Election prediction time

[bovril]

2 minutes ago, Angus Scott said:

Perhaps this thread should be re-titled "We all love the Labour Party"

Most people here are under 75 to be fair

[Raj]

3 minutes ago, Angus Scott said:

Perhaps this thread should be re-titled "We all love the Labour Party"

Id be embarrassed to post on here if i supported the Tories let alone try and defend them

[RoboFox]

5 minutes ago, Raj said:

Id be embarrassed to post on here if i supported the Tories let alone try and defend them

Ever since MattP left there's been one man holding the line. And even now I think he's starting to turn. 

 

 

[Robo61]

8 minutes ago, Angus Scott said:

Perhaps this thread should be re-titled "We all love the Labour Party"

Not sure how much of this you have read ,  but I don't see an awful lot of love for Labour,  just a loathing of the current government borne out of experience.  In any case I think I speak for most on hear in saying it would be great to hear other voices in order to foster real debate,  rather than it being an echo chamber which with a few exceptions it has become.

[Torquay Gunner]

I haven’t decided who I going to vote for yet, but certainly won’t be the tories. 

[jgtuk]

6 minutes ago, Angus Scott said:

Perhaps this thread should be re-titled "We all love the Labour Party"

To be honest, I detest the current Labour Party but I also know that they’re head and shoulders above some other parties likely to get seats. 
Hold your nose, defeat the tories, try and kill Reform, job done. 
Horrible times we’re living in. 

[urban.spaceman]

I'm gonna shock everyone here but I'm very right wing and I love it.

[Angus Scott]

5 minutes ago, Robo61 said:

Not sure how much of this you have read ,  but I don't see an awful lot of love for Labour,  just a loathing of the current government borne out of experience.  In any case I think I speak for most on hear in saying it would be great to hear other voices in order to foster real debate,  rather than it being an echo chamber which with a few exceptions it has become.

In fairness I have only read the last few pages. I just think that the written aggression towards anyone who may not agree with the "Tory scum", "fascist Reform" or any other party is totally wrong. People are entitled to their beliefs.

 

[bovril]

I'm more socially conservative than anybody in my family and circle of friends and I would quite like a right wing party to at least consider voting for but I don't really enjoy having my living standards ****ed. And then there's the fact that the Conservative party do very little conserving anyway. 

[Angus Scott]

11 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I'm gonna shock everyone here but I'm very right wing and I love it.

Good for you for saying it. I hope you don't get too much abuse

[ealingfox]

5 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

They could start by ensuring council housing is of a decent well-maintained standard, especially if they are going to house asylum seekers in nearby hotels.  For most of us, the idea of living in a bog standard UK hotel more than a week or two is not attractive.  How shit does your accommodation have to be to think this is a luxury?

 

I suppose my point is there are lots of low hanging fruit for Farage and co, so the Conservatives have only themselves to blame.

 

If you think Farage will do anything at all for the people of Clacton in office I'm afraid you may be disappointed. 

[Raj]

16 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I'm gonna shock everyone here but I'm very right wing and I love it.

 

5 minutes ago, Angus Scott said:

Good for you for saying it. I hope you don't get too much abuse

 

Ive blocked him! 

[leicsmac]

26 minutes ago, Angus Scott said:

In fairness I have only read the last few pages. I just think that the written aggression towards anyone who may not agree with the "Tory scum", "fascist Reform" or any other party is totally wrong. People are entitled to their beliefs.

 

And long should it remain so.

 

... up to the point those beliefs cause tangible harm to other people. Of course, that's a result of action rather than word (most of the time), but I'm not sure that waiting for that to occur should, for instance, Reform win enough votes to shape policy, is necessarily the best idea.

 

Equally, while people are entitled to their beliefs, others and likewise equally entitled to pass judgement on those beliefs, as long as the above covenant isn't broken.

Edited 18 June by leicsmac

[BenTheFox]

10 minutes ago, bovril said:

I'm more socially conservative than anybody in my family and circle of friends and I would quite like a right wing party to at least consider voting for but I don't really enjoy having my living standards ****ed. And then there's the fact that the Conservative party do very little conserving anyway. 

Oh, if a party that promised less privatisation and investment in public services but were more socially conservative on issues such as crime, immigration etc. They'd absolutely clean up. 

[MustardTiger]

47 minutes ago, Angus Scott said:

Perhaps this thread should be re-titled "We all love the Labour Party"

Yeah its a bit of a circle-jerk in here sometimes, but to be fair they are also the most eloquent posters a lot of the time. The derision and snark is what gets me, some posters are just obnoxious whether they are right or wrong. Whatever, I'm a lurker 99% of the time.

 

10 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

Oh, if a party that promised less privatisation and investment in public services but were more socially conservative on issues such as crime, immigration etc. They'd absolutely clean up. 

 

I think this is me as well. Floating voter, whole mix up of views from across the spectrum depending on the issue. I don't like all the social policies of the Greens or Lib dems etc, but also don't want the country to be ran by the low calibre of candidates that Reform puts up, in it for themselves.

 

Labour are absolutely playing this as "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake", saying nothing of substance in order to not risk messing up their lead, which is largely based out of a quite right backlash against a pretty rancid 14 years of Conservative government. For the sake of gaining power, its probably a smart tactical move. They are saying "Change" but I don't see it, apart from red tie / blue tie. They've actually lost my vote at this point in the campaign compared to before the election was announced.

 

If it was tomorrow, I'd spoil my ballot I think. But there's still a way to go and I'm open to being convinced by Labour.

 

[Greg2607]

apologies @Raj i promised i'd do this last week, but here is another In Depth on the labour Manifesto - 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyxx1lq50nlo

 

again, in the interests of balance and allowing everyone to make an informed choice - 

 

This is Plaid Cymru (in case we have any welsh foxes) 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgg1z4n2vno

 

Green Party

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czddq40z2zno

 

Conservative

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgglmwwlggo

 

Liberal Democrat

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqeevzldj0jo

 

They haven't yet done one for Reform.... but if they do I'll post it. 

 

Now..... elections are at their most powerful, when the people choose to actually vote.  To have their say.  Clearly, we won't all agree (it's impossible for us to!) but if you don't get out and vote, regardless of the party that you vote for, then you can't complain if the party that does get in, does things that you don't agree with. 

 

TODAY is the last day that you can register to vote. It's super simple to do. 

 

https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

 

I'm very much a Labour voter (mainly when they are more centrist) but I don't hold any ill will against people that see the world differently to me, it's what makes us all human at the end of the day. 

 

I have to say, I've enjoyed having a Political Thread back on the forum and I've also enjoyed the fact it hasn't descended (yet) into mud slinging and name calling. SO to all of you who are contributing in a grown up way. Thankyou. 

 

 

[ozleicester]

found the reform voter

[Greg2607]

8 minutes ago, MustardTiger said:

Yeah its a bit of a circle-jerk in here sometimes, but to be fair they are also the most eloquent posters a lot of the time. The derision and snark is what gets me, some posters are just obnoxious whether they are right or wrong. Whatever, I'm a lurker 99% of the time.

 

 

I think this is me as well. Floating voter, whole mix up of views from across the spectrum depending on the issue. I don't like all the social policies of the Greens or Lib dems etc, but also don't want the country to be ran by the low calibre of candidates that Reform puts up, in it for themselves.

 

Labour are absolutely playing this as "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake", saying nothing of substance in order to not risk messing up their lead, which is largely based out of a quite right backlash against a pretty rancid 14 years of Conservative government. For the sake of gaining power, its probably a smart tactical move. They are saying "Change" but I don't see it, apart from red tie / blue tie. They've actually lost my vote at this point in the campaign compared to before the election was announced.

 

If it was tomorrow, I'd spoil my ballot I think. But there's still a way to go and I'm open to being convinced by Labour.

 

depending on your strength of feeling towards (or against) the tories and you are feeling like you don't quite know how to vote, then this website can always tell you your tactical vote to NOT return a Conservative MP. 

 

https://stopthetories.vote/

 

Of course, that might not be your position at all.

 

Alternatively, if you happen to be in a seat, where the incumbent is as safe as safe can be (and you wouldn't vote for them) , and you'd rather vote for a party in a seat where they have a chance of winning, then you can always swap your vote and have it matched in a seat where it might make a difference. 

 

https://www.swapmyvote.uk/

 

 

[Raj]

14 minutes ago, Greg2607 said:

apologies @Raj i promised i'd do this last week, but here is another In Depth on the labour Manifesto - 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyxx1lq50nlo

 

again, in the interests of balance and allowing everyone to make an informed choice - 

 

This is Plaid Cymru (in case we have any welsh foxes) 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgg1z4n2vno

 

Green Party

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czddq40z2zno

 

Conservative

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgglmwwlggo

 

Liberal Democrat

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqeevzldj0jo

 

They haven't yet done one for Reform.... but if they do I'll post it. 

 

Now..... elections are at their most powerful, when the people choose to actually vote.  To have their say.  Clearly, we won't all agree (it's impossible for us to!) but if you don't get out and vote, regardless of the party that you vote for, then you can't complain if the party that does get in, does things that you don't agree with. 

 

TODAY is the last day that you can register to vote. It's super simple to do. 

 

https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

 

I'm very much a Labour voter (mainly when they are more centrist) but I don't hold any ill will against people that see the world differently to me, it's what makes us all human at the end of the day. 

 

I have to say, I've enjoyed having a Political Thread back on the forum and I've also enjoyed the fact it hasn't descended (yet) into mud slinging and name calling. SO to all of you who are contributing in a grown up way. Thankyou. 

 

 

Top stuff brother

 

I actually like some of the ideas from the Green party and Lib Dems too!

Wish Labour or Lib Dme (We know what they did in coalition!!)  had done more about student fees as it might affect my kids soon, but only looks like the Greens want to scrap them

Edited 18 June by Raj

[StanSP]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

I'm gonna shock everyone here but I'm very right wing and I love it.

Are you Joe Lycett in disguise? 

 

 

 

[urban.spaceman]

38 minutes ago, Greg2607 said:

apologies @Raj i promised i'd do this last week, but here is another In Depth on the labour Manifesto - 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyxx1lq50nlo

 

again, in the interests of balance and allowing everyone to make an informed choice - 

 

This is Plaid Cymru (in case we have any welsh foxes) 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgg1z4n2vno

 

Green Party

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czddq40z2zno

 

Conservative

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgglmwwlggo

 

Liberal Democrat

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqeevzldj0jo

 

They haven't yet done one for Reform.... but if they do I'll post it. 

 

Now..... elections are at their most powerful, when the people choose to actually vote.  To have their say.  Clearly, we won't all agree (it's impossible for us to!) but if you don't get out and vote, regardless of the party that you vote for, then you can't complain if the party that does get in, does things that you don't agree with. 

 

TODAY is the last day that you can register to vote. It's super simple to do. 

 

https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

 

I'm very much a Labour voter (mainly when they are more centrist) but I don't hold any ill will against people that see the world differently to me, it's what makes us all human at the end of the day. 

 

I have to say, I've enjoyed having a Political Thread back on the forum and I've also enjoyed the fact it hasn't descended (yet) into mud slinging and name calling. SO to all of you who are contributing in a grown up way. Thankyou. 

 

 

 

32 minutes ago, Greg2607 said:

depending on your strength of feeling towards (or against) the tories and you are feeling like you don't quite know how to vote, then this website can always tell you your tactical vote to NOT return a Conservative MP. 

 

https://stopthetories.vote/

 

Of course, that might not be your position at all.

 

Alternatively, if you happen to be in a seat, where the incumbent is as safe as safe can be (and you wouldn't vote for them) , and you'd rather vote for a party in a seat where they have a chance of winning, then you can always swap your vote and have it matched in a seat where it might make a difference. 

 

https://www.swapmyvote.uk/

 

 

Really, really important posts, apolitical/unbiased and informative. 

 

Mods, would it be possible to pin this information to the top of the general chat for people who don't engage in the political threads? I appreciate you don't want political discussions to get out of hand but this information is important especially to help people make up their minds.

[Daggers]

2 hours ago, Angus Scott said:

In fairness I have only read the last few pages. I just think that the written aggression towards anyone who may not agree with the "Tory scum", "fascist Reform" or any other party is totally wrong. People are entitled to their beliefs.

 

I think you’re conflating epithets given to Parties and MPs with voters. 
 

If someone belongs to the Tory Party, they are scum for the 14 years of unjustifiable misery and suffering they’ve inflicted on the poor. 
 

If someone is standing for Reform - all the evidence tells us that they are either a bigot, a fascist, a racist, a Nazi or a fantasist. That’s not slinging out a side for the sake of it, it’s documented fact. 
 

If someone here plans on voting for either I’d welcome to hear a reasoned argument as to why. 

[westernpark]

Those wondering why individuals want to vote for Reform. You only have to see the downward spiral of Blue Van Man since Covid, that indicates the effects of Covid lockdown and increased internet use, making quite ordinary people increasingly paranoid about things that aren’t important. 

[izzymuzzet]

2 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

Oh, if a party that promised less privatisation and investment in public services but were more socially conservative on issues such as crime, immigration etc. They'd absolutely clean up. 

This is the real centre of English politics. Fund the NHS, bring back the death penalty.

[Greg2607]

8 minutes ago, westernpark said:

Those wondering why individuals want to vote for Reform. You only have to see the downward spiral of Blue Van Man since Covid, that indicates the effects of Covid lockdown and increased internet use, making quite ordinary people increasingly paranoid about things that aren’t important. 

Parties like Reform appeal mainly to the disaffected, or those who feel let down by the main stream parties.  They generally have simplistic slogans, and policies that on the surface look attractive to the "average" voter. 

 

If you were on minimum wage and living on £50 a week after bills.... guess what.... raising income tax above £20k is probably really appealing..... 

 

if you've bought into the narrative that illegal migration has caused all of societies ills (spoiler alter, it hasn't) then you would be happy for them saying they would deport everyone and have immigration as zero. 

 

it's how brexit manifested and got delivered... it was built on slogans, untruths and down right lies at times.... but it appealed to enough people to happen... 

 

THAT is the fear... that this builds momentum and becomes a mainstream party that is elected in 2029 when things haven't changed that much over the next 5 years....