Positives on the impending Cooper appointment

[Tommy G]

44 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

For me it wasn’t about getting someone playing the exact same style of Maresca but at the same time it was more about sticking to an attack minded possession based philosophy, who accommodates the playing squad we already have. That’s why I wanted Corberan badly, as I truly believed he ticked all the boxes.

 

Don’t get me wrong, there’s an article stating Cooper has hired someone to analyse his own management, we may very well see a completely different style of play now he’s had some time out of the game to reflect. But based off current evidence I don’t think Cooper’s style or formation suits our current playing squad.
 

But I would state, it’s nothing personal to Cooper as a manager or his ability as a manager. I love the fact he approached us regarding the job and showed he wanted to be here and I hope to be proven wrong, and will be the first to admit I was wrong and that I didn’t think it would suit the current squad.

Corberan failed at what Cooper succeeded doing? And took Forest from the bottom up to the Premier League. He failed at both Huddersfield and WBA.

 

Did you see WBA in the play offs. Stinking. I'm not sure what he's achieved over Cooper if you are comparing the two

[Bezzanator89]

We won't have ti wait until March or April to be relegated, probably more like January.

[Number 6]

Foxestalk has an immaculate record of being disappointed by players/managers who turn out to be great, and excited by players/managers who turn out to be shit.

[the draper]

It's all good 

[Bluearmyfox28]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

Corberan failed at what Cooper succeeded doing? And took Forest from the bottom up to the Premier League. He failed at both Huddersfield and WBA.

 

Did you see WBA in the play offs. Stinking. I'm not sure what he's achieved over Cooper if you are comparing the two

First of all I wouldn’t say Corberan failed, this year the championship was one of the hardest it’s been in a long time and he got WBA into the play offs with literally no money to spend. 
 

but I was comparing the two from a tactical set up perspective.

[Tommy G]

Just now, Bluearmyfox28 said:

First of all I wouldn’t say Corberan failed, this year the championship was one of the hardest it’s been in a long time and he got WBA into the play offs with literally no money to spend. 
 

but I was comparing the two from a tactical set up perspective.

How much did Cooper spend getting Forest from bottom to promotion? It's hard to be selective when comparing, WBA have also had parachute payments and Forest had been rotting in the Championship and even Lg 1 for 20 odd years. Cooper has a better win % too btw. 

 

What do you prefer from a tactical set up perspective that gives us an edge in the premier league, with a manager who has never managed there? 

[Izzy]

His open letter to the fans was decent 

[Lambert09]

2 hours ago, Tommy G said:

Corberan failed at what Cooper succeeded doing? And took Forest from the bottom up to the Premier League. He failed at both Huddersfield and WBA.

 

Did you see WBA in the play offs. Stinking. I'm not sure what he's achieved over Cooper if you are comparing the two

i don’t think it’s even a debate that corberans huddersfield were stronger than forest in the final. Some incredibly dubious var calls got them over the line.

 

I don’t think they ever had a shot this year. The strength of the relegated 3 was really not a fair thing to assess him against 

Edited 20 June by Lambert09

[Bluearmyfox28]

6 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

How much did Cooper spend getting Forest from bottom to promotion? It's hard to be selective when comparing, WBA have also had parachute payments and Forest had been rotting in the Championship and even Lg 1 for 20 odd years. Cooper has a better win % too btw. 

 

What do you prefer from a tactical set up perspective that gives us an edge in the premier league, with a manager who has never managed there? 

The fact that one uses wingers and the other didn’t? 

[Leicesterpool]

He will be extra keen to finish higher than Forest.

[MattFox]

Meltdown on LTTF is pretty funny 

[BluethroughtheMiddle]

I think a lot of people will be eating their words and looking a bit silly later this season. If he keeps us up he will have done his job. If he helps us be stable in the premiership with a mid table finish he will have excelled.

 

Personally I think its the best appointment we could have made given the situation we are in.

 

Lets see.

[sishades]

Chelsea to offer 10 mill for cooper in december

[CrazyKopCorner]

1 hour ago, Izzy said:

His open letter to the fans was decent 

Yes, He's likable unlike TCR 

[Molson Canadian]

Thank you so very much for your opinion Premier League!!! (Mostly sarcasm in this statement, however some good analysis and stats in the article lol)

 

https://www.premierleague.com/news/4041925

 

How about you sort out this nonsense mess about FFP and points deductions, first.  Outrageous. 

[funkyrobot]

Could be worse, we could’ve waited a week and recruited the soon to be out of work Gareth Southgate.

[JonesLCFC]

I'm a big fan, to be honest. I really can't understand the hate he's getting. I thought Forest were certain to go down in the season they went up after signing 2,959 players, and in the end, it was us!
 

He did a great job that season. I don't care what anyone says about his win record in the Premier League. He was managing Forest ffs, give him a break! It says a lot that their fans still love him. I hope he does a Wes Morgan and becomes our club legend!

[splinterdream]

He's hungry, he knows he's up against it but took it anyway. 

[splinterdream]

10 minutes ago, JonesLCFC said:

I'm a big fan, to be honest. I really can't understand the hate he's getting. I thought Forest were certain to go down in the season they went up after signing 2,959 players, and in the end, it was us!
 

He did a great job that season. I don't care what anyone says about his win record in the Premier League. He was managing Forest ffs, give him a break! It says a lot that their fans still love him. I hope he does a Wes Morgan and becomes our club legend!

Those final games in the 22/23 season he had those players well up for it, before that I thought forest were either excellent or awful. I think the owner was difficult to deal with, we"re expecting the worse anyway so I'm getting behind him

[gurru991]

6 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

He's hungry, he knows he's up against it but took it anyway. 

You have to respect him for that. I can't wait for the haters to be proven wrong.

[Ric Flair]

Plenty has been said about the confusion over how his style fits in with the obsession our owners have of playing the sort of football Enzo deployed.

 

Cooper can say all he likes about wanting to play possession football but as has been pointed out he played counter attacking football at both Swansea and Forest where for parts of his tenure they'd have been expected to dominate. So I'm not sure if he's kidding himself as much as the public. You can probably find quotes from Mark Hughes and Steve Bruce saying something similar over the years too.

 

I understand in his 1st season in the PL that rhe squad was chaos and he adapted to get the job done but last season if you look at some of the stats it's grim reading. That's with better equipped players on the ball such as Sangare, Reyna, Mangala, Dominguez, Danilo to compliment the likes of Gibbs-White.

 

I think he'll not hesitate to deploy a low block and surrender possession with us. That may well be required for us to be competitive, but it's going to be a huge shift from what we would have seen under Maresca and it's very confusing we've opted for this appointment. 

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't want us to stay up just for the sake of it playing attritional football and scrabbling about for players. I want to see something I can identify with, I want to see us rebuilt on sensible wages, with young talented players who play an exciting style of football that's flexible and dynamic. 

 

If Steve Cooper is part of that vision then good luck to him. I like his credentials from his time at Liverpool and England and he really impressed me at Swansea with the players he improved there. I hope his priority is being brave enough to bring Alves, Braybrooke, Nelson and others in to the 1st team next season. I want to see that belief and he'll get my support if he does.

 

Stranger things have happened, this might be a modicum of success either short term or longer term but right now it does seem odd.

 

 

[gurru991]

42 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

 

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't want us to stay up just for the sake of it playing attritional football and scrabbling about for players. I want to see something I can identify with, I want to see us rebuilt on sensible wages, with young talented players who play an exciting style of football that's flexible and dynamic. 

 

 

 

To be honest I will accept any kind football Cooper wants to play if it will keep us up. Success for me is a 17th place finish with no more FFP issues.  We are in a hell of a mess & desperately need a reset. If Cooper can utilize our academy & keep us up I will be a happy man.

[Ric Flair]

18 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

To be honest I will accept any kind football Cooper wants to play if it will keep us up. Success for me is a 17th place finish with no more FFP issues.  We are in a hell of a mess & desperately need a reset. If Cooper can utilize our academy & keep us up I will be a happy man.

That's only pertinent if the club ha e a strategy to ease the financial burden and it not be a noose around our necks year on year as we try and scrabble for survival in the Prem.

 

As I've said, give me a lean mean fighting machine that might only be an ambitious Championship club with a highly regarded academy and other qualities than a punch drunk washed up PL team ala Everton. 

 

 

[Royston.]

He's on £250 a week and will guarantee championship surival next season.

 

 

[Strokes]

Every day he is here is a day closer to his exit.