Steve Cooper - New Manager

[Guest]

Just now, coolhandfox said:

Answer the question? 

 

Is every mistake a player makes the manager fault?

 

Yes or no?

 

Its not hard....

If the player in question has no business being on the pitch then yeah probably. Coady is both lacking in match fitness and crap so it's not an enormous surprise that if you throw him into that situation it doesn't pay off. The mistake is his fault but it is Cooper's fault he had the opportunity to make it - that's not hard to understand either is it?

[Jjridgewell]

7 minutes ago, Jakemoore said:

No real blame attached to Cooper from me. Some of you lot just can’t get over his forest connections and you’re blinded by it. He could win us the league and you still wouldn’t be convinced. 
 

I didn’t like his choice of 11 again today but at 2-0 up he had got it right. We pressed them well and created the 3 best chances of that game at that point. Conceding straight after going 2 up isn’t coopers fault. Sending an extremely experienced CB on who got bullied by a kid half his size and then made a crap challenge in the box also isn’t his fault.
 

Could we have gone at them a bit more and tried to make it 1-3? Yes maybe. But that aside I’m not blaming cooper. There’s a culture of blaming the manager in football. Sometimes the players just need to make better decisions. 

we ended the game with our only attackers being vardy and fatawu, we had not threat to them and that's why they camped in our half and we threw it away. that is coopers fault simple as

[Jakemoore]

Just now, Jjridgewell said:

we ended the game with our only attackers being vardy and fatawu, we had not threat to them and that's why they camped in our half and we threw it away. that is coopers fault simple as

And had coady not given the penalty away you wouldn’t have said anything about it.

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Answer the question? 

 

Is every mistake a player makes the manager fault?

 

Yes or no?

 

Its not hard....

Want me to start a poll to get to the bottom of this?  

[Brizzle Fox]

9 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Answer the question? 

 

Is every mistake a player makes the manager fault?

 

Yes or no?

 

It's not that hard...

Whose fault it is Steve is a moot point. Ultimately it's the manager who takes the responsibility for the errors that the personnel he picks make.

 

That's kinda how football and most businesses work. 

 

That hard to understand?

 

 

Edited Saturday at 16:41 by Brizzle Fox

[wardyfox86]

3 minutes ago, Jakemoore said:

And committing men forward could have led to us losing the game. We’ll never know.

There's plenty of room between "committing men forward" and what we saw for 20 minutes today.

 

Park the bus like that and fail to see it out, you'll rightfully come in for criticism. 

[Jjridgewell]

1 minute ago, Jakemoore said:

And had coady not given the penalty away you wouldn’t have said anything about it.

I would have because even though it worked today i still think he's too coward with the starting lineup sooooo 

[v6rat]

4 minutes ago, Jakemoore said:

Absolute bollox. Clueless analysis. 
 

Oh wait no….Cooper gave a penalty away not Coady. I forgot.

Looks like you forgot,

 

Cooper coaches / managers the team, picks the match day side, decides on the tactics, makes the in games changes, decides on the substitutes and therefore is responsible for the result.

[Jakemoore]

1 minute ago, Jjridgewell said:

I would have because even though it worked today i still think he's too coward with the starting lineup sooooo 

As I’ve said above, I didn’t like the 11. He probably felt he couldn’t play Bilal as he’s trained with us twice since signing. Not sure why Facundo didn’t start. 

[Kasey Keller]

Get this dopey tw@t gone

[Jakemoore]

Just now, v6rat said:

Looks like you forgot,

 

Cooper coaches / managers the team, picks the match day side, decides on the tactics, makes the in games changes, decides on the substitutes and therefore is responsible for the result.

That’s such a naive and tunnel visioned way of reviewing any game of football. It’s a TEAM game but perhaps you forgot that.

[nettle]

Do people genuinely believe Cooper is a premier league level manager? Because his record suggests otherwise 

[stevebfox]

19 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Coadys fault today. If he doesn’t boot their lad in our area we win and are all saying how well Cooper has done.

 

shocking from a senior pro.

Well done? Not a chance. Trying to defend for any length of time never ends well. Palace were always going to get the equaliser, Cooper's subs and tactics made that inevitable. He's woeful.

[pazzerfox]

We'll be more attacking at home.  You've got to stay in games in this division.. if you go too gung ho you can find yourself 2 or 3 down in a blink of an eye and the game is done.  I'm happy that we have been competitive in every game so far. 

[Claridge]

7 minutes ago, Jjridgewell said:

we ended the game with our only attackers being vardy and fatawu, we had not threat to them and that's why they camped in our half and we threw it away. that is coopers fault simple as

Coopers fault we were 0-2 up as well?

It’s a proper downer but that’s football, happens in thousands of games . 

[LcFc_Smiv]

1 minute ago, pazzerfox said:

We'll be more attacking at home.  You've got to stay in games in this division.. if you go too gung ho you can find yourself 2 or 3 down in a blink of an eye and the game is done.  I'm happy that we have been competitive in every game so far. 

You'll be accused of lacking ambition if you carry on posting like this, there's a certain clique on here who don't like a well thought out opinion.

[sm1]

We're under the pump, but defending resolutely. Up step genius Cooper, who decides to change our shape and sub a CB for a RW. To make matters worse he decides to put on a CB who hasn't played all season into that environment. Ayew was flagging, changing him for Kasey and leaving everything as is ,was understandable. Even if Coady hadn't made that mistake and we had won, it still would've been the wrong decision. 

[coolhandfox]

3 minutes ago, Brizzle Fox said:

Whether it's the manager's fault Steve is a moot point. Ultimately it's the manager who takes the responsibility for the errors that the personnel he picks make.

 

That's kinda how football and most businesses work. 

 

That hard to understand?

 

 

Fault and responsibility aren't the same thing.

 

[phoneticerror]

10 minutes ago, Jakemoore said:

And had coady not given the penalty away you wouldn’t have said anything about it.

Not true. We did what Brendan did and focused on defending for the final 10. It rarely worked with him, and it will rarely work now. We needed an extra goal, not clinging on to a 1 goal lead by putting all our focus at the back. I was concerned as soon as he came on.

Edited Saturday at 16:46 by phoneticerror

[Pliskin]

30 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

So Coady doesn't have a brain fart we win.

 

We also gave the ball away in our own third for the first a minute after we scored.

 

Doesn't matter what tactics you play if players make massive errors.

 

Knee jerk reactions on here as always.

 

If he'd have brought on attacking players and we conceded people would be blame him for not shutting up shop.

 

 

I agree, it was completely brain dead from Coady, however when you look at the bigger picture regardless of how it came, the second goal was coming. 
 

Cooper’s not to blame for Coady’s mistake, but he’s to blame for him even being on the pitch. Cooper so far has lived up to the one criticism Forest fans had of him, which was he struggled to strike a balance between attack and defence. We were excellent for the majority of the game, and in my opinion deserved to win. But, just as Palace show a bit of urgency, Cooper goes full on defensive mode but really badly. Hamza shouldn’t be anywhere near that squad, let alone getting on the pitch…. If you want to do that, surely you bring BDR on? He’s experienced and disciplined enough to play the role N’didi was playing. Coady? He’s barely played, hindsight is great I agree, but was bringing him on really wise? 
 

I just feel Cooper makes poor defensive decisions, he pretty much decided the last 15 minutes were to be dictated by Palace. We had no outlet, and were happy to just gift them chance after chance, in hope we could hold out. 
 

The problem is, I thought Palace were pretty average today, but we generated their momentum and Pressure for them and so far we’ve shows that we can’t defend like that and have always conceded. 
 

Tactically, Cooper is majorly floored, and he will continue to cost us points if he carries on trying to defend like he did. If you’re going to set up like that it needs to be meaningful and aggressive, we were passive and hopeful….. 

[v6rat]

1 minute ago, Jakemoore said:

That’s such a naive and tunnel visioned way of reviewing any game of football. It’s a TEAM game but perhaps you forgot that.

Your right for maybe the first time, it is a team game, the team is told what to do by the appointed manager. It doesn't matter whether it is football or any other workplace environment, the buck stops with the manager.

 

I'll say it again, Cooper has not won a Premier League match in this last 19 attempts, if you believe that statistic is not down to him then it is you that is naive and tunnel visioned.   

[Sol thewall Bamba]

3 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Coward

It's ok though as it's still early in the season! (it isn't).

[coolhandfox]

11 minutes ago, Guest said:

If the player in question has no business being on the pitch then yeah probably. Coady is both lacking in match fitness and crap so it's not an enormous surprise that if you throw him into that situation it doesn't pay off. The mistake is his fault but it is Cooper's fault he had the opportunity to make it - that's not hard to understand either is it?

People where sating the same about Ndidi being in instead of a 10, he bags two assists.

 

People have already made their mind up about Cooper, he's wouldn't be my choice, but he's deserves a fair shot at it.

[Brizzle Fox]

7 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Fault and responsibility aren't the same thing.

 

You get that line out of a fortune cookie. It's a cracker.

 

Anyway in all seriousness I'd be happy to be proved wrong about Cooper,  however I see nothing in his Prem League management career to indicate that I will be.

 

19 games and counting since his last Prem win is a chastening stat for even his biggest fan.

Edited Saturday at 16:56 by Brizzle Fox

[Vazman]

Whether it was an individual error that led to the draw, or not, we needed a win for many reasons, Palace were there for the taking, however a draw is not the end of the world.

 

I really dont think Coopers methods will survive the season, before everyone including Top etc, get frustrated, I just cant see us kicking on with him in charge, he is a nice bloke etc, and I would love him to kick on, we need something better to compete better, the team is not playing to it's full potential, we have the team to stay up.