Ric Flair Posted 30 July Share Posted 30 July 8 hours ago, st albans fox said: We’re not sure about that as no charges for period ending 30 June 24 would be issued until later this year. I’d be surprised if 90m from Barnes, kdh, castagne and enzo was quite enough. The breach should not be as high as previous year though. And remember we’re running at allowable 83m rather than 105m. certainly the initial deduction would be somewhere between 6 and 10 points which would hopefully be reduced on appeal. There may be a second one in March/April based on last season. This is what I'm struggling to compute. If we think we were only £40m shy (before Maresca and KDH departing) for 23/24 compliance after the losses in both 21/22 and 22/23 being huge, then I can't see how the 3 year period up to the end of 22/23 is as vast as some are making out if we could comply for 23/24 if that makes sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 30 July Share Posted 30 July 4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: This is what I'm struggling to compute. If we think we were only £40m shy (before Maresca and KDH departing) for 23/24 compliance after the losses in both 21/22 and 22/23 being huge, then I can't see how the 3 year period up to the end of 22/23 is as vast as some are making out if we could comply for 23/24 if that makes sense? Our sales (amortised values ) in 23/24 were 90m+. Add to that the large saving in wages and I can see how we may have managed to get close in period ending 23/24 but failed substantially to end June 22/23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted 30 July Share Posted 30 July 2 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Anyone who thinks it's going to be a 10+ PT deduction is living in cloud cuckoo land. The FA can't give a team a deduction that leaves them thinking, "s*d it, might as well save our money, we're relegated anyway." It would completely unbalance the league to have one team that might as well give up on day one. It’s not up to the PL or FA what deduction we get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted 30 July Share Posted 30 July Not sure why many assume that whatever punishment is dished out will be reduced on appeal. The Everton initial penalty was ill judged, hence the reduction, but Forests appeal amounted for nothing. It also seemed like there was more of a process and thinking by the time the Forest deduction came round. I assume whatever is handed down will stick, unless we've annoyed them so much that they try and really screw us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 30 July Share Posted 30 July 1 hour ago, Ricey said: It’s not up to the PL or FA what deduction we get. I stand corrected. It doesn't alter my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 30 July Share Posted 30 July 44 minutes ago, Number 6 said: Not sure why many assume that whatever punishment is dished out will be reduced on appeal. The Everton initial penalty was ill judged, hence the reduction, but Forests appeal amounted for nothing. It also seemed like there was more of a process and thinking by the time the Forest deduction came round. I assume whatever is handed down will stick, unless we've annoyed them so much that they try and really screw us. I hope we've annoyed them so much that they decide to just jack it in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 30 July Share Posted 30 July 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: Our sales (amortised values ) in 23/24 were 90m+. Add to that the large saving in wages and I can see how we may have managed to get close in period ending 23/24 but failed substantially to end June 22/23. Our sales for 22/23 were £110m and in 23/24 we'd added another £90m loss from the year before to the 3 year cycle (21/22 and 22/23 both being 90m + losses before PSR deductions and the 19/20 year of a much lesser loss dropped off) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotFox1 Posted 30 July Share Posted 30 July By and large this thread is pointless.. Let's not waste time speculating and instead open a new thread as and when the deduction is actually given. Mods.. please close this thread.. it's not good for our collective mental health (Other threads are available for comment) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurru991 Posted 30 July Share Posted 30 July It has the makings of a new challenge ... Name the date it's announced & the amount of points deducted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VLC86 Posted 30 July Share Posted 30 July (edited) 58 minutes ago, ScotFox1 said: By and large this thread is pointless.. Let's not waste time speculating and instead open a new thread as and when the deduction is actually given. Mods.. please close this thread.. it's not good for our collective mental health (Other threads are available for comment) If you closed every thread when we only had facts, this would be the BBC website. Edit- waiting for the BBC bashers to correct me, but you get the point. Edited 30 July by VLC86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted 31 July Share Posted 31 July 10 hours ago, Ric Flair said: This is what I'm struggling to compute. If we think we were only £40m shy (before Maresca and KDH departing) for 23/24 compliance after the losses in both 21/22 and 22/23 being huge, then I can't see how the 3 year period up to the end of 22/23 is as vast as some are making out if we could comply for 23/24 if that makes sense? maybe all those players that left on a bosman were on even more than we thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 31 July Share Posted 31 July 7 hours ago, ScotFox1 said: By and large this thread is pointless.. Let's not waste time speculating and instead open a new thread as and when the deduction is actually given. Mods.. please close this thread.. it's not good for our collective mental health (Other threads are available for comment) Removing a pointless thread about removing points... weve achieved perpetual thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElusiveEd Posted 31 July Share Posted 31 July For what It's worth..... https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/delay-predicted-big-say-leicester-9449359 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaphamFox Posted 31 July Author Share Posted 31 July 10 minutes ago, ElusiveEd said: For what It's worth..... https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/delay-predicted-big-say-leicester-9449359 Well I've always said that Dr Dan Plumley is the world's leading authority on PSR and that his view should be taken as more valid than anybody else's... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowlattsFox Posted 31 July Share Posted 31 July I kind of want a huge points deduction and we can blame that for relegation rather than just being shit. It will take away any sort of disappointment and pressure away and I think the fans will end up having fun with it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 31 July Share Posted 31 July 59 minutes ago, ElusiveEd said: For what It's worth..... https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/delay-predicted-big-say-leicester-9449359 Surely we're not basing our hopes on what Professor Plum has to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Groby_Blue Posted 31 July Popular Post Share Posted 31 July 1 minute ago, AKCJ said: Surely we're not basing our hopes on what Professor Plum has to say. It was Jon Rudkin, in the boardroom, with the King Power credit card. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 31 July Share Posted 31 July I do think the deduction will be <10pts but I don't see any chance of us escaping one entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 31 July Share Posted 31 July 48 minutes ago, Finnegan said: I do think the deduction will be <10pts but I don't see any chance of us escaping one entirely. 4 or 6 would be my guess! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Posted 31 July Share Posted 31 July 54 minutes ago, Finnegan said: I do think the deduction will be <10pts but I don't see any chance of us escaping one entirely. I think our target is to get to 55 points from 38 games, so we need to average 1.45 points over the season. Any deduction even at its worst quoted amount still leaves us over that 40 point threshold which typically sees you out of the bottom three. That is a major ask but to be honest, I don’t think it’s that unrealistic. We need to maintain the form of a mid table side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayfox26 Posted 31 July Share Posted 31 July 1 hour ago, Groby_Blue said: It was Jon Rudkin, in the boardroom, with the King Power credit card. Proper tickled me that 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurru991 Posted 31 July Share Posted 31 July 1 hour ago, Sly said: I think our target is to get to 55 points from 38 games, so we need to average 1.45 points over the season. Any deduction even at its worst quoted amount still leaves us over that 40 point threshold which typically sees you out of the bottom three. That is a major ask but to be honest, I don’t think it’s that unrealistic. We need to maintain the form of a mid table side. I don'f feel that 50 plus points is out of reach assuming that we bring in a couple of attacking midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzy_no7 Posted 31 July Share Posted 31 July Everton’s was 8 for two clear breaches in the PL. Correct me if I’m wrong but we’ve only had one clear breach haven’t we? The other one would involve us being in another division. Also surely the fact that we were directly impacted by Everton and Forest cheating should play a part? Ive no doubt the club and its lawyers are highlighting the current player laundering in the league too, allowing Newcastle, Chelsea, Villa, Everton and Forest to avoid further punishment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxile5 Posted 31 July Share Posted 31 July https://www.90min.com/manchester-city-sanctioned-premier-league-breaking-rules?utm_source=fotmob&utm_medium=share At least there's precedent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teblin Posted 1 August Share Posted 1 August If they hand out a ridiculous deduction let’s go all out for some silverware in the league cup/fa cup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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