Election prediction time

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, bovril said:

I agree but you can't offer solutions if you don't even acknowledge that this will pose a huge challenge for developed countries. Until eventually people vote for the party that promises to shoot anyone trying to cross the border. It's ironic that the video was posted by arch-Europhile Galsworthy when the EU seems to be further along this path than Britain.

... something I've also noted from the news tonight, yeah.

 

Also agree that it represents a huge challenge for developing countries and the way things are playing out, and everyone else too - but it's one that has to be met, or the consequences really don't bear thinking about.

 

I fear that there may be rather a lot of people who consider those consequences in all their ugliness to be acceptable, though.

[Sampson]

18 minutes ago, bovril said:

British remainers are like the last Japanese guy fighting WW2 when it comes to immigration. 

Weird analogy. Leaving the eu meant much more beuocracy amongst people coming into the uk for the home office, which is what anti-immigrant parties want. Immigration had to actually rise since Brexit to fill in the gaps and now it has to go through the home office instead so just builds up much bigger queues. The freedom of movement in the eu meant people could move much more easily across a much bigger landmass to where jobs and housing are. 

 

Norway and Switzerland both voted to stay out of the eu but still drifted back towards it. The EU is the biggest economy in the world and had a soft geopolitical power only matched by the US and China and it’s right on our doorstep. While the eu exists it’s they’re it’s very difficult to see us genuinely not drifting back towards it. Brexit was always a fantasy because it supposed that the UK had both the soft and economic power to beat out the EU when it comes to trade deals and geopolitical power which is just never going to happen just by the sheer size of the population and markets, other countries will always favour the EU over the UK and so it’s an economic vacuum that’s always going to see us lose out while we’re there, staying out of rather than being in it and trying to influence it it was always going to be cutting our nose off to spite our face.

 

I’d be very surprised if the uk doesn’t drift back towards the eu over the next 5-15 years. in some shape or other freedom of movement will likely come back. This hard Brexit has very little support in virtually all polls. 

Edited 9 June by Sampson

[westernpark]

30 minutes ago, Stadt said:

It’s impossible to build in line with the level of immigration we’ve witnessed after Covid. Even if planning laws were repealed.

Every year they are trying to ‘speed up’ the process. Brownfield presumption idea this year completely undermines the challenges of building on many brownfield sites where there isn’t the infrastructure to support housing(it should always be done as part of a regeneration project). We are seeing more change of use applications, you only have to look at the Leicester mercury and there have been two poorly thought out applications rejected within the last two/three weeks. The problem with speeding up any process is you’re going to get chancers and some of these will get through. 

[Daggers]

46 minutes ago, bovril said:

British remainers are like the last Japanese guy fighting WW2 when it comes to immigration. 

You may wish to revisit that analogy and tweak it somewhat; it makes as much sense as Brexit.

[bovril]

10 minutes ago, Daggers said:

You may wish to revisit that analogy and tweak it somewhat; it makes as much sense as Brexit.

Remainers are, I think, overwhelmingly pro-immigration as the EU becomes increasingly anti. That is of course a big generalisation though.

[Daggers]

5 minutes ago, bovril said:

Remainers are, I think, overwhelmingly pro-immigration as the EU becomes increasingly anti. That is of course a big generalisation though.

It is, it’s a wild generalisation that completely misses out all of the nuances. 

[Daggers]

Bless her. 
 

 

[urban.spaceman]

Macron has called an snap election for June 30th/July 7th.

[bovril]

10 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Macron has called an snap election for June 30th/July 7th.

British and French elections potentially either side of an England vs France knockout game. Fun times ahead. 

[Vacamion]

 

Just watched Macron's address to France.

 

Ballsy, but I fear he's going to take an almighty kicking.

[leicsmac]

Could well be yet another "Votez pour l'escroc, pas pour le facho" situation.

[StanSP]

 

 

[Daggers]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

 

 

 

Saturday Kitchen looks a bit shit these days.

 

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, Daggers said:

 

Saturday Kitchen looks a bit shit these days.

 

Tory cuts

[Jon the Hat]

3 hours ago, StanSP said:

 

 

In this market he would be doing well to find and move into a permanent rental or potentially sell his house and buy in the couple of weeks since he was selected.  Fair play to him.  Also, fair chance he is not in fact the MP for Surrey Heath in 4 weeks time. Would you sign a 12 month lease?

[HighPeakFox]

58 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

In this market he would be doing well to find and move into a permanent rental or potentially sell his house and buy in the couple of weeks since he was selected.  Fair play to him.  Also, fair chance he is not in fact the MP for Surrey Heath in 4 weeks time. Would you sign a 12 month lease?

I think you MIGHT be missing the point here 

[Jon the Hat]

39 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I think you MIGHT be missing the point here 

All I'm saying is people don't always have poor intentions.  Do you really think he is going to move out of the area against if he gets elected?  Honestly we pick apart everyone all the time then wonder why we have awful politicians.  The same re Angela Rayner and this which house did she stay in the most nights crap.

[HighPeakFox]

4 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

All I'm saying is people don't always have poor intentions.  Do you really think he is going to move out of the area against if he gets elected?  Honestly we pick apart everyone all the time then wonder why we have awful politicians.  The same re Angela Rayner and this which house did she stay in the most nights crap.

That, sir, is false equivalence.

[Jon the Hat]

4 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

That, sir, is false equivalence.

Is it?  Neither have any reflection on their commitment or ability or fitness to do the job.

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

Is it?  Neither have any reflection on their commitment or ability or fitness to do the job.

One was found entirely not guilty by the police and the HMRC, one is passing off his 'new home' as though permanent in order to justify his selection in a constituency he has no association with whatsoever.

[Daggers]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

All I'm saying is people don't always have poor intentions.  Do you really think he is going to move out of the area against if he gets elected?  Honestly we pick apart everyone all the time then wonder why we have awful politicians.  The same re Angela Rayner and this which house did she stay in the most nights crap.

Tories do. 
 

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

Is it?  Neither have any reflection on their commitment or ability or fitness to do the job.

 

Yes. 

[Jon the Hat]

14 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Tories do. 
 

 

Yes. 

Nonsense.

 

Ok.

[Jon the Hat]

32 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

One was found entirely not guilty by the police and the HMRC, one is passing off his 'new home' as though permanent in order to justify his selection in a constituency he has no association with whatsoever.

Lots of MPs move into a constituency after they are selected - this guy has done it almost immediately.  Just because the house was previously an Airbnb doesn't mean he cannot lease it for 12 months.  I did exactly that when I moved to Australia for a start.

 

No issue with local candidates for other parties pointing out he is from Putney, that is normal campaigning.  Making out his moving into the area is some kind of scam is clearly nonsense.

[Daggers]

3 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Nonsense.

 

Ok.

😂

 

It’s like we’ve all known you’re gay since forever and now you’re in your 50s and still railing against Pride marches. Come out, Jon. Come join us on the morally superior side of the fence.
 

You know Toryness has brought nothing but sadness, misery and corruption - and yet still you leap in to defend them more often than Babs defends Rudkin. 
 

Come be a socialist. Be an agent of change instead of a defender of failure. 🤔

[Jon the Hat]

7 minutes ago, Daggers said:

😂

 

It’s like we’ve all known you’re gay since forever and now you’re in your 50s and still railing against Pride marches. Come out, Jon. Come join us on the morally superior side of the fence.
 

You know Toryness has brought nothing but sadness, misery and corruption - and yet still you leap in to defend them more often than Babs defends Rudkin. 
 

Come be a socialist. Be an agent of change instead of a defender of failure. 🤔

I can confirm I will not be voting for the Conservatives at this election.   My postal vote is coming to Australia in the next week or so apparently.  GO Lib Dems.