westernpark Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March Wolves Sporting director offering some nice but honest quotes to the press, regarding player sales, future of Gary O’Neill and similar issues. Would be nice to even get this sort of nonsensical talk from someone above Maresca. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March (edited) Surely it won't be 10 points if Everton appealed theirs down to 6? We'll get whatever Forest and Everton get this season. Our appeal argument will be that we tried to cut our cloth, unlike Forest and Everton, but got relegated at their expense, which further damaged the finances. We'll also argue that if Everton's points for 21/22 had been taken off last season, then we wouldn't have gone down. It could be that a handful of clubs get points deductions next season, but I suspect that if we go up, we'll be the only ones to start the season on minus points. The charges and punishments will come later into the season. What an absolute shitshow, though. Either go up and get two points deductions (or sell our best players and get one) or don't go up and have to sell even more of our best players to keep it at a single points deduction. It's time for the fans to put some real pressure on the board, and yes, that means Top as well. They are all accountable for this mess, and yet no lessons are being learned. Edited 8 March by Ricey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertFill Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March 47 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said: Just finding it hard to get excited about promotion when we are almost guaranteed to come straight back down. It's hardly as if we'd be guaranteed to stay up anyway! (Also we haven't even got promoted yet...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March (edited) We have a subscription service to sell; come and read the big stories. Firstly, let's think about this logically. The Everton case has set the bar for a point deduction, so it is unlikely that they would give any club more than 6 points for a breach. It is unlikely that it will be applied this season. We have to be charged, dealt with and then have the chance to appeal. Everton's case was sent to the independent commission on 24th of March 2023 Everton: Premier League refers club to independent commission over alleged breach of financial rules - BBC Sport They got docked points on the 17th of November 2023. Everton receive immediate 10-point Premier League deduction for financial rules breach - BBC Sport Their appeal was completed on 26 February 2024 and had the point reduction reduced Everton points deduction appeal verdict: What happens next? - BBC Sport. That 8 months to have the points deducted, and nearly 12 months later to finish the appeal. It is very unlikely they can dock points this season without creating chaos in two leagues due to timescales. Edited 8 March by coolhandfox 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March Surely this also affects the players we can sign next season. Not many will want to come here if we're starting on minus 6 or 10 points. Probably can't afford to sign anyone anyway! Shit show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March I wouldn’t mind quite as much if we’d spent all that money wisely 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March 7 minutes ago, BertFill said: I think it's more likely it'll depend on how much we broke rules by. If it turns out we did, of course. Unlikely as it is not set out in the rules. You can't make up punishment on the fly; in the Everton appeal, the panel decided that 10 points were wrong " and did not take into account available benchmarks," saying that a six-point sanction was broadly in line with English Football League guidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Lowe Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March So going up and receiving a deduction then being relegated seems the most likely course of events. Is it then better to come down with another deduction but a team who can compete at the top end of the Championship or to ensure there is no second deduction but have a much weaker team left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarles Barkley Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March Are we now in a position where we need Everton and Forest to stay up? So they get a points deduction along with us next year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March Minus six club baby - looking forward to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March (edited) 1 hour ago, Lambert09 said: screwed in the championship, screwed in the prem. KDH and Justin to be sold. Rudkin out It’s literally nothing new. Just a slight rehash of what we know that we “might” be getting a points deduction. This is British media at its finest cashing a mass frenzy. It’s almost like they want us to **** op now so they can watch us burn. We won’t be alone, Forest and Everton will also be starting on minus points. Edited 8 March by Pliskin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March (edited) 3 minutes ago, CosbehFox said: Minus six club baby - looking forward to it It could be us, Everton and Forest all starting with -6 if we go up. It's an awful look for the PL; there's a real stain on their product. Edited 8 March by coolhandfox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March Just now, coolhandfox said: Could be us, Everton and Forest all starting with -6 if we go up. Pure box office Us and Forest scrapping like urchins over a £5 note 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March What I want to know is this. What does this achieve? Because if this does go wrong we’re ****ed? So I thought he aim was sustainability, but it’s not remotely sustainable? When are clubs going to speak to one another, grow some balls and stand up to the EPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March 3 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: It could be us, Everton and Forest all starting with -6 if we go up. It's an awful look for the PL; there's a real stain on their product. 2 minutes ago, CosbehFox said: Pure box office Us and Forest scrapping like urchins over a £5 note Don't Everton have a 2nd charge impending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March 2 minutes ago, Pliskin said: It’s literally nothing new. Just a slight rehash of what we know that we “might” be getting a points deduction. This is British media at its finest cashing a mass frenzy. It’s almost like they want us to **** op now so they can watch us burn. We won’t be alone, Forest and Everton will also be starting on minus points. tbf the telegraph have genuine journalistic integrity and aren’t typically wide of the mark. They might be leaving a little wiggle room for the unknowns, but probably have a strong enough source to suggest it’s coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaphamFox Posted 8 March Author Share Posted 8 March 2 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: It could be us, Everton and Forest all starting with -6 if we go up. It's an awful look for the PL; there's a real stain on their product. I didn’t like this sentence in the John Percy article: “The Premier League is believed to be recommending a big points deduction as punishment, which would have a serious impact on their season.” How big?! Do they want to punish us more than Everton and Forest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March Just now, StanSP said: Don't Everton have a 2nd charge impending? Yes, I can't see them turning around Everton's second change or Forest in this season. So they and Forest could start on -6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy_Jeff Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March 1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said: I didn’t like this sentence in the John Percy article: “The Premier League is believed to be recommending a big points deduction as punishment, which would have a serious impact on their season.” How big?! Do they want to punish us more than Everton and Forest? They’re still fuming with us after 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March 1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said: I didn’t like this sentence in the John Percy article: “The Premier League is believed to be recommending a big points deduction as punishment, which would have a serious impact on their season.” How big?! Do they want to punish us more than Everton and Forest? In the Everton appeal, the panel decided that 10 points were wrong " and did not take into account available benchmarks," saying that a six-point sanction was broadly in line with English Football League guidelines. They have sent a benchmark with the 6 points. You don't sell subscriptions to articles without making a story sound big. Both sources have to drive traffic, so you have to create headlines to hook people in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March 2 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: Yes, I can't see them turning around Everton's second change or Forest in this season. So they and Forest could start on -6 If Forest appeal it then it’s a struggle to get that heard before the end of the season. I assume that is why it’s being dragged out now the idea was that it should all be done and trusted within the following season it's ridiculous that they can’t enforce their own rules effectively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March Just now, st albans fox said: If Forest appeal it then it’s a struggle to get that heard before the end of the season. I assume that is why it’s being dragged out now the idea was that it should all be done and trusted within the following season it's ridiculous that they can’t enforce their own rules effectively Because they are full of holes and have a lot of grey areas. They would have helped themselves if they had done a better job including outlining the punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March 7 minutes ago, Lambert09 said: tbf the telegraph have genuine journalistic integrity and aren’t typically wide of the mark. They might be leaving a little wiggle room for the unknowns, but probably have a strong enough source to suggest it’s coming. Percy is going to have a degree of the “****ems” about him, because he had his sources into the club restricted. So I’d take what he says with a pinch of salt. They know **** all in reality. It’s all guesswork. And why should we be given a more significant deduction when we got relegated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March (edited) 2 minutes ago, Pliskin said: Percy is going to have a degree of the “****ems” about him, because he had his sources into the club restricted. So I’d take what he says with a pinch of salt. Says who? He got an exclusive interview with Enzo last month. Edited 8 March by CosbehFox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March How many charges do Man City have going on? Genuine question as can’t remember. Where are there points deductions? Chelsea spent over a billion quid in the last few windows and that’s okay? No deduction lads as you were. Pathetic and turning millions of genuine supporters away from the game. Can’t stand football anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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