Steve Cooper - New Manager

[kingfox]

Really lost interest in all things Leicester City at this moment in time, really couldn’t be arsed to care yesterday. 
 

I can’t even be bothered to rant about Cooper’s negative decision making. 
 

I think we’re already starting to see signs why his away record with Forest in the Premier League was so crap. 
 

Of course it’s still early days, but if we fail to beat Everton, then I expect numerous boos at the KP along with Foxestalk being filled with anger. 

[bovril]

4 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

It didn’t quite work for Rodgers or Puel or Maresca who conceded goals in the final minutes, it was labelled as a weak mindset and mentality, it happens under Cooper and all of a sudden people want to give him a free pass and it’s all the players fault,  utterly baffling. 

Puel and Maresca are foreign and a bit aloof, which imo was one (I stress one) of the reasons many Leicestershire folk didn't like them. Rodgers was from the UK which perhaps stopped those same folk criticising him too much, although he was still a bit flashy and cringey which was always held against him. Cooper has the shield of being British and very ordinary (that's as kind as I can be without getting quoted to oblivion by people telling me I'm a **** and also, ironically, that I need to be nice on the internet). 

[Ric Flair]

4 hours ago, South Notts NFFC said:

Is it anything to do with being Forest manager? I don't recall Martin O'Neill getting similarly bad treatment for Forest connections.

Absolutely nothing to do with that, although I question the boards decision to make his job harder if he got off to a poor start (which we have)

 

He's just an appalling manager at this level. We make it one win in the last 17 PL games for Cooper, absolutely wild. Did he used to field 7 defense minded players at you lot and then bring another 1-2 on? He gobbed off all summer about not having any creative midfielders and then he's got 3 of them and has shown he only wants them to come on in games when we're losing.

 

He played 3 defensive midfielders at home to a League Two team in the cup 😂😂😂😂 the bloke makes Roy Cropper seems like an adrenaline junkie. 

 

Also, where's this myth he's an advocate of youth come from an'all? Complete disregard for our academy and seems irked he's not had more unnecessary PL experienced players brought in for him.

 

Cannot believe he kept you up, just shows how abysmal we were that year to be fair.

 

Some of his stats to go along with that 1/17 make for grim reading too. 9 games out of 59 in the PL, his teams have conceded in the last 10 mins to throw points away, 6 of which his team were leading but lost to goals in the last 10. 4 times from 2+ goals to the good his teams have thrown points away in the dying moments. I'm sure you remember the Luton, Bournemouth, Burnley, Brentford etc games. 

 

Tactical terrorism.

[Foxmeister]

1 hour ago, South Notts NFFC said:

Is it anything to do with being Forest manager? I don't recall Martin O'Neill getting similarly bad treatment for Forest connections.

Hang around here for a while and it's not just Cooper. We won the Prem and expectations went through the roof, most fans hate everything and everyone connected to the club apart from Vardy, Fatawu and Hermansen. 

[LCFCJohn]

3 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

Hang around here for a while and it's not just Cooper. We won the Prem and expectations went through the roof, most fans hate everything and everything connected to the club apart from Vardy, Fatawu and Hermansen. 

Harsh, Mavididi and Ricardo too . Maybe Winks as well…

[MattFox]

People have low standards here 

 

Blokes a busted flush and he doesn’t have the potential points deduction to hide behind anymore

 

Easily our worst manager since the 2014 promotion (Including Dean Smith)

 

Awful tactics, in game management, general  body language 

[TheStig]

3 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

True but you only need 27 points to stay up last season I think 33 would be enough, lets see how we get in the next 6.

 

I'm not expecting much but will give us a better idea, no way they will sack him before that anyway

Yes 27 points last season - but that was an extremely low level to survive in the PL. We could also be facing points deductions still so in my humble opinion we should get rid now - we simply do not have the time for experimenting further with Coopers "management" style.

 

[Fear Of The Fox]

1 hour ago, South Notts NFFC said:

Is it anything to do with being Forest manager? I don't recall Martin O'Neill getting similarly bad treatment for Forest connections.

I've posted here before the appointment that personally I didn't want a manager who worked very recently at Forest of Marinakis. I'm not just saying Forest, it's Forest and Marinakis. His record/stats were awful, this appointment doesn't make any sense for so many reasons. The quicker he gets the sack the better. 

[5waller5]

6 minutes ago, Matt said:

It worked against Tottenham, but it seems that has to caveated by "They had numerous chances and could have beat us 3, 4 or 5".

 

Nope.

 

The didn't.

 

Can't have it both ways.

It also rather depends on your definition of “worked”.

 

If “worked” means: Surrender any hope of scoring or winning the game, abandon all threat of success and gift the opposition the impetus hoping to defend constantly and weather the self-imposed storm for long enough to draw….

 

Then yes it’s down to fine margins if it works or not.

 

It’s a crazy way to play a game though!! 

[Claudio Fannieri]

Currently 9-1 to get the old tin tack according to oddschecker. 5th favourite behind Dyche, Ten Hag, Brussel and Enzo. Next Saturday could see a seismic shift if we don’t get a decent result. 

[Dahnsouff]

33 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

It didn’t quite work for Rodgers or Puel or Maresca who conceded goals in the final minutes, it was labelled as a weak mindset and mentality, it happens under Cooper and all of a sudden people want to give him a free pass and it’s all the players fault,  utterly baffling. 

Are you suggesting it was not Coadys fault?

[Corky]

I don't think his previous club is a particular issue on this occasion. To be fair, he was appointed a day or so after it seemed Graham Potter was seemingly virtually in the building (and I'm not hugely sold on him but many were) so we were setting up for one manager only for another to be given the job. As I said at the time, I like his attitude, he is usually honest with the press and he'd give his all.

 

But his record at this level is not great. Two away wins in 29 (hasn't Nuno won 5 already?) and bis last few weeks in Nottingham were mostly defeats. Already this season selection has been odd- the preference of so-called experience (Reid and Ayew, even Ndidi further forward although he's done alright) over the younger, more unpredictable but exciting Mavididi, Fatawu and Buonanotte. Not involving Ricardo. Choudhury still getting in. I think if he went with the more exciting team and came up short then fans would give more slack.

 

He badly needs a win next week.

[Dahnsouff]

42 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

“It nearly worked”

 

Nope.

 

It didn’t work.
 

There are no nearly points awarded. It didn’t work, and for most people watching it was never going to work. The inevitable happened. 

Ok. 

[Matt]

17 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

It also rather depends on your definition of “worked”.

 

If “worked” means: Surrender any hope of scoring or winning the game, abandon all threat of success and gift the opposition the impetus hoping to defend constantly and weather the self-imposed storm for long enough to draw….

 

Then yes it’s down to fine margins if it works or not.

 

It’s a crazy way to play a game though!! 

I mean considering we (me included) went into the game against Spurs in pretty much universal agreement expecting a hammering, I think the result of a draw can be considered positive and that it worked.

 

Yesterday, we'd (I, certainly) would have took a draw before the game (Many were, again, expecting a hammering but that just seems a lazy, perma-prediction and hope in order to chuck shit on here atm), given the circumstances of how it panned out I admit is disappointing, however as discussed in the Palace thread, 3 times in our last 7 games there we've surrendered a 2-0 lead, that doesn't justify what happened yesterday or even justify Coopers decisions, but its something that has happened before even playing differently and a way people lauded - which was imo an equally crazy way to play a game.

 

Edited Sunday at 18:46 by Matt

[Claudio Fannieri]

10 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Are you suggesting it was not Coadys fault?

Of course Coady has to take a proportion of the blame, but in the same way Cooper made a number of defensive substitutions that handed the initiative to the opposition, is that also true? 

[Parafox]

Frustratingly similar to Rodgers in that he keeps our most creative, ambitious players on the bench almost as if he's scared to go for a win from the first minute in case we lose in the last, if that makes sense.

 

I, among many, didn't want him here but I was prepared to give it a go. My feeling now is, it was a big mistake and he must've been an "Aldi middle aisle bargain" appointment. Looks reasonable on the shelf but is actually a bit crap when you get it home.

Edited Sunday at 18:53 by Parafox

[Wymsey]

Personally think he'll stay for a while.

 

 

[Sly]

If Chelsea sacked Maresca, then we sack Cooper.

 

Would you welcome Maresca back? 

[Parafox]

2 minutes ago, Sly said:

If Chelsea sacked Maresca, then we sack Cooper.

 

Would you welcome Maresca back? 

 

If it was a straight swap, I'd like it more. 

Edited Sunday at 19:05 by Parafox

[Nalis]

3 minutes ago, Sly said:

If Chelsea sacked Maresca, then we sack Cooper.

 

Would you welcome Maresca back? 

Doubt we'd have any better realistic options so why not

Edited Sunday at 19:06 by Nalis

[DezFox]

42 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Harsh, Mavididi and Ricardo too . Maybe Winks as well…

Skipp and okoli aswell. In fact loads I like about this club. Cooper just ain’t one of them. 

[DezFox]

2 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Doubt we'd have any better realistic options so why not

Since having no reduction we would have loads of options. It’s pretty clear we have a squad that is quite capable of staying up. Literally loads of managers would go for it now. 

[Seventyseven]

44 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

where's this myth he's an advocate of youth come from an'all? Complete disregard for our academy and seems irked he's not had more unnecessary PL experienced players brought in for him.

It’s a myth as he used to manage an England youth set up (where he had to play youth!).

 

He didn’t play the younger ones at forest much at all,  Hudson-Odei has only got a run under Nuno, he didn’t play Neco Williams either instead preferring older immobile defenders.

 

I think our current academy talent is better than what they had but not much chance under him. 

 

 

[DezFox]

13 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Personally think he'll stay for a while.

 

 

I’m calling it now. Even if we are winless after 8 games, he is still definitely here. We will just go through the motions to not cause a stir. I think he will be in a position that we are all too familiar with. One win buys him another 5 games regardless of the results of those. Out of curiosity, does anyone know what a potential sacking would cost? Surely given our situation with points deduction we will have given it him in caveat that the pay out isn’t huge? Obviously I know this is us so extremely doubtful. 

[FoxinNotts]

18 minutes ago, Sly said:

If Chelsea sacked Maresca, then we sack Cooper.

 

Would you welcome Maresca back? 

No. But if Everton sack Dyche, would you sack Coops straight away to bring old gravel voice in?