Election prediction time

[Tommy G]

13 minutes ago, Tielemans63 said:

Sunak was predictably woeful, but Starmer has missed an open goal, there. You need more than to just point out how shit the opposition are - everyone knows that already. He's just so woolly about everything.

Starmer is so woolly - spot on, he deflects every question and his default response is still talking about Liz Truss crashing the economy, he should be able to make mince meat out of the tories given all their own goals under Boz and Truss but he can’t, hardly inspiring for the next 5 years and people will start to realise that. 

[Sampson]

**** me. This Reform UK guy is an absolute raving lunatic.

Edited 4 June by Sampson

[StanSP]

Be intriguing to see how the opinion polls that @urban.spaceman has kindly kept us up to date change, if at all, after tonight's showing. 

[westernpark]

55 minutes ago, Izzy said:

That's very polite.

 

She should never work in television again. Awful display.

She’s not welcome in Leicester anymore. Starmer needs to step up but the whole thing was generally abysmal.

[Tommy Fresh]

25 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Starmer is so woolly - spot on, he deflects every question and his default response is still talking about Liz Truss crashing the economy, he should be able to make mince meat out of the tories given all their own goals under Boz and Truss but he can’t, hardly inspiring for the next 5 years and people will start to realise that. 

Did you miss Sunak also repeating the same shite?

[MPH]

[StanSP]

 

[BenTheFox]

57 minutes ago, Sly said:

You could say that about a lot of practical subjects. 
 

When I left school in 1999, I had no idea about mortgage, pension, politics how to be an adult etc

 

It’s all good though, as I know loads about classical literature, the date for the Punic wars, trigonometry and can play a tune on a triangle. 

To be fair, I use trigonometry almost daily. 

[BenTheFox]

19 minutes ago, Sampson said:

**** me. This Reform UK guy is an absolute raving lunatic.

His 'two forms of socialism' line when talking about the tories and labour is just hilarious. He just looks stupid. 

[StanSP]

Why didn't Starmer rebuff Sunak like this? 

 

 

 

[Tommy G]

16 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Did you miss Sunak also repeating the same shite?

As a leader you need to be directive - all Starmer did was try and pull apart the Tories and mainly his reference points were Liz Truss! Which he knows is how the majority will vote off the back of what happened under the tories with Truss, Covid and Boris.
 

“Can you explain why you will be the first government where pensioners will be taxed on state pension?” Silence……well Liz Truss crashed the economy bla bla bla. This approach will wear thin on even the most staunch left voter. 

[goody2028]

 

[BenTheFox]

Just now, Tommy G said:

As a leader you need to be directive - all Starmer did was try and pull apart the Tories and mainly his reference points were Liz Truss! Which he knows is how the majority will vote off the back of what happened under the tories with Truss, Covid and Boris.
 

“Can you explain why you will be the first government where pensioners will be taxed on state pension?” Silence……well Liz Truss crashed the economy bla bla bla. This approach will wear thin on even the most staunch left voter. 

Many of the most 'staunch' left voters are disillusioned with Keir Starmer and the Labour Party. As a result, the Green Party will pick up their highest number of votes in their history, despite them only being able to win four seats max. 

[Daggers]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

Keir getting battered here, the tories have messed up so much and he has the biggest open goal - but he’s such a poor leader for Labour, he’s garbage. 

 

[Tommy Fresh]

8 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

As a leader you need to be directive - all Starmer did was try and pull apart the Tories and mainly his reference points were Liz Truss! Which he knows is how the majority will vote off the back of what happened under the tories with Truss, Covid and Boris.
 

“Can you explain why you will be the first government where pensioners will be taxed on state pension?” Silence……well Liz Truss crashed the economy bla bla bla. This approach will wear thin on even the most staunch left voter. 

Nice politicians answer brother, not what I asked

[Tommy G]

5 minutes ago, Daggers said:

 

In my opinion I don’t think it is - I can’t think of one thing he landed - he has had years to prepare for this moment and managed to come across really poor, and had all the ammunition handed to him on the plate to nail the tories. 
 

Massive own goal on the private healthcare question - millionaire Labour leader would refuse to use the private healthcare system if a relative needed it? He either comes across as heartless or a liar. 
 

It would free up a space on the waiting list too 

 

For context I don’t think the TV debates will move the needle - Truss, Boris, Partygate and Covid have made people’s minds up already. 

[Heathrow fox]

3 hours ago, Sampson said:

It doesn’t mean you should accept it as final and people absolutely should be now bringing it back into the discourse around how shit it’s been, more than enough time has passed now. Thats how democracy works. Brexit has been shit, the majority of people know it, the majority of people want to rejoin the uk and the demographics of the vote show that that feeling is only increasing over time.

 

The “we should accept it” stuff in 2024 is crap, if you accepted it in 2017 then fine, but we have elections every 4 or 5 years for a reason - so people can change course when evidence has been presented to them. The time at which you can reasonably say  “you should (still) accept the referendum” should’ve long expired by now.
 

We shouldn’t be still accepting being outside the EU because of a referendum from donkeys years ago, we should be reminding people that it’s been crap and keeping the discourse of how crap it’s been in the public eye so we can reasonably change course, as is the case in a democratic country. 

I think Starmer would be mad to even entertain the idea of a rejoin right now.It’s not just a case of a referendum to go back in.What terms will we rejoin on?Will we have to adopt the Euro?Would we get our special rights and veto’s back?Would we even be welcome?

It would re-open a hornet’s nest and take up so much parliamentary time and effort.

[BenTheFox]

I tell you who I think is an impressive performer, has a good set of principles, a world view that I largely share, comes across very engaging and confident, and appears to be in politics for right reasons...Stephen Flynn. It's just a shame that I can't vote for him. 

[samlcfc]

8 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

 

For context I don’t think the TV debates will move the needle - Truss, Boris, Partygate and Covid have made people’s minds up already. 

I think this probably sums up the format tbh.

 

These TV debates have been pretty consistently shite since inception and labour didn't really need to do anything other than not lose.

 

Doesn't matter what Starmer could be capable of. Walk in with a half decent plan and walk out. Polls showed 51/49 in Rishi's favour and that'll do just fine for Labour. 

 

Its been clear since the election was called that he wasn't going to face anything substantial from the Conservatives during this thing.

Edited 4 June by samlcfc

[Leicesterpool]

B'Stard had all worked out

 

[urban.spaceman]

 

 

[Zear0]

Just to bring this thread back to normal

 

 

[Daggers]

The people who really need to read this won’t… 
 

 

[Jon the Hat]

5 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

Probably true, Corbyn spent his entire political career arguing, rather than doing anything.

[Jon the Hat]

4 hours ago, Daggers said:

The people who really need to read this won’t… 
 

 

I read it.  Was rather dull.  We know where the money comes from, a bunch of rich right wingers.  I'm not sure picking apart every element of their background informs a lot more.   Unless anyone can actually prove (they have not yet) that there is money coming from Russia or other overseas actors?