Managerial Replacements

[Bordersfox]

22 minutes ago, Basildon Fox said:

Why?  A complete bollocks statement without any evidence to back it up.

 

Stop trying to be intellectual.  Its a ****ing football forum. 

Thank you for providing evidence to back it up.  

[inckley fox]

24 minutes ago, lfu said:

"Tippy tappy" is such an asinine buzzphrase at this point

 

Often accompanied by an opinion that would have been dated 20 years ago

I think it's the phrase Kasper used when he talked, in his post title-winning interview eight years ago, about what set us apart from our rivals.

 

There are also plenty of sides out there who aren't particularly tippy-tappy. The fact that we can all understand these distinctions, and that they were relevant eight years ago and still are today, means that it's as valid as any other term you care to use for elaborate and control-based styles of football.

[Ric Flair]

39 minutes ago, LinekersLugs said:

Maximus Allegrius?

[KFS]

7 minutes ago, indierich06 said:

Again, Cooper and Corberan are actually quite similar in terms of their football and their philosophy.

And one is quite literally Forest’s sloppy seconds 

[sylofox]

3 hours ago, FoxOnWheels said:

Everyone saying we’re going to have nothing to spend but if entering into a new financial year why will we have nothing to spend? I think we will spend more than we think

We will be over the maximum 3 Yr spend. Having money won't get us out of that one. The minute we spend we will be in breach again. Unless we sell some first.

 

3 hours ago, Babylon said:

I've already told you why: endless recycling of the ball, lack of movement and boring the opposition and most of your fans to death. Winning plenty of times by virtue of just having the most expensively assembled team in the championship ever, and many games relying on the opposition's shitness in front of the goal. I found huge chunks of it boring, many people found it boring... that does not equate to wanting to just hoof the ball forward. 

Absolutely spot on.

 

3 hours ago, Saxondale said:

No, you want some magical unicorn football that is both endlessly exhilarating and ever successful. You want passes to be both immediate and accurate. You want us to move the ball forward at all times but never concede possession.

 

If you find us winning the league at a canter and scoring 89 goals boring, then - I hate to break it to you - you’re in for a long season.

I'd take our 2016 style over bodgers and Enzo ball every day of the week and twice on a Saturday.

 

I want to be entertained not fvcking bored to death watching vesty the keeper and faes making 600 passes between themselves every game.

 

Even when we had the opportunity in games to break at pace and put the opposition under pressure we very rarely did.  No let the opposition fall back built two lines of four while vesty and Co make 200 passes on the edge of our own box. Then oh no we can't break them down. All due to the way we play. Fvcking awful slow boring shite.

[LestaLad]

Ahh

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, KFS said:

And one is quite literally Forest’s sloppy seconds 

Were you thinking the same when Wes Morgan lifted the Premier League trophy in 2016?

[LVFox]

Igor Tudor leaving Lazio, which is a shock.

 

He'd ruffle feathers but is a decent coach.

[brookfox]

Fwiw, I thought the football last season was very entertaining... when the opposition played into our hands. We'd move the ball around trying to goad them out of their shape and when they took the bait and pressed we looked dangerous. It was when teams just sat back and kept their discipline I think we struggled to adapt, and still just passed it around with little penetration and open to counters.

 

If the new manager can keep the good but also find a way to score goals another way we'll be laughing. Interestingly, Man City and Arsenal are 1st and 3rd for set piece goals last season whereas we were 15th. An obvious area to improve as it's a way to get a goal and force the opposition to come out and play us. Although being lower in the league will also help with this!

[AjcW]

53 minutes ago, LinekersLugs said:

 

1 minute ago, LVFox said:

Igor Tudor leaving Lazio, which is a shock.

 

He'd ruffle feathers but is a decent coach.

Romans

Rome

Lazio

....

 

Please send help... or football... I can't hack the summer

[sylofox]

8 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Were you thinking the same when Wes Morgan lifted the Premier League trophy in 2016?

MoN was sloppy seconds to look how the ended up.

 

Forests sloppy seconds have been involved in the best two periods in our history.

 

Now imagine 3rd time lucky. Champions league it is then 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂 😹 

[HankMarvin]

55 minutes ago, LinekersLugs said:

Russel Martin 

[EnderbyFox]

Whilst I’ve been quick to judge Steve Cooper (mainly because he looks like he’s just escaped a headlock) I don’t get the fawning for Corberan over him… Cooper actually achieved what Corberan hasn’t yet?

 

He inherited a rubbish team and got them promoted, something Corberan hasn’t done with either Huddersfield or WBA 

[Happy Fox]

Sarriball 

[KFS]

19 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Were you thinking the same when Wes Morgan lifted the Premier League trophy in 2016?

No - Wes is ****ing beautiful

[KFS]

I don’t want an ugly manager. There I ****ing said it

[Bordersfox]

3 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said:

Whilst I’ve been quick to judge Steve Cooper (mainly because he looks like he’s just escaped a headlock) I don’t get the fawning for Corberan over him… Cooper actually achieved what Corberan hasn’t yet?

 

He inherited a rubbish team and got them promoted, something Corberan hasn’t done with either Huddersfield or WBA 

Nobody is fawning are they?

 

But many have pointed out he ticks the King Power continuity box whilst having potentially more flexibility than Maresca in terms of systems.  

 

This seems a reasonable view, compared to 'don't like Cooper cos he looks ugly' which many have said - yourself included. 

 

Cooper also did not do a good job in the Prem albeit for a club witha lunatic owner, Corberan is an unknown quantity in that regard.

 

That said, Ric has pointed out Cooper does promote youth and has shown some tactical flexibility historically so I am not saying his appointment would be a disaster.  

 

Corberan just seems a more obvious choice to me.  

[Guppys Love Child]

7 minutes ago, sylofox said:

We will be over the maximum 3 Yr spend. Having money won't get us out of that one. The minute we spend we will be in breach again. Unless we sell some first.

 

Absolutely spot on.

 

I'd take our 2016 style over bodgers and Enzo ball every day of the week and twice on a Saturday.

 

I want to be entertained not fvcking bored to death watching vesty the keeper and faes making 600 passes between themselves every game.

 

Even when we had the opportunity in games to break at pace and put the opposition under pressure we very rarely did.  No let the opposition fall back built two lines of four while vesty and Co make 200 passes on the edge of our own box. Then oh no we can't break them down. All due to the way we play. Fvcking awful slow boring shite.

Thank God it wasn't just me who saw it this way too.

 

I had many a "heated discussion" at work, and possibly on here also when voicing my reservations and dislike of EnzoBall as a whole

 

I was just branded a 'football tactics neanderthal', and told it's "because you don't understand it" and don't see the ethos behind the style as to why you hate it 

 

No..I fully understood the technical aspects and pulling of the opposition around to make gaps, but it's also just boring as hell to watch, which got worse when the opposition sussed us out and 'Pep wanna be 2.0' was to stubborn to even entertain adapting tactics and style (which ironically was exactly what the opposition did to us)

 

I just (foolishly) live in hope that Top doesn't want the next managerial appointment to continue this god awful brand of football....  

 

[MANFACE]

7 minutes ago, KFS said:

I don’t want an ugly manager. There I ****ing said it

I don't want him, either.

 

 

[ronnup]

Sooner rather than later whoever it is please 

[Bluearmyfox28]

 

f**k me the amount people fight to prove a point on here without any facts or just made-up statements is unreal. The one thing that annoys me is that it appears most assume that the club just look at a manager and do not think about the personnel of players the club has and whether that meets the criteria for a certain managers style, but let's actually break it down.

 

Moyes - For me the player personnel he requires for his system does not match what we currently have. He prefers to have a target man that he can throw balls into the box for and someone that can throw their weight around a bit, he also likes to have a shadow striker preferably with aerial presence (Cahill, Fellaini, Soucek) who can make late runs into the box, again something we do not have and doesn't suit the style of players we currently have. He likes to play a lot of the time with 2 traditional holding midfielders, if Wilf leaves, we will have no one that can play that role other than possibly Hamza. So, for me Moyes is not an option based on current players within the squad regardless of previous achievements. 

 

Cooper - A fast direct attacking manager, however, his sides have struggled with their defensive structure and leaked a fair few goals. One thing that was noticeable for me when thinking about his time at Forest was how bad they were at set pieces, it was horrendous to watch and something that we have to improve on already. If I remember correctly, they also managed to only win one game away from home all season, which means a huge emphasis was put on Forest to win games at home. Cooper's preferred style appears to be a 3-4-2-1 but has adapted during his time at Forest due to options he had available to him. Cooper preferably prefers to overload width by using attacking fullback's' on the outside with the wingers playing more inverted to create space on the outside. An investment at full back is needed regardless of manager in charge, and it is fair to say Cooper is a very good man manager. However, from an attacking perspective I am not sure if our wingers (which arguably is one of our biggest strengths currently) are made for the style of working in tight spaces which he would prefer them to play. I am open to Cooper but have concerns regarding how leaky his defences can be at times as well as how poor they have been at set pieces in the past. 

 

Corberan - For me Corberan is one of the most misunderstood managers out there from a perspective of playing style. Corberan prefers to play a 4-2-3-1 with huge emphasis on the fullbacks both going forward and defending. He wants to keep the ball but not for the sake of it. If the option is there to play direct, then he will set up direct or be patient depending on what is more effective against the opponent. He has an emphasis on being solid defensively and from set pieces, but this does not make him a defensive mindset manager. Going forward he wants his wide players to play as wide as possible creating spaces for the full backs to make vertical runs in the space vacated by the winger, causing the full back to make a choice of which player to follow and the ball being played to the player not being marked. He also has a heavy emphasis on movement off the ball creating gaps either to play the ball into or to allow the attacking player to have freedom whilst on the ball. He likes to create overloads from a counter attacking perspective, often resulting in WBA going forward with 4/5 vs 3 scenarios and forces teams to become nervous to commit too many men forward as shown against us this season at our place and something that we are going to have to deal with often this next season. Not only does Corberan's structure and fluidity of style impress me but also the history they have got of getting results against the "big boys". Often WBA are the underdogs and thrive in that, he drew once and won once against Leeds, beat, and drew against Ipswich, and lost twice against us but I think any other day they would have at least got a draw in both games. That's 8 points from a possible 18 that you would argue they did not expect to get anything from nor did his side play like underdogs.

 

Potter – Like Cooper, Potter’s preferable style appears to be 3-4-2-1 but instead of inverted wingers, potter prefers to play with attacking wingbacks and two No.10’s behind the striker, straight away I think our personnel does not support this system and moves away from our strengths within the team. Potter’s team often have trouble to breakdown teams and depend heavily on possession-based football. I have seen many advocate for Potter but did not want Enzo, which for me is surprising as I see Potter’s style of play a more defensive version of Enzo’s just without the inverted full back. Potter also likes his forward players to be interchangeable often moving from left, to centre, to the right throughout the game. Other than Mavididi I do not think this suits our playing squad due to the majority of our attackers being restricted to just one position.

 

Overall, for our current financial circumstances, the most proven to perform in that category is Corberan. in terms of playing with that underdog mentality, your most proven is Corberan and in terms of playing style being most suitable to our current players, again I think Corberan is the most suitable candidate. For me, Corberan should be clear favourite for the job, and I still think Corberan has a lot more to show considering his whole managerial career he has had close to nothing to spend, if he gets access to some funds, who knows how much more efficient his teams can be compared to what they already are.

[OldBob]

7 hours ago, Scotch said:

Two of the teams that were relegated this year would have stayed up in that 2013/14 season. Two of the teams that made the playoffs that year would have missed out last season and Burnley who were promoted automatically with 93 pts that season would have finished third this time around. 

 

I think you're suffering from a bout of nostalgia. 

You’re talking about points alone. Put this current side in that league back then, we wouldn’t have accumulated the same amount of points. I’m talking about the quality

[Mike Oxlong]

14 minutes ago, KFS said:

I don’t want an ugly manager. There I ****ing said it

Would be a nice nod to  the Elephant Man’s Leicester connections though 

Edited 5 June by Mike Oxlong

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, ronnup said:

Sooner rather than later whoever it is please 

If the club genuinely wants Cooper, you'd expect it to happen soon given that he's currently a free agent. If this drags on beyond the weekend, it would imply we're looking at other candidates...

[OldBob]

1 hour ago, cityfanlee23 said:

I think the important context for Corberan is that yes he does have a "style" but he's very pragmatic, he usually sets up in a 4-2-3-1, but his formations change throughout the game where players take up different roles and positions to counter the opponent. This season he has also played a 3-5-2, a 4-4-2, a 3-4-3 and a 5-4-1. 
Corberan does have a preferred playing style, but he's proven at West Brom that he plays to beat the opposition and get the best out of the squad he has, rather than setting up solely to play "his way" like Enzo did. 

I'd rather have a pragmatic Corberan than a static manager wedded to a system with the season we face. 

You make some valid points. Agree we need to be able to adapt to teams we play