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Development/Youth Squads 2024/2025 Thread - U18/U21

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Ric Flair

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13 minutes ago, lcfc sheff said:

I wonder if this new training ground is starting to pay off 

The hard work of the last decade or more. I don't care whether we are a successful Premier League team as much as I care about us being one of the best at player development through our academy.

 

We stand a better chance of doing the latter by being the former but it's not always how it plays out. It needs to always be one of our primary objectives.

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8 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

The hard work of the last decade or more. I don't care whether we are a successful Premier League team as much as I care about us being one of the best at player development through our academy.

 

We stand a better chance of doing the latter by being the former but it's not always how it plays out. It needs to always be one of our primary objectives.

I think they good hand in hand.

 

I'm pretty sure being a successful club help us attract a better caliber of player.

 

But I agree player development has at the core of our strategy.

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3 hours ago, lcfc sheff said:

I wonder if this new training ground is starting to pay off 

Absolutely nothing to do with the new training ground as vast majority of players were there from u9's so started out at Belvoir Drive

Not saying it is a bad thing in any way just that the coaching or ethos around the Academy has not really changed since Rudkin took over. That won't suit everyones agenda but it is a fact

 

 

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46 minutes ago, ramadaone said:

Absolutely nothing to do with the new training ground as vast majority of players were there from u9's so started out at Belvoir Drive

Not saying it is a bad thing in any way just that the coaching or ethos around the Academy has not really changed since Rudkin took over. That won't suit everyones agenda but it is a fact

 

 

Yes but the facilities are a world away from Belvoir Drive, I remember seeing Yakabu when we signed him on loan stretching in what looked like a PE hall you’d get in a secondary school. Now they’ve got over 9 pitches with indoor facilities that are immense. 
 

you may think the coaching is bad but we’ve produced a decent amount of footballers for the size of the club and area, things can always be better.

 

so what is it? Bad coaching or bad facilities? Or both? Or neither now?

 

This just takes us to a whole new level. 

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3 hours ago, lcfc sheff said:

Yes but the facilities are a world away from Belvoir Drive, I remember seeing Yakabu when we signed him on loan stretching in what looked like a PE hall you’d get in a secondary school. Now they’ve got over 9 pitches with indoor facilities that are immense. 
 

you may think the coaching is bad but we’ve produced a decent amount of footballers for the size of the club and area, things can always be better.

 

so what is it? Bad coaching or bad facilities? Or both? Or neither now?

 

This just takes us to a whole new level. 

Where did I say the coaching was bad ???
 

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On 08/09/2024 at 13:56, lcfc sheff said:

Yes but the facilities are a world away from Belvoir Drive, I remember seeing Yakabu when we signed him on loan stretching in what looked like a PE hall you’d get in a secondary school. Now they’ve got over 9 pitches with indoor facilities that are immense. 
 

you may think the coaching is bad but we’ve produced a decent amount of footballers for the size of the club and area, things can always be better.

 

so what is it? Bad coaching or bad facilities? Or both? Or neither now?

 

This just takes us to a whole new level. 

How? 

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8 hours ago, lcfc sheff said:

Did you ever actually see it? It was okay. Not state of the art like we have now

Yes, very often. 

And the new gaff. 

 

If you remove the superficial. It's was almost the same. 

 

The best thing about the new gaff, is how it appears. 

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4 hours ago, Kilworthfox said:

Yes, very often. 

And the new gaff. 

 

If you remove the superficial. It's was almost the same. 

 

The best thing about the new gaff, is how it appears. 

Go on then, what’s the worst bit? :ph34r:

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On 08/09/2024 at 13:09, ramadaone said:

Absolutely nothing to do with the new training ground as vast majority of players were there from u9's so started out at Belvoir Drive

Not saying it is a bad thing in any way just that the coaching or ethos around the Academy has not really changed since Rudkin took over. That won't suit everyones agenda but it is a fact

 

 

 

On 08/09/2024 at 13:56, lcfc sheff said:

Yes but the facilities are a world away from Belvoir Drive, I remember seeing Yakabu when we signed him on loan stretching in what looked like a PE hall you’d get in a secondary school. Now they’ve got over 9 pitches with indoor facilities that are immense. 
 

you may think the coaching is bad but we’ve produced a decent amount of footballers for the size of the club and area, things can always be better.

 

so what is it? Bad coaching or bad facilities? Or both? Or neither now?

 

This just takes us to a whole new level. 

 

On 08/09/2024 at 17:06, Holly B said:

Where did I say the coaching was bad ???
 

HANG IT IN THE LOUVRE!!!!

This is foxestalk heritage lol 

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11 minutes ago, ACF said:

Go on then, what’s the worst bit? :ph34r:

Well being in the countryside there are the common animals, such as rats which make an appearance on the pitches at times. Generally it is a nice place to visit. :thumbup:

 

I was rather defending the old Belvoir Drive site's functionality, more than praising or critiquing Seagrave.

 

Seagrave looks very impressive, and is a great venue, the facilities were also there at BD, they just didn't look like a David Lloyd. 

 

All of the players who have come through or are coming through, all started at Belvoir Drive. The facilities do help the developing players yes, but its like going to a branded gym or your local gym, its all down to the person and their commitment the results they achieve.

So I'd suggest the new TG is not the major factor as to why there seems to be a more consistent higher top level talented player appearing now, than there was previously, but rather down the the staff who continue work there.

 

When I see posters writing on here about the next big prospect that they become excited about, this will be a teenager generally around 15/16, as you may be aware, the club is always actively recruiting, coaching and investing, over many years (probably 8 to 12) for every prospect. So naturally you are seeing the tip of the iceberg, prospect & work wise. The success comes from much grinding & unglamorous work.

 

When looking at the academy, you must also look at the financial support the club was able to give the academy historically, and compare the results. The cycle is 8 to 12 years as I wrote above. So in 2002 when the club had less than no money, the academy would have been working at a low level, so in 2010 - 2012 the results the academy could produce were probably (definitely) poor in comparison to now, as when we were just taken over by the current owners in 2010, money has not been such an issue in the following period. 

 

Players who came through here were usually players who had not made it at more prestigious academies (at the time), rather than players local to the area. King, Schulpp, are not local lads, I think Liam Moore is the best local lad over this period, and he has had a decent career, but considering our ambitions for our top end prospects we have now, we are looking higher than producing local players who mainly play in the Championship.

 

Think of the academy as a machine! Quality of work in + financial support = quality of work out. 

 

Then the next variables are (Opportunity) what staff actively support which prospects, to get an opportunity to play meaningful games here or elsewhere...

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7 hours ago, Kilworthfox said:

 

When I see posters writing on here about the next big prospect that they become excited about, this will be a teenager generally around 15/16, as you may be aware, the club is always actively recruiting, coaching and investing, over many years (probably 8 to 12) for every prospect. So naturally you are seeing the tip of the iceberg, prospect & work wise. The success comes from much grinding & unglamorous work.

I suppose it might just be a coincidence, but if we do currently have an excellent crop of youngsters aged around 16ish, and they've been at the club since they were 8, that would mean they must have started around the title winning season. Can't have hurt to have that going on at the time, must have made the club look a hell of a lot more attractive than it had previously to kids around the expanded local area.

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2 hours ago, orangecity23 said:

I suppose it might just be a coincidence, but if we do currently have an excellent crop of youngsters aged around 16ish, and they've been at the club since they were 8, that would mean they must have started around the title winning season. Can't have hurt to have that going on at the time, must have made the club look a hell of a lot more attractive than it had previously to kids around the expanded local area.

 

Time wise you are correct. 

 

The players come from the city and county, but also further afield around our region where we compete with other category 1 & 2 academies. 

 

How we as an academy compete, isn't driven by first team success generally. 

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Given the investment, success and focus we have had on our academy in recent years, regardless of the division we find ourselves in, we should always be targeting the promotion of 2 or 3 academy players each season into the 1st team and to be regularly involved in the matchday squad, there has to be a pathway, if we can develop a production line of homegrown talent and then sell a star player each season, this is a model that can push us on to be competitive whilst also ensuring a long term sustainable future and PSR compliance. 
 

But to get this model up and running we need invest in a manager and coaching team fully committed to the project, give them time and accept for the overall good of the club we may have to take 1 step back to take 2 or 3 big strides forward. The club have to be brave, back their vision and employ people that align with that philosophy. 

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59 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Given the investment, success and focus we have had on our academy in recent years, regardless of the division we find ourselves in, we should always be targeting the promotion of 2 or 3 academy players each season into the 1st team and to be regularly involved in the matchday squad, there has to be a pathway, if we can develop a production line of homegrown talent and then sell a star player each season, this is a model that can push us on to be competitive whilst also ensuring a long term sustainable future and PSR compliance. 
 

But to get this model up and running we need invest in a manager and coaching team fully committed to the project, give them time and accept for the overall good of the club we may have to take 1 step back to take 2 or 3 big strides forward. The club have to be brave, back their vision and employ people that align with that philosophy. 

The funny thing is, although I didn't want Cooper as manager, the one thing I thought he would have as a plus, is that he would give one or two of our talented youngsters some pitch time in the first team, and would have at least one had one on the bench each game, but he seems to have absolutely no interest in our younger players. If someone can tell me how Soumare, who has zero interest in being here, can get on the bench in front of Alves, who will be wanting to play and make his mark, then i would be very interested on the reasoning. Alves is now basically spending his time training, and hoping to get a spot on the bench for a league cup game, when if Cooper had no interest in giving him a chance, he should have been loaned out, and playing league games somewhere.  I would be fuming if I was Alves. What a waste of a talent, at least until January. 

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