Election prediction time

[fox_up_north]

1 hour ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Ok fair enough, you are the only person I will believe when moaning about the rich and 'don't they have enough'

You should give speeches!! Better than all the life coaches or inspiration mentors out there, you're actually walking your talking

I don't try and preach to people really. If they want to make their choices, they can do. All I do is just my thing and demonstrate. I give to charity - try to average about 1% of my income a la Juan Mata and volunteer my time to people where possible. 

 

If I get to 65 and have had a relatively stress free life, before dropping dead then that's fine by me. 

[Dunge]

3 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Would be nice to hear from some Tory voters though, without them being chased off of this thread. Struggling to think of why anyone, in any demographic or age group, would vote for them. I am reasonably sure they will get more than one vote on July 4, so would be good to hear from anyone who is a real person as to why they are voting that way.

I’m trying to think of some reasons to still vote Conservative. Frankly it’s pretty sparse since Liz Truss did a number on both party and economy, but here are some possibilities that I personally would find attractive (I appreciate some of these others here will strongly disagree with some):

 

- It’s kind of a vote against Reform UK, who I really do not want to see becoming the new right wing of British politics.

- They do not intend to lower the voting age to 16.

- I believe Sunak would stand at the forefront of AI development.

- We would stay at a political arm’s length from the EU.

- If I was in a constituency of a moderate Conservative MP who I liked and believed could help shape the party in the future.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

That's practically a rhetorical question, since it already said "you felt it was the only way forward." If you answer no, then you didn't feel it was the only way forward.

 

Either that or you were prepared to let someone die.

But it wasn't a question about life or death surgery, it was a question about long waiting lists for surgery. People have surgery for all sorts of non-life threatening issues.

 

"only way forward" can mean multiple things including "only way forward to having better health".

[Tuna]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

 

 

This is the hottest thread in General Chat for a while, beats what are you having for dinner anyway.

 

 

@tom27111 have a word

[urban.spaceman]

Je Suis Ed Davey. 
 

 

[Nalis]

Are Reform UK the gammons who spouted the likes of 'Brussels red tape' pre Brexit while balancing Maltesers in each corner of their Quaver smelling mouths?

Edited 5 June by Nalis

[sdb]

11 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Oh come on. Really? 

 

Isnt it much more likely he's a well meaning, geeky, high achieving, intelligent but socially awkward Individual? 

 

He leads an unusual life (as do most high achieving individuals) ....I don't need the leaders to be 'normal' blokes. In fact, I'd prefer they weren't. 

Are you for real? 

 

Rwanda scheme that breaches human rights? Not evil?! 

 

Allowing shit to be pumped into our waters? Allowing the rich to get richer and avoid tax, whilst millions spiral into poverty? Making hundreds of thousands per week, with a billionaire wife who has murky Russian ties.?

 

If you made him up as a Bond villain you'd say it was unrealistic

[Sampson]

6 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Are Reform UK the gammons who spouted the likes of 'Brussels red tape' pre Brexit while balancing Maltesers in each corner of their Quaver flavoured mouths?

Yep, they’re the ones. The leader guy who Farage just replaced was on ITV after the debate last night as well blaming the sun and volcanoes for climate change and saying humans contribute next to nothing to co2 and that he disagrees with 99.99% of scientists on the issue.
 

Then claiming he’d save the country billions by scrapping the green energy costs and any green technology, when the presenter said “yeah but all the data shows the opportunity costs of not making these green changes are far higher so they need to done”, he just ignored her and started claiming Labour and Conservatives were both just socialists and Reform UK were “businessmen “ who offer the real libertarian utopia or something.
 

Of course he definitely doesn’t have any alleged ties to oil or fossil fuel companies or anything. No sireeeey bob.

Edited 5 June by Sampson

[Nalis]

5 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Yep, they’re the ones. The leader guy who Farage just replaced was on ITV after the debate last night as well blaming the sun and volcanoes for climate change and saying humans contribute next to nothing to co2 and that he disagrees with 99.99% of scientists on the issue.
 

Then claiming he’d save the country billions by scrapping the green energy costs and any green technology, when the presenter said “yeah but all the data shows the opportunity costs of not making these green changes are far higher so they need to done”, he just ignored her and started claiming Labour and Conservatives were both just socialists and Reform UK were “businessmen “ who offer the real libertarian utopia or something.
 

Of course he definitely doesn’t have any alleged ties to oil or fossil fuel companies or anything. No sireeeey bob.

 Christ they sound more bonkers than I imagined.

[Dunge]

7 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Yep, they’re the ones. The leader guy who Farage just replaced was on ITV after the debate last night as well blaming the sun and volcanoes for climate change and saying humans contribute next to nothing to co2 and that he disagrees with 99.99% of scientists on the issue.
 

Then claiming he’d save the country billions by scrapping the green energy costs, when the presenter said “yeah but all the data shows the opportunity costs of not making these green changes are far higher so they need to done”, he just ignored her and started claiming Labour and Conservatives were both just socialists and Reform UK were “businessmen “ who offer the real libertarian utopia or something.

The trick is sometimes to properly spend time discussing an issue with them and letting them show their ignorance or hatred. Too often in interviews these days we have journalists who are focused on what they’re saying or sticking to an agenda and not just discussing details with someone. You don’t even have to raise your voice.

Edited 5 June by Dunge

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Yep, they’re the ones. The leader guy who Farage just replaced was on ITV after the debate last night as well blaming the sun and volcanoes for climate change and saying humans contribute next to nothing to co2 and that he disagrees with 99.99% of scientists on the issue.
 

Then claiming he’d save the country billions by scrapping the green energy costs and any green technology, when the presenter said “yeah but all the data shows the opportunity costs of not making these green changes are far higher so they need to done”, he just ignored her and started claiming Labour and Conservatives were both just socialists and Reform UK were “businessmen “ who offer the real libertarian utopia or something.
 

Of course he definitely doesn’t have any alleged ties to oil or fossil fuel companies or anything. No sireeeey bob.

It would be hilarious if the consequences of such ignorance weren't so serious.

 

Just now, Dunge said:

The trick is sometimes to properly spend time discussing an issue with them and letting them show their ignorance or hatred. Too often in interviews these days we have journalists who are focused on what they’re saying or sticking to an agenda and not just discussing details with someone. You don’t even have to raise you voice.

Nominally I'd agree with this, but that does rely on the hope that people can actually parse an issue like climate change in enough voting numbers to effect the change needed in the time we have.

[bovril]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

 

 

Reform voters like "I swear bro just one more Farage will fix it"

[bovril]

I didn't know about Ed Davey's son. The interview with him this week was very moving and it's very welcome to see people talking about experiences of caring for vulnerable members of society. 

[BeardyFox]

2 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

I think the main issue is that so far we've only seen people voting Tory being eternally obsessed with Labour, rather than eloquent reasons about their policies or why they deserve another five years at the wheel. If a Tory can set out their reasons why they're voting for them without some attack on the opposition then whilst it'd be challenged I'd hope people would respect it.

 

Blaming the party that hasn't been in power, or casting doubt on them seems to be the MO. It's like Labour need to prove why they should take over as if it's been 14 years of perfection.

 

Four more weeks of this, too. Tiresome. Bring on the exit poll on 04 July to signal the true end to this campaign.

Had this misfortune to overhear a discussion at work yesterday between one of the owners and her son. 
She’s voted Tory all her life absolute die hard. He has been too but this time he said he wouldn’t be voting for them. 
He basically said that things need a change and certainly the last 5 years have been crap. 
To which she responded with the old “well just wait til the other lot get in, it’ll be much worse. Tax will go up and then you’ll moan you can’t afford anything. “

Also “they had it tough during Covid, they shouldn’t have furloughed people and they aren’t to blame for mortgage rises”

 

How bad does it have to get, how many people using food banks and the state of social services have to be for people to think outside their little box!? 
 

When I mentioned the Greens and Lib Dems she about tore the place apart. 
But not once did she put forward a case for how good the Conservatives are or could be. 
 

 

[Tommy G]

49 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

But it wasn't a question about life or death surgery, it was a question about long waiting lists for surgery. People have surgery for all sorts of non-life threatening issues.

 

"only way forward" can mean multiple things including "only way forward to having better health".

Dancing round the handbags a bit like Keir does. The context of the clip was in relation to a woman in the audience who said due to long NHS waiting lists her relative died, which leads the presenter to ask if you had the money would you use private health. 
 

In an effort to align with the working man and to be relatable he tells us all the NHS runs through his DNA, tells us his Mrs works there again, just look at his flustered face while he blithers his answer. 

 

People would respect his honesty more - and understand he has the means to and 99% of people would do the same. Even the biggest Labour cuck can see that surely. 

FOR BALANCE - Rishi talked up his points and was talking across Keir and the presenter - which was wrong, get a stronger anchor next time. 

[Raj]

2 hours ago, Tommy G said:

I think @Raj it's about interesting debate - if you'd rather sling insults on a forum carry on, I'm beyond all that - you should be too at 50 odd. 

 

This is the hottest thread in General Chat for a while, beats what are you having for dinner anyway.

 

 

Chill Tommy hardly an insult you cant laugh off👍🏾sorry ot hurt your feelings.

P.S what are you having for dinner?

Edited 5 June by Raj

[Greg2607]

It's a pretty bad day for the Tories when the Spectator says that based on Rishi's commitments, and using the same calculations he used for labours policies it will cost every household £3000. 

 

The SPECTATOR!! It's literally the mouthpiece of the conservatives party but is taking a stance based on last night's lies. Jesus. 

[Raj]

14 minutes ago, BeardyFox said:

Had this misfortune to overhear a discussion at work yesterday between one of the owners and her son. 
She’s voted Tory all her life absolute die hard. He has been too but this time he said he wouldn’t be voting for them. 
He basically said that things need a change and certainly the last 5 years have been crap. 
To which she responded with the old “well just wait til the other lot get in, it’ll be much worse. Tax will go up and then you’ll moan you can’t afford anything. “

Also “they had it tough during Covid, they shouldn’t have furloughed people and they aren’t to blame for mortgage rises”

 

How bad does it have to get, how many people using food banks and the state of social services have to be for people to think outside their little box!? 
 

When I mentioned the Greens and Lib Dems she about tore the place apart. 
But not once did she put forward a case for how good the Conservatives are or could be. 
 

 

It's okay because the Tories just need another 14 years to implement all the amazing ideas they have just come up with now, like national service for kids!

People didnt really think 14 years was enough to make a positive impact in any area of this country.

Actually what ONE thing is better under this shower of sh1t?

Can anyone actually just name ONE thing better?

Just the one will do....

[Parafox]

9 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

I wouldn't ever call a Tory "evil". Sunak isn't evil. I don't think he's well meaning. I think he's an out of his depth chancer who lucked his way into the biggest job in the country, much to the joy of his high finance mates.

 

His, and many similar people's, issue is being woefully out of touch. Why can't well off people just stay in their happy little bubbles, pay enough tax so that not everything is crap and just be happy with a 5 bed detached house? 

 

If I won a million pounds, I'd just give up work and fanny about. Can't understand the sheer need to be that rich. I'd rather spending the money on a PT and get absolutely shredded.

 

 

9 hours ago, Innovindil said:

This reminds me of that tweet of someone saying they don't understand how someone can have as much money as someone like bezos and not just start randomly fixing shit that's wrong in the world and saying they could have been batman. 

 

It's true enough. No idea why someone with as much money as sunak is in politics, but I highly doubt it's to help the average person. 

 

Two words:

 

Greed.

 

Power.

Edited 5 June by Parafox

[Tommy G]

15 minutes ago, Raj said:

Chill Tommy hardly an insult you cant laugh off👍🏾sorry ot hurt your feelings.

P.S what are you having for dinner?

Takes a lot more than that don’t worry. 
 

Something basic I think for dinner, got to save some cash as I’m going to be £2k a year worse off soon 

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, Dunge said:

I’m trying to think of some reasons to still vote Conservative. Frankly it’s pretty sparse since Liz Truss did a number on both party and economy, but here are some possibilities that I personally would find attractive (I appreciate some of these others here will strongly disagree with some):

 

- It’s kind of a vote against Reform UK, who I really do not want to see becoming the new right wing of British politics.

- They do not intend to lower the voting age to 16.

- I believe Sunak would stand at the forefront of AI development.

- We would stay at a political arm’s length from the EU.

- If I was in a constituency of a moderate Conservative MP who I liked and believed could help shape the party in the future.

Fair enough, appreciate the response

[Sampson]

5 minutes ago, Raj said:

 

Actually what ONE thing is better under this shower of sh1t?

Can anyone actually just name ONE thing better?

Just the one will do....

The one thing I’ll give them is they did fully introduce same sex marriage, instead of that “separate but equal” civil partnership crap beforehand. But that was way back in 2013 when they were in coalition with the more socially liberal LibDems who were the ones campaigning for it in the lead up to the 2010 election.
 

After that I’m struggling.

[BeardyFox]

15 minutes ago, Raj said:

It's okay because the Tories just need another 14 years to implement all the amazing ideas they have just come up with now, like national service for kids!

People didnt really think 14 years was enough to make a positive impact in any area of this country.

Actually what ONE thing is better under this shower of sh1t?

Can anyone actually just name ONE thing better?

Just the one will do....

I feel less self conscious about my own dance moves now since dear Theresa. 

[HighPeakFox]

15 minutes ago, Raj said:

Actually what ONE thing is better under this shower of sh1t?

Can anyone actually just name ONE thing better?

Just the one will do....

The gerrymandering has got better.

[grobyfox1990]

59 minutes ago, sdb said:

Are you for real? 

 

Rwanda scheme that breaches human rights? Not evil?! 

 

Allowing shit to be pumped into our waters? Allowing the rich to get richer and avoid tax, whilst millions spiral into poverty? Making hundreds of thousands per week, with a billionaire wife who has murky Russian ties.?

 

If you made him up as a Bond villain you'd say it was unrealistic

All in context.
The crux of the scheme is send people to a safe country. 

You allow your waste to be exported to Malaysia and turkey to be burned and poison the local communities. You buy petrol that has been subject to flaring and kills kids in the area 

You make tens of thousands of pounds per year whilst billions around the world near die of hunger on c.$1 a day. You are not evil, neither is sunak. He’s just an incompetent idiot