Election prediction time

[Brizzle Fox]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

settle in, the Tories are gonna be a popcorn sideshow for the next few years.

 

 

The thing is there was only 2 people they could vote for anyway.

 

And they ****ed that up.

[CosbehFox]

Rishi Sunak today with probably his greatest statement in HoC. Hopefully we can return to those sensibilities he showed today

[The Fox Covert]

3 hours ago, Daggers said:

Tobi will be in for a shock when he discovers Sam doesn’t exist. 

 

 

Sam Baron hasn't got a clue what he is talking about. There will be plenty of space on the Opposition front benches but House of Commons protocol will dictate that the front bench is taken by the Tories and the Liberals. Farage and his knuckle-dragging henchmen will have to sit in the naughty corner at the back with the ever-dwindling ranks of the DUP. Farage hates not being the centre of attention and he will soon find out that he will only have the same right to question the Prime Minister as a back bencher from the major parties. About one question allowed per year, if he is very lucky.

[Daggers]

14 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Rishi Sunak today with probably his greatest statement in HoC. Hopefully we can return to those sensibilities he showed today

It was striking how civil and good humoured the House was today - an absolute contrast to how it was prior to the election - but annoyingly not how they carry themselves in PMQs. 
 

Anyone familiar with the committees will tell you that this civility exists throughout most sessions and is how the work of Parliament gets done. 
 

In many ways, the House is a fool to itself and could do with a competent PR officer to promote the positive nature of politics. It might help people understand that most MPs work hard, are well meaning and that adult choices involve compromise. 

[Tuna]

30 minutes ago, Brizzle Fox said:

The thing is there was only 2 people they could vote for anyway.

 

And they ****ed that up.

They have 121 MPs and Blackman got 61, so it wouldn't have mattered anyway

[Dunge]

49 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

This was written a couple of months before the election but I thought it was very interesting and I suspect there's at least some truth in the arguments made: 

 

https://www.bylinesupplement.com/p/politics-isnt-about-politics-for

I think there’s a lot of truth there.

[Daggers]

How it started

 

 

How it’s going

 

[RoboFox]

10 minutes ago, Daggers said:

How it started

 

 

How it’s going

 

How TF does anyone get anything done on the phone surrounded like that? Total social anxiety nightmare.

 

Today had to lock myself alone in a meeting room to call up for an appointment with my dentist.

[urban.spaceman]

When you've turned the politics thread into a confused anti-trans rights debate and everyone's looking at you desperate that you don't get the thread banned.

 

[urban.spaceman]

In other news, new Lib Dem MP for Torbay Steve Darling has a guide dog. Her name is Jennie and she already has a twitter account.

 

 

Can't wait for her to bark at Braverman whenever she's making a speech.

[urban.spaceman]

That would be Braverman making the speech, not the dog. To be clear.

[Tuna]

7 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

In other news, new Lib Dem MP for Torbay Steve Darling has a guide dog. Her name is Jennie and she already has a twitter account.

 

 

Can't wait for her to bark at Braverman whenever she's making a speech.

Shame he's not the MP for Barking

[Dunge]

17 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

That would be Braverman making the speech, not the dog. To be clear.

Braverman: *Dog whistle politics

Jennie: *Pricks up ears

[Daggers]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

When you've turned the politics thread into a confused anti-trans rights debate and everyone's looking at you desperate that you don't get the thread banned.

 

But what if I a) provided evidence that there has been no anti-trans comments? Would you change you position? And b) something else that is completely bollocks because something with a fancy word just to show I’m really serious about having a rational debate about something I’m opposed to because I hate people being happy even though it has zero impact on my life?

 

If you don’t reply I’m going to get my friend to say you are cancelling me even though I’ve dominated the thread with horseshit for two days. 
 

Don’t say I spend my life thinking about what’s in people’s trousers. I don’t. I just want people to continue to have the same things in their trousers. No, I don’t know why. *im screaming that bit*
 

Philosoffffffeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

[ozleicester]

On 09/07/2024 at 02:05, Dahnsouff said:

If you want good public services you need higher tax. It’s not difficult to understand why, the fact politicians have long used the opposite as a vote winner is shameful.

 

On 09/07/2024 at 03:48, David Hankey said:

Mate, if you think the "working class" i.e. the ordinary people of this country are not going to be taxed further you are in for a rude awakening.

The flaw in taxation is the cuts to corporate and wealth tax. Pre Thatcher and Reagan wealhty paid up to 90c in the dollar for extreme wealth... corporations were paying around 70c in the dollar.

All those taxes built the NHS and roads etc etc.  You cant keep cutting tax to the wealthy and the corporations.. and expect to receive the same services.

Just for a laff... Australia some years ago introduced a Petroleum rents tax.. to get some money back from the fossil fuel producers/miners here... last year... the government erned MORE from people paying off their student debt... than they got from the Petrol tax  

https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/yes-the-government-collects-more-money-from-hecs-than-it-does-from-the-petroleum-resource-rent-tax/

 

 

 

 

[RobHawk]

8 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

I can't be bothered to click on the link and see what the rest of the tweet says, but i assume it's:

 

* Badenoch said that Sunak's decision to call an early election without informing his Cabinet was a mistake…

 

...Because it meant they couldn't bet on the outcome as well.

 

[Grebfromgrebland]

Sadly some analysts believe the Tories lost ground to reform because they weren't cruel enough. 

 

If true it's a sad reflection on the human psyche

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Sadly some analysts believe the Tories lost ground to reform because they weren't cruel enough. 

 

If true it's a sad reflection on the human psyche

It is sad, but sadly not unexpected out in various corners of the world.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

9 hours ago, The Fox Covert said:

Farage hates not being the centre of attention and he will soon find out that he will only have the same right to question the Prime Minister as a back bencher from the major parties. About one question allowed per year, if he is very lucky.

This is also nonsense.

 

Farage is a leader of a party and his party received a considerable number of votes.

He is also a back bench MP - and it is part of The Speakers job to look after the interests of back bench MP’s.

 

It is therefore highly likely that during PMQ’s if Farage (or fellow MP’s) wants to catch the speakers eye… he will catch it.

 

Ok, he (or fellow MP’s) will only get one question as opposed to the six the official opposition get - but one’s enough for a sound bite. 

 

And to clarify - the same will no doubt apply to the Green’s.

But of course PMQ’s is just one part of Parliamentary business. 
 

As a party leader, Farage will get the right to respond to set-piece events like the King’s Speech and Budgets - he’ll be further down the line, but again, he’ll get the opportunity to make a sound bite.

 

Then they’ll be plenty of other debates across the Parliamentary term - where opportunity largely rests on whether you turn up… and across the 5 of them, I imagine one of them will because their goal will be to gain wider exposure and to be shown to be holding the government to account.

The other area I expect Farage will become active in is one of the many scrutiny committees - which again, will guarantee him exposure, TV time, column inches.

 

Finally - just being in the House of Commons puts you in a position to court the Lobby journalists - who will interview him because like him or loath him, he gets views, clicks and reaction (and a large part of our press leans towards the right).

 

Therefore, you know - don’t fool yourself in thinking Farage won’t get attention.
 

Lots of MP’s have made a reputation for themselves from the bank benches in the past and Farage has the added ‘legitimacy’ of being a party leader under pinned by 4 million votes.

[Sampson]

2 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

This is also nonsense.

 

Farage is a leader of a party and his party received a considerable number of votes.

He is also a back bench MP - and it is part of The Speakers job to look after the interests of back bench MP’s.

 

It is therefore highly likely that during PMQ’s if Farage (or fellow MP’s) wants to catch the speakers eye… he will catch it.

 

Ok, he (or fellow MP’s) will only get one question as opposed to the six the official opposition get - but one’s enough for a sound bite. 

 

And to clarify - the same will no doubt apply to the Green’s.

But of course PMQ’s is just one part of Parliamentary business. 
 

As a party leader, Farage will get the right to respond to set-piece events like the King’s Speech and Budgets - he’ll be further down the line, but again, he’ll get the opportunity to make a sound bite.

 

Then they’ll be plenty of other debates across the Parliamentary term - where opportunity largely rests on whether you turn up… and across the 5 of them, I imagine one of them will because their goal will be to gain wider exposure and to be shown to be holding the government to account.

The other area I expect Farage will become active in is one of the many scrutiny committees - which again, will guarantee him exposure, TV time, column inches.

 

Finally - just being in the House of Commons puts you in a position to court the Lobby journalists - who will interview him because like him or loath him, he gets views, clicks and reaction (and a large part of our press leans towards the right).

 

Therefore, you know - don’t fool yourself in thinking Farage won’t get attention.
 

Lots of MP’s have made a reputation for themselves from the bank benches in the past and Farage has the added ‘legitimacy’ of being a party leader under pinned by 4 million votes.

You should listen to Caroline Lucas’ interview on the podcast with Rory Stewart and Alistair Campbell where she talks a bit about the frustration of being a leader of a very small party in terms of seats parliament.

 

One of her point was when she put something on the agenda to the speaker, the reality is so many put things on there and there is not time for everything and the speaker has to choose what to talk about and that’s naturally going to be the stuff the major parties want to talk about

 

If you’re the leader of the SNP or LibDems when they have 50+ seats you might be able to get some airtime, but reality is with parties of less than 10 seats you can’t really make any difference on or get much time to talk about policy. 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

5 minutes ago, Sampson said:

You should listen to Caroline Lucas’ interview on the podcast with Rory Stewart and Alistair Campbell where she talks a bit about the frustration of being a leader of a very small party in terms of seats parliament.

 

One of her point was when she put something on the agenda to the speaker, the reality is so many put things on there and there is not time for everything and the speaker has to choose what to talk about and that’s naturally going to be the stuff the major parties want to talk about

 

If you’re the leader of the SNP or LibDems when they have 50+ seats you might be able to get some airtime, but reality is with parties of less than 10 seats you can’t really make any difference on or get much time to talk about policy. 

But the comparison of someone like Lucas - who genuinely wanted to effect policy change - to Farage is not a good one.

 

All the Reform guys will want is an opportunity to say “Labour, you’re crap!” and have it shown on TV later in the evening - and they will get plenty of opportunity to do just that.

 

They don’t want or need to set an agenda in Parliament. Being seen to be in opposition is enough (this was how the SNP grew initial support before ****ing themselves).

[CosbehFox]

Is there not a danger of Farage being exposed a bit given the financial scrunity MPs face? My thought process has been he will get bored if the pennies dry up from it. 

[urban.spaceman]

 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

10 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Is there not a danger of Farage being exposed a bit given the financial scrunity MPs face? My thought process has been he will get bored if the pennies dry up from it. 

Probably not - he’s an ex banker so will know how to handle his finances to ensure as little scrutiny as possible (and even if something is found he can declare it a “establishment stitch-up.”

 

A lot of these type of points are made out of hope from those directly opposed to Farage - there’s little grounding of reality in them.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

6 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

Strange for Ashworth to so publicly committee contempt of court.