-business/blt79ea8942e74b24d0

 

These clubs have been doing deals in the same week  - even one day apart !

they’ve also been questionable under ‘fair value’

 

if done sensibly it’s less obvious 

I mean we could have sold a player 14 June and bought one tomorrow. That’s a couple weeks apart and less likely to raise eyebrows 

the rules need addressing 

[Wortho]

The PL have introduced these restrictive rules so why shouldn’t clubs try to avoid them. If clubs have to meet their 30th June surely they can sell players to meet it.

 The PL are ruining this product and are making it worse. Ratcliffe is moaning already that the big six haven’t got enough power.

[orangecity23]

They've already announced the final table for next season

 

1. Man Utd P 38 W 0 D 0 L 38  Goals 0 Goals Against 286 Twitter Followers: A quijillion Sky Sports Tossing them Off: 900 jillion Sponsorships: Uncountable Points: Infinite

* Man Utd Awarded Infinite Points Because Leading Red Brand Winning is deemed best for Business by the Premier League

2. Liverpool Pts Infinite

*Liverpool also awarded inifninite points because they are also a leading FPL US owned Red Brand and thus best for business

*Title decided in the SUPER SOCCER FOOTBOWL: CocaColaChester United brought to you in association with Adidas, officially partnered by DHl, Chevrolet, TeamViewer, Kraft Foods Cadbury Chocolate will face off against PepsiPool Reds brought to you in association with New Balance, Nivea and Geico Insurance will play 4 quarters of scintillating soccerball in the Houston Handshandy Dome to decide the title of biggest US RED BRAND GLORYwilly pullerS, featuring half time analysis of Excel spreadsheets by newly qualified financial accountants Gary Neville sponsored by BlackRock and James Carragher sponsored by Citadel LLC

3-20 Some other chodes, all awarded minus infinite points, not interesting/red branded/US owned enough to be best for business.

[Foxin_Mad]

18 minutes ago, Wortho said:

The PL have introduced these restrictive rules so why shouldn’t clubs try to avoid them. If clubs have to meet their 30th June surely they can sell players to meet it.

 The PL are ruining this product and are making it worse. Ratcliffe is moaning already that the big six haven’t got enough power.

Ratcliffe is a twat, United have nearly 700 million of debt, they shouldn't be allowed to buy any players and should be expelled. That is the definition of unsustainable. 

[Wortho]

13 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Ratcliffe is a twat, United have nearly 700 million of debt, they shouldn't be allowed to buy any players and should be expelled. That is the definition of unsustainable. 

I quite agree but they can afford to service the debt.

[Muzzy_no7]

If we are deducted points while this player laundering is going on then I’m sorry I’m absolutely done with this sport. 
 

Ridiculous that we are forced to sell a prized asset who loves the club to go and sit on a bench at Chelski (who tore up the market to become a big club after achieving next to nothing for 50+ years) just to comply after breaking the wheel and upsetting the establishment.

 

Our 2 league cups, 1 FA Cup, 1 PL title, 1 charity shield, 4-5 forays into Europe and two Championship titles has not and will not be matched by another club outside the ‘big six’ all achieved in the modern era. 

Edited Saturday at 14:59 by Muzzy_no7

[urban.spaceman]

9 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

If we are deducted points while this player laundering is going on then I’m sorry I’m absolutely done with this sport. 
 

Ridiculous that we are forced to sell a prized asset who loves the club to go and sit on a bench at Chelski (who tore up the market to become a big club after achieving next to nothing for 50+ years) just to comply after breaking the wheel and upsetting the establishment.

 

Our 2 league cups, 1 FA Cup, 1 PL title, 1 charity shield, 4-5 forays into Europe and two Championship titles has not and will not be matched by another club outside the ‘big six’ all achieved in the modern era. 

We’ve won League One, the Championship twice, the Premier League, the FA Cup and the Community Shield since one of the “big six” last won a trophy. 
 

As far as I’m concerned the Premier League has absolutely no legitimacy. 

[Wortho]

The PL are an absolute mess. Their lawyers bills now are about £130m per year!!! They haven’t got a clue and aren’t fit for purpose. 
They are being played by the red cartel, which are yank owned, and they want full control over the other owners.

[Bert]

10 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Is the source @Bert

[Foxin_Mad]

6 hours ago, Wortho said:

I quite agree but they can afford to service the debt.

Serviceable or not, it's not really fair or sustainable. How is it okay to have 700 million debt but not for an owner to put in 50 million a year? Makes no sense. 

[UniFox21]

Another PSR transfer then

 

 

[LinekersLugs]

19 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Another PSR transfer then

 

 

Massive signing for That lot 

[markko]

It would be nice for our case to be dealt with before the season start so we know where we are and what we have to do. It seems very biased. Chelsea still buying anything that moves  including KDH and then selling nobodies and hotels to balance the books.  Newcastle on the other hand could blow all the teams out of the water are having to sell the it seems. Are we expected to believe Manchester United are within the rules?

[ian__marshall]

45 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Another PSR transfer then

 

 

To be fair, he'd make their 1st team and has family in Nottinghamshire so kind of makes sense seeing as he's getting limited game time at the moment. 

[lcfc sheff]

He’s gone for £35m 🤣🤣🤣 not even joking 

[UniFox21]

39 minutes ago, lcfc sheff said:

He’s gone for £35m 🤣🤣🤣 not even joking 

Yup, laughable 

 

[blue army 1988]

1 hour ago, UniFox21 said:

Another PSR transfer then

 

 

Wouldn't mind him here at Leicester tbh

[blue army 1988]

The thing that gets me is not the player trading, it's the fact that we are not doing it too.

 

The player trading is a loop hole and while it's laughable that clubs are still managing to get round FFP, just shows how weak it all is, it's the fact that for whatever reason we are not taking advantage of it either.

[UniFox21]

2 minutes ago, blue army 1988 said:

The thing that gets me is not the player trading, it's the fact that we are not doing it too.

 

The player trading is a loop hole and while it's laughable that clubs are still managing to get round FFP, just shows how weak it all is, it's the fact that for whatever reason we are not taking advantage of it either.

We're in discussions with Chelsea for KDH and a player to come the other way.

That's just as much of one as anything else 

[JimmyC74]

3 minutes ago, blue army 1988 said:

The thing that gets me is not the player trading, it's the fact that we are not doing it too.

 

The player trading is a loop hole and while it's laughable that clubs are still managing to get round FFP, just shows how weak it all is, it's the fact that for whatever reason we are not taking advantage of it either.

This and the fact it has been long signposted we were likely to fail PSR for 2023-24 if we didn’t sell a key asset before June-30. 
 

There is a little time I guess they could announce a deal with Chelsea but why do we leave things to the last minute.

[blue army 1988]

4 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

We're in discussions with Chelsea for KDH and a player to come the other way.

That's just as much of one as anything else 

Obviously everyone has heard that KDH is going to Chelsea but there is only speculation of a list of players that could come the other way. Gives the idea that if a trade does happen it was more of an after thought after seeing what the others are doing.

 

Also, we've had so long to sort something out why leave it till the last minute.

Get Ward, Iverson, Thomas, Soumare, Kristiansen and Daka out the door with the saving on Albrighton, Iheanacho, Preat and possibly Ndiddi wages and a decrease in Vardys wages. Surly we must have a decent chunk of the debt gone after all that.

[coolhandfox]

Not a chance the PL punishes anyone for the player trading.

 

 

[moore_94]

8 minutes ago, blue army 1988 said:

Obviously everyone has heard that KDH is going to Chelsea but there is only speculation of a list of players that could come the other way. Gives the idea that if a trade does happen it was more of an after thought after seeing what the others are doing.

 

Also, we've had so long to sort something out why leave it till the last minute.

Get Ward, Iverson, Thomas, Soumare, Kristiansen and Daka out the door with the saving on Albrighton, Iheanacho, Preat and possibly Ndiddi wages and a decrease in Vardys wages. Surly we must have a decent chunk of the debt gone after all that.

You can't get them out unless someone actually wants to buy them

 

For the likes of Soumare, Kristiansen, and Daka it couldn't just be a small fee so we at least get their wages off the books either, we would need an offer for them that at least covers their remaning value (realistically we would need profit to make it worthwhile financially)

Edited yesterday at 09:47 by moore_94