Managerial Replacements

[CrazyKopCorner]

9 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

Rodgers let in 5 to that. ****ing hell man.

That was the day I knew we were down - Sept 4th 2022 I think it was. It was one of the few occasions where I've been totally embarrassed by a Leicester performance. 

 

The game spoilt a great day in Brighton and Hove 

[Babylon]

2 hours ago, RobHawk said:

For all those scoffing over people saying they would have cooper over potter. 

 

Have a look at their records at Swansea, a team they both managed, in a similar timeframe and you'll find Cooper had the better record. 

 

Potter obviously went on and built his reputation at Brighton before the doomed Chelsea gig, Cooper got forest promoted, kept them up before being sacked. 

 

Potters teams don't score goals, that's a huge concern. Coopers never really cut it in the prem, that's a concern too. 

 

Just playing devil's advocate that if you look at the stats and forget reputations, it's not as clear cut as some are making out. 

He also took over a team that had been in the league two years already, he didn't get them promoted. In his three years, they finished 15th, 16th and then obviously, the standout season being 9th. 

[ClaphamFox]

28 minutes ago, Brizzle Fox said:

I honestly think with regard to where City are at the moment either Potter or Cooper would be fine. Certainly there are a lot worse options we've been linked with. 

 

I'm still a Corberan man myself though.

Yep, I'd prefer Corberan to any of the other names mentioned. Let's just pony up the £4m or whatever and get him. 

[daddylonglegs]

4 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Yep, I'd prefer Corberan to any of the other names mentioned. Let's just pony up the £4m or whatever and get him. 

Given our financial state, it feels an irresponsible use of £4m (Which we don't have), when there's at least two perfectly adequate candidates available for free.

[Babylon]

44 minutes ago, Seventyseven said:

Cooper literally learnt his trade with the FA. 
 

how anyone would want Cooper over Potter is beyond me. 

I'm not sure if there is a chasm between them in terms of records. Cooper was highly thought of as a youth coach, winningf trophies with England. Cooper did a better job at Swansea than Potter. Potter did well at Östersund, Cooper did well at Forest. Cooper kept up a newly promoted Forest, Potter kept up Brighton (who had been in the league two years already). If you took away his last Brighton season, there would be a fag packet between them. That season gives him the edge, but he was managing a slick club in Brighton, compared the the Forest basket cases. 

[RobHawk]

22 minutes ago, Babylon said:

He also took over a team that had been in the league two years already, he didn't get them promoted. In his three years, they finished 15th, 16th and then obviously, the standout season being 9th. 

Agreed, I can't see why people think potter is another level to Cooper. Much of a muchness in my eyes. 

 

Like many, I'd prefer neither of them, but Potter isn't as good as people think he is

[ClaphamFox]

9 minutes ago, daddylonglegs said:

Given our financial state, it feels an irresponsible use of £4m (Which we don't have), when there's at least two perfectly adequate candidates available for free.

Wrong on so many levels. First, we will absolutely have £4m to spend on a new manager, although it will probably need to be booked into next year's accounts. Second, which two 'perfectly adequate' candidates are actually available? And third, this is one of the most important managerial appointments in our history - do you really want to aim for 'adequate' and free rather than pay for somebody who's actually good? That there's crazy talk, daddy.

Edited 10 June by ClaphamFox

[CheeseHead]

2 minutes ago, daddylonglegs said:

Given our financial state, it feels an irresponsible use of £4m (Which we don't have), when there's at least two perfectly adequate candidates available for free.

If the club think that Corberan is the right appointment, then foregoing because of the £4m fee would be incredibly short-sighted. And we CAN pay the fee, we aren't penniless, our problems are to do with complying with non-sensical rules

[Fox92]

12 minutes ago, Babylon said:

He also took over a team that had been in the league two years already, he didn't get them promoted. In his three years, they finished 15th, 16th and then obviously, the standout season being 9th. 

Which coincided with their highest points and goals in the "PL era". 

 

He improved Brighton every year. He especially improved them defensively. In Hughton's last season Brighton conceded 60 goals, and in Potter's last (full) season Brighton conceded 44. 

 

I've always seen Potter as a "builder" and people have been asking for one of them since Pearson left.

 

I wouldn't say we are in a position to turn our noses up at Graham Potter. We need someone to keep us in the league, first and foremost, which I have no doubt Potter would do.

[Lako42]

2 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Which coincided with their highest points and goals in the "PL era". 

 

He improved Brighton every year. He especially improved them defensively. In Hughton's last season Brighton conceded 60 goals, and in Potter's last (full) season Brighton conceded 44. 

 

I've always seen Potter as a "builder" and people have been asking for one of them since Pearson left.

 

I wouldn't say we are in a position to turn our noses up at Graham Potter. We need someone to keep us in the league, first and foremost, which I have no doubt Potter would do.

Potter had an incredibly well ran club behind him with qualified people in important football touching roles. 

 

Appreciate the same shit set-up we've got would apply to all managers but I don't think Potter would be as successful here due to the much inferior DOF and the fact our analytics department seems to have lost key people. 

[Fox92]

2 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

Potter had an incredibly well ran club behind him with qualified people in important football touching roles. 

 

Appreciate the same shit set-up we've got would apply to all managers but I don't think Potter would be as successful here due to the much inferior DOF and the fact our analytics department seems to have lost key people. 

Brighton were/are well run but that doesn't define the manager's success. They under performed this season for starters. If being a well run club made the manager's job easy then anyone could do it.

[Babylon]

7 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Which coincided with their highest points and goals in the "PL era". 

 

He improved Brighton every year. He especially improved them defensively. In Hughton's last season Brighton conceded 60 goals, and in Potter's last (full) season Brighton conceded 44. 

 

I've always seen Potter as a "builder" and people have been asking for one of them since Pearson left.

 

I wouldn't say we are in a position to turn our noses up at Graham Potter. We need someone to keep us in the league, first and foremost, which I have no doubt Potter would do.

I’m not turning my nose up at him, I’d be fine with either to be honest. Potter would probably be a preferred choice just about.

 

Football is a weird beast, sometimes it works for people, sometimes it doesn’t. Ive given up thinking too much about it after Ranieri, who nobody wanted, won us the league ha. 

[daddylonglegs]

2 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Wrong on so many levels. First, we will absolutely have £4m to spend on a new manager, although it will probably need to be booked into next year's accounts. Second, which two 'perfectly adequate' candidates are actually available? And third, this is one of the most important managerial appointments in our history - do you really want to aim for 'adequate' and free rather than pay for somebody who's actually good? That's crazy talk, daddy.

"Wrong on so many levels" goodness me! 

 

The two perfectly adequate candidates are Cooper & Potter. (I'd think that was obvious for someone as clever as you)

 

In terms of your point on 'adequate' over 'good', I'm unsure how you reach the conclusion that Corberan fits into the latter description with his CV over the other two. Potter did a brilliant job at Brighton & I'm not judging any manager under the Boehly administration at Chelsea, it's an absolute cesspit there. Cooper also has a good record at keeping teams in the league, as well as getting Forest promoted & a good record at Swansea/Eng juniors.

 

FWIW I think Corberan would be a good appointment too, I just think the idea of paying for a manager when there are (IMO) equally strong options available without compensation is silly.  

[ClaphamFox]

3 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

Potter had an incredibly well ran club behind him with qualified people in important football touching roles. 

 

Appreciate the same shit set-up we've got would apply to all managers but I don't think Potter would be as successful here due to the much inferior DOF and the fact our analytics department seems to have lost key people. 

A good friend of mine supports Swansea. I texted him over the weekend for his thoughts on Potter vs Cooper. His answer? "Potter would have been brilliant but he fell out with the owners very quickly and he wanted out. The football under Cooper was terrible but he got results when it mattered."

 

If it is to be Potter - and I don't think it will be - I hope the club is honest with him from the start about our situation. It doesn't sound like he would stick around if he felt he was misled in any way.

 

 

 

 

[fox_up_north]

Nobody seen in Morro's yet then?

[Lako42]

10 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Brighton were/are well run but that doesn't define the manager's success. They under performed this season for starters. If being a well run club made the manager's job easy then anyone could do it.

It doesn't define it and it doesn't make it easy. 

 

It makes it easier and increases the likelihood of success imo. 

 

 

It's all irrelevant as he wont come here anyway  

 

 

Edited 10 June by Lako42

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, daddylonglegs said:

"Wrong on so many levels" goodness me! 

 

The two perfectly adequate candidates are Cooper & Potter. (I'd think that was obvious for someone as clever as you)

 

In terms of your point on 'adequate' over 'good', I'm unsure how you reach the conclusion that Corberan fits into the latter description with his CV over the other two. Potter did a brilliant job at Brighton & I'm not judging any manager under the Boehly administration at Chelsea, it's an absolute cesspit there. Cooper also has a good record at keeping teams in the league, as well as getting Forest promoted & a good record at Swansea/Eng juniors.

 

FWIW I think Corberan would be a good appointment too, I just think the idea of paying for a manager when there are (IMO) equally strong options available without compensation is silly.  

I don't think Potter is really available, despite the club's obvious interest in him. I suspect he wants to England job & has a reasonable chance of getting it as I don't think Southgate will stay beyond this summer.

 

Is Cooper adequate? I'm not so sure. He kept Forest up because they were able to generate an atmosphere at the City Ground that created a significant home advantage. Away from home - when his tactical acumen was really tested - they were horrific. I'm not at all convinced by him.

 

I think Corberan has done a very good job at West Brom and performed a near-miracle at Huddersfield. I've also been influenced by the analysis of his tactics by Dominic Wells on the WYS podcast last week. It sounds like he has the same basic philosophy as Maresca but is more pragmatic and willing to change things when they're not working. Sounds ideal for us. If the club also believes Corberan is the best man for the job, I hope they go for him rather than save money by choosing a second or third choice.

 

[indierich06]

28 minutes ago, daddylonglegs said:

Given our financial state, it feels an irresponsible use of £4m (Which we don't have), when there's at least two perfectly adequate candidates available for free.

Feel like Potter and Cooper would want a lot higher wages, and they'd probably demand big signing on fees - agents have made sure that bringing in free transfers isn't as cheap as it used to be. Not saying it would be cheaper to pay £4m for Corberan, but I think by the time you take into account the differences in wages etc, it might not be as much of a gulf as you think,

[the draper]

1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said:

I don't think Potter is really available, despite the club's obvious interest in him. I suspect he wants to England job & has a reasonable chance of getting it as I don't think Southgate will stay beyond this summer.

 

Is Cooper adequate? I'm not so sure. He kept Forest up because they were able to generate an atmosphere at the City Ground that created a significant home advantage. Away from home - when his tactical acumen was really tested - they were horrific. I'm not at all convinced by him.

 

I think Corberan has done a very good job at West Brom and performed a near-miracle at Huddersfield. I've also been influenced by the analysis of his tactics by Dominic Wells on the WYS podcast last week. It sounds like he has the same basic philosophy as Maresca but is more pragmatic and willing to change things when they're not working. Sounds ideal for us. If the club also believes Corberan is the best man for the job, I hope they go for him rather than save money by choosing a second or third choice.

 

Thanks Dom , thought you lived local not Clapham 

[indierich06]

It's a Premier League job, one of the most high profile and well paid leagues in the world. And if you fail, you get a huge payoff. It's not like we're some tiny minnow club coming up either, the training ground is up there with the best in the world, there is a half decent squad there to work with. Yeah there's a lot of negatives, but there will be PLENTY of people that want it.

[Aus Fox]

I love looking at the odds and then seeing all the bullshit that gets written in the papers and online.

I think it would be funny to pick a random person, who would never be in contention for the job and then, all ask the bookies for the odds. Place a couple of quid bets here and there and then watch the odds tumble. With the manager market it really doesn’t take a big bet to bring the odds right down.

So if you’re bored today, contact your local bookie and ask for the odds on Robbie Savage becoming the next LCFC manager, tell them you’ve had a tip.

If you’ve got a couple of quid to throw away for giggles put it on and see what happens to the odds

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, the draper said:

Thanks Dom , thought you lived local not Clapham 

I actually live in a village in Oxfordshire. My time in Clapham is but a wistful memory these days...

[Fox92]

7 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

It doesn't define it and it doesn't make it easy. 

 

It makes it easier and increases the likelihood of success imo. 

 

 

It's all irrelevant as he wont come here anyway  

 

 

Yeah, I don't think he would want to work with Rudkin personally.

[mazarron fox]

In my humble opinion it doesn’t matter who we get as the bigger question is will there even be a premier league as we know it to play in? As I see it the whole pack of cards is starting to fall.

[mazarron fox]

Maybe not this season but within the next couple of years, clubs won’t put up much longer with this corrupt league and it’s masters