Daggers Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 26 minutes ago, ealingfox said: Arise, Sir Beer Korma Very impressive seeing as I've done my best to influence people away from voting for him by being arrogant and patronising. I need to up my offensive game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FoxesDeb Posted 1 July Popular Post Share Posted 1 July 3 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Im not sure what you saying (or asking) tbh? Sorry I thought my question was pretty clear My question was how it can be seen as a negative trait to be 'well-informed, up-to-date, alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice and so on. I'm not convinced that being accused of being 'woke' is quite the insult the people who use it as such seem to think it is, that's all 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CosbehFox Posted 1 July Popular Post Share Posted 1 July 3 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said: Sorry I thought my question was pretty clear My question was how it can be seen as a negative trait to be 'well-informed, up-to-date, alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice and so on. I'm not convinced that being accused of being 'woke' is quite the insult the people who use it as such seem to think it is, that's all I'd rather have a load of friends who are 'woke' than not quite simply 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Col city fan Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 4 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said: Sorry I thought my question was pretty clear My question was how it can be seen as a negative trait to be 'well-informed, up-to-date, alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice and so on. I'm not convinced that being accused of being 'woke' is quite the insult the people who use it as such seem to think it is, that's all Then I’ve answered the question. Being well informed and alert to injustice isn’t negative. But that’s not the only connotation of ‘woke’, as explained above. It took time, but glad we got there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Col city fan Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 2 minutes ago, CosbehFox said: I'd rather have a load of friends who are 'woke' than not quite simply I’d rather have both (and have both). Imo far more interesting and challenging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 15 minutes ago, Col city fan said: I posted the link as one of amongst many many links on the subject. It wasn’t to ‘back-up’ my definition of woke. And if you read up, you’ll see I wrote that’s how I see it (rightly or wrongly). I posted the link because a. You asked the question and b. Sami posted a single definition, pretty much the original, which has moved on. Like most things, woke is good and bad. Awareness is good. Taking it too far to indoctrinate is bad. I love awareness and gaining knowledge. But I detest being ‘told’ that something is wrong to say, purely because the state (in all its forms) says it is. Im not sure what you saying (or asking) tbh? In political terms, one of my concerns about Labour being elected is because ‘woke’ in all its forms, will expand, I think. I’ll be told even more what is ‘right and wrong’ and will be vilified if I question this. One of the things that REFORM purports (whether you believe Farage or not) is to try to stop some of this. Ie being ‘told’ what to say and think. Who is vilifying you, Col? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Shep Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July I’m voting labour, if it was anyone else I wouldn’t dare say so on here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Col city fan Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 23 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: Who is vilifying you, Col? You would!! I see you as a very passive-aggressive personality! 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CosbehFox Posted 1 July Popular Post Share Posted 1 July 25 minutes ago, Col city fan said: I’d rather have both (and have both). Imo far more interesting and challenging See I simply don't want to spend time people who aren't alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice. That's a basic moral to live your life from. It's not interesting or challenging rather ignorant imo. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsr-burnley Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 1 hour ago, FoxesDeb said: Can someone please explain to me why some people use the term 'woke' like it's an insult, or something to be avoided? The reason "woke" is used about Emma Watson, for example, in her continued spat with JK Rowling, is because she careful to be seen as being on the right side of tolerance and justice for minorities, while simultaneously being willing to destroy the idea of women's refuges for women who are frightened of men - thereby being perceived by those who call her "woke" to be on the wrong side. It looks hypocritical. (Obviously she is an extreme example because of her obvious hypocrisy in being opposed to everything JK Rowling has seen and done except for the aspects where she can profit by it. If she has indeed given her entire income from Harry Potter to charity, then I withdraw the accusation of hypocrisy.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 35 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said: Sorry I thought my question was pretty clear My question was how it can be seen as a negative trait to be 'well-informed, up-to-date, alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice and so on. I'm not convinced that being accused of being 'woke' is quite the insult the people who use it as such seem to think it is, that's all I think basically it's insinuating someone is uptight, overly-sensitive and prone to telling others what not to say. So obviously quite offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 1 minute ago, Col city fan said: You would!! I see you as a very passive-aggressive personality! 😂 You see counter argument as passive aggressive? I'm as much against political correctness as most people, I detest it. You just don't like it that I constructively criticise you, thus you make it about my character rather than think about what I said. Ironically enough, what you do towards me, therefore, is entirely passive aggressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 1 minute ago, CosbehFox said: See I simply don't want to spend time people who aren't alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice. That's a basic moral to live your life from. It's not interesting or challenging rather ignorant imo. 'Injustice' is pretty subjective though. I think if you try to search out friends who see injustice in the same places as you your life is going to be quite frustrating 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 4 minutes ago, bovril said: 'Injustice' is pretty subjective though. I think if you try to search out friends who see injustice in the same places as you your life is going to be quite frustrating I read it as 'racial or social....injustice' rather injustice in a wider sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 5 minutes ago, bovril said: 'Injustice' is pretty subjective though. I think if you try to search out friends who see injustice in the same places as you your life is going to be quite frustrating And it's difficult, though often necessary, to navigate those waters, yeah. Tbh away from such subjective fields scientific and environmental policy should really speak for and stand for itself anyway and is a much more solid argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Col city fan Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 9 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: You see counter argument as passive aggressive? I'm as much against political correctness as most people, I detest it. You just don't like it that I constructively criticise you, thus you make it about my character rather than think about what I said. Ironically enough, what you do towards me, therefore, is entirely passive aggressive. You’ve gotten me wrong! My opinion of you as being passive-aggressive isn’t based on today! It’s based on years of talking to you on here! But, again, it’s only a perception and probably completely erroneous. I perceive many on FT this way tbh. People who are happy to put down by ‘joking’ etc. Your opinion of me is probably as an ignorant right-winger?! Tis the internet mate. And re ‘constructive criticism’, crikey.. I get so much of that on here that I embrace it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 2 minutes ago, Col city fan said: You’ve gotten me wrong! My opinion of you as being passive-aggressive isn’t based on today! It’s based on years of talking to you on here! But, again, it’s only a perception and probably completely erroneous. I perceive many on FT this way tbh. People who are happy to put down by ‘joking’ etc. Your opinion of me is probably as an ignorant right-winger?! Tis the internet mate. And re ‘constructive criticism’, crikey.. I get so much of that on here that I embrace it! Please don't suggest what I might think of you - it certainly isn't that, and generally I find you very agreeable. I have tried to put people down less, as a result of what you observed. I have no desire to vilify anything other than views that are abhorrent, and I wish to retain the right to express my opinion, and not be cowed by argumentative bullies (not you, I assure you) into silence. I hope you would support my desire not to be silenced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Col city fan Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said: Please don't suggest what I might think of you - it certainly isn't that, and generally I find you very agreeable. I have tried to put people down less, as a result of what you observed. I have no desire to vilify anything other than views that are abhorrent, and I wish to retain the right to express my opinion, and not be cowed by argumentative bullies (not you, I assure you) into silence. I hope you would support my desire not to be silenced. You’re one of my favourite posters on the forum mate. Always have been. For exactly the reasons you state above. Silencing you would be detrimental to the forum. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyKopCorner Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July I think you need to include won't be voting as no one seems to have a full grasp of the situation the country is in and has the policies to get it out of various messes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Col city fan Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 32 minutes ago, CosbehFox said: See I simply don't want to spend time people who aren't alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice. That's a basic moral to live your life from. It's not interesting or challenging rather ignorant imo. Nor do I tbh. But neither do I want to spend time with people who want to force that down my neck and to turn their nose up if they don’t perceive me as some sort of Mother Theresa. There are times that I’ll lob a grenade in just to stir up the conversation. Then it becomes interesting and challenging. And real of course. The world is not full of harmonial justice. It never has been. And if anything, it’s becoming even more dangerous. THAT needs talking about and discussing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboFox Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 4 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Nor do I tbh. But neither do I want to spend time with people who want to force that down my neck and to turn their nose up if they don’t perceive me as some sort of Mother Theresa. There are times that I’ll lob a grenade in just to stir up the conversation. Then it becomes interesting and challenging. And real of course. The world is not full of harmonial justice. It never has been. And if anything, it’s becoming even more dangerous. THAT needs talking about and discussing. Mother Theresa has been cancelled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithuriel Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 3 hours ago, SpacedX said: Reminded me of this... That was just his hairpiece too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxesDeb Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July Just realised I haven't answered the question yet. I'm swapping my vote with someone in Romsey and Southampton North who is going to vote Lib Dem for me, the polls there are currently at around 33% Tory and 31% LD, so hopefully it might make a difference. I will then vote Labour in my constituency, Harborough, for them. No point me voting Lib Dem there, and there's no point the person I'm swapping with voting Labour in their constituency. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunge Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July 1 minute ago, FoxesDeb said: Just realised I haven't answered the question yet. I'm swapping my vote with someone in Romsey and Southampton North who is going to vote Lib Dem for me, the polls there are currently at around 33% Tory and 31% LD, so hopefully it might make a difference. I will then vote Labour in my constituency, Harborough, for them. No point me voting Lib Dem there, and there's no point the person I'm swapping with voting Labour in their constituency. So, just between us, who are you really voting for? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 1 July Author Share Posted 1 July 4 hours ago, FoxesDeb said: Can someone please explain to me why some people use the term 'woke' like it's an insult, or something to be avoided? its the follow up to "do-gooder"... also somehow considered an insult 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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