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10 minutes ago, FoxyPV said:

Starmer said that they can cannot recognise Palestine as it could damage their special relationship with the US

I just googled Starmer Palestine and there is nothing that mentions the special relationship the USA being damaged. In fact it says they could recognise Palestine. 

 

You got a link?

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1 hour ago, Facecloth said:

I just googled Starmer Palestine and there is nothing that mentions the special relationship the USA being damaged. In fact it says they could recognise Palestine. 

 

You got a link?

From the Times

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12 hours ago, Zear0 said:

Labour didn't ban puberty blockers for children, the NHS did on the recommendation of NICE. 

Not entirely true. Following the cass review (which was a stitch up as admitted by Badenoch, and is getting shredded by academics), the NHS stopped prescribing outside of clinical trials. Cass didn't recommend a ban, but declared there wasn't enough evidence of efficacy for them to be prescribed on the NHS. the outgoing health secretary implemented a temporary ban on obtaining them by private prescription until september, Weasel Streeting wants to make that permanent.

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11 hours ago, FoxyPV said:

The Cass report is a farce. It has little to no support from any LGBTQ groups.

 

Importantly, it also has little to no support from academics in the field. It was a truly abysmal piece of work, the antithesis of a metareview, grossly misapplying academic study grading criteria (you cannot double blind studies on puberty blocking, transition or surgery for very very obvious reasons - kids can very easily see when they're going through puberty, and we don't put cones of shame on human patients), choosing to evaluate inappropriate criteria (you will not find improvement of mental health in trans kids given puberty blockers compared to their baseline prior to puberty blocking, it's a pause button - the appropriate comparison is against those who don't go on puberty blockers) and applying inappropriate controls (it holds up Ruuska et al, which misassigns mental health interventions as a confounding variable rather than a mediating one to hide a statistically significant higher suicide rate among gender diverse kids as a result of widespread discrimination). As a consideration of healthcare goes, it completely fails to engage with appropriate stakeholders - to quote PATHA, the New Zealand Aotearoa medical body for trans healthcare: "It’s shocking to see such a significant inquiry into transgender health completely disregard the voices of transgender experts. It would be like reviewing women’s health with no women, or Māori health with no Māori involved." Like if you want to seriously ask about the state of trans healthcare in the UK, you need to engage with patients and find out the issues. You might then find out that the current projected wait time for some of the GICs is measured not in weeks, but decades, resulting in a situation where the majority will try to go private instead.

 

For those who are genuinely interested, I would recommend reading the absolute savaging that Yales legal and medicine departments, in association with multiple other academics in the US, have given it: https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/integrity-project_cass-response.pdf

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38 minutes ago, FoxyPV said:

From the Times

So you've sent a pre election article to back up something you said Starmer said post election, and its not even something he said. It's pre election speculation.

 

Try this

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/12/keir-starmer-britain-recognise-palestine-before-us-israel/

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn07e2ep20no

 

The deputy prime minister has dismissed comments by Donald Trump's running mate for US vice president that UK under Labour might be the first "truly Islamist" country with nuclear weapons.

JD Vance, the Ohio senator chosen as Mr Trump's vice presidential candidate on Monday night, made the comments while at the National Conservatism conference in Washington DC last week.

The 39-year-old said he was "beating up" on the UK, and had discussed with a friend “what is the first truly Islamist country to get a nuclear weapon", then joked "maybe it's Iran, maybe Pakistan kind of counts, and then we sort of decided maybe it's actually the UK since Labour just took over".

Wonder what diplomacy will be like with an administration who is so obviously contemptuous?

 

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8 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn07e2ep20no

 

The deputy prime minister has dismissed comments by Donald Trump's running mate for US vice president that UK under Labour might be the first "truly Islamist" country with nuclear weapons.

JD Vance, the Ohio senator chosen as Mr Trump's vice presidential candidate on Monday night, made the comments while at the National Conservatism conference in Washington DC last week.

The 39-year-old said he was "beating up" on the UK, and had discussed with a friend “what is the first truly Islamist country to get a nuclear weapon", then joked "maybe it's Iran, maybe Pakistan kind of counts, and then we sort of decided maybe it's actually the UK since Labour just took over".

Wonder what diplomacy will be like with an administration who is so obviously contemptuous?

 

Still can’t believe on of the main arguments Farage used to trot out for Brexit was that people wanted to get closer ties to and try to get a trade agreement with America, as if they care about us. Our values are much closer to other western and central European countries than the US anyway and given we’re a small player nowadays in the geopolitical game, I’d far far rather that we side with the EU, despite some of its faults than with the US, Russia or China.

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8 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn07e2ep20no

 

The deputy prime minister has dismissed comments by Donald Trump's running mate for US vice president that UK under Labour might be the first "truly Islamist" country with nuclear weapons.

JD Vance, the Ohio senator chosen as Mr Trump's vice presidential candidate on Monday night, made the comments while at the National Conservatism conference in Washington DC last week.

The 39-year-old said he was "beating up" on the UK, and had discussed with a friend “what is the first truly Islamist country to get a nuclear weapon", then joked "maybe it's Iran, maybe Pakistan kind of counts, and then we sort of decided maybe it's actually the UK since Labour just took over".

Wonder what diplomacy will be like with an administration who is so obviously contemptuous?

 

The sooner people in this country get over this 'special relationship' guff the better.

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14 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn07e2ep20no

 

The deputy prime minister has dismissed comments by Donald Trump's running mate for US vice president that UK under Labour might be the first "truly Islamist" country with nuclear weapons.

JD Vance, the Ohio senator chosen as Mr Trump's vice presidential candidate on Monday night, made the comments while at the National Conservatism conference in Washington DC last week.

The 39-year-old said he was "beating up" on the UK, and had discussed with a friend “what is the first truly Islamist country to get a nuclear weapon", then joked "maybe it's Iran, maybe Pakistan kind of counts, and then we sort of decided maybe it's actually the UK since Labour just took over".

Wonder what diplomacy will be like with an administration who is so obviously contemptuous?

 

Contemptuous or just plain ignorant?

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9 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Still can’t believe on of the main arguments Farage used to trot out for Brexit was that people wanted to get closer ties to and try to get a trade agreement with America, as if they care about us. Our values are much closer to other western and central European countries than the US anyway and given we’re a small player nowadays in the geopolitical game, I’d far far rather that we side with the EU, despite some of its faults than with the US, Russia or China.

Essentially Americans are descendants of people that Europe was glad to see the back of or brought unwillingly from Africa.

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1 minute ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Contemptuous or just plain ignorant?

Contemptuous. Much of the US elite hold the UK and Europe in contempt and the sooner people wake up to this the better. 

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Just now, Trav Le Bleu said:

Essentially Americans are descendants of people that Europe was glad to see the back of 

In Vance's case - Ulster Scots. Absolutely charming people...

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