trugerkem Posted 8 July Share Posted 8 July 4 hours ago, Finnegan said: You can't use net seasonal results, you need to look at per lots of 90 minutes. And over his two seasons in the Premier League, Patson Daka was the only Leicester striker to match or out perform his xG in both seasons, bettering both Vardy and Iheanacho over that period. He missed a couple of absolute sitters between Elland Road and the end of the season last year. I'm not suggesting he's perfect, I couldn't defend some of those misses in high stakes moments. But you equally can't argue with his output, it's been excellent. He's a scruffy looking footballer and he fails the eye test but so have plenty of other players in history, someone like Thomas Muller is a classic example (and before anyone starts, no I'm obviously not suggesting Daka is on that level.) But he is probably in the top five most under rated players by our own fanbase in the last twenty years. You can make stats work for anyone … try using your own eyes 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 8 July Share Posted 8 July Just now, trugerkem said: You can make stats work for anyone … try using your own eyes Yes, eyes have no bias whatsoever 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 8 July Share Posted 8 July 15 minutes ago, trugerkem said: You can make stats work for anyone … try using your own eyes My eyes saw him get 12 direct goal contributions in just 15 starts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 8 July Share Posted 8 July 4 minutes ago, Finnegan said: My eyes saw him get 12 direct goal contributions in just 15 starts. and nobody saw him score a goal against a side that finished in the top half last season (Elland Road offside shenanigans aside). The rest of us have never seen the same player that you have. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 8 July Share Posted 8 July 12 minutes ago, AKCJ said: The rest of us have never seen the same player that you have. I know you don't mean it to be but I do take that as a compliment I have no idea why people find me smug and hard to like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRocket Posted 8 July Share Posted 8 July 48 minutes ago, trugerkem said: You can make stats work for anyone … try using your own eyes I think alot of stats geek (family members ) would disagree with you. I personally don't understand stats but probably most accurate way to find an out comes unless they fall outside of the bell curve or what ever the geeks in the family talk about 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 8 July Share Posted 8 July 17 minutes ago, AKCJ said: and nobody saw him score a goal against a side that finished in the top half last season (Elland Road offside shenanigans aside). The rest of us have never seen the same player that you have. I mean he played against more sides in the bottom half so not sure what you expect, and a number of games against top half sides he only got a few minutes. He also got assists against Leeds and Ipswich 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HankMarvin Posted 8 July Share Posted 8 July (edited) 9 hours ago, Finnegan said: They also completely over look just how good a season Daka just had relative to his minutes played. Yes, he got out performed by Vardy in the end but only just and there's not much shame in that. Of players to play over a 1000 minutes in the league last year, only Jamie Vardy (1.02) had more goal contributions (combined goals and assists) per 90 minutes last season than Patson Daka (0.99) in the entire Championship, of players in any position. That's not nothing. For comparison, Summerville and Szmodics both had 0.72. It's also completely overlooking how much better the team looked collectively when he played. With your wealth of knowledge, it’s a surprise you didn’t get the Chelsea job. Enzo, on the other hand who did, noticed something completely different from “how much better the team looked collectively when Daka played.” Maybe it was the fact that we lost four out of the last six games Daka started? As for the players you picked for comparison, are they really comparable? Summerville played over 3.5 times the amount of minutes, and Szmodics played twice as many which I’m sure you are fully aware of. As we saw with Daka, the more minutes he played, the harder it was to maintain the early form of goals and contributions. Edited 8 July by HankMarvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kp1984 Posted 8 July Share Posted 8 July 100% no on loaning him out needs to start for us defo seen talent there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenom Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July 3 hours ago, Kp1984 said: 100% no on loaning him out needs to start for us defo seen talent there Start for us in the PL when he could hardly get minutes in the Championship? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July 10 hours ago, Tommy Fresh said: I mean he played against more sides in the bottom half so not sure what you expect, and a number of games against top half sides he only got a few minutes. He also got assists against Leeds and Ipswich If he meant the assist for Faes then he's got the sort of vision that Xavi Hernandez would be jealous of (he doesn't, it was a shanked header that he intended to aim goalwards) and the assist for the Mavididi goal is a simple 10 yard pass while he scored a screamer. Maybe he didn't play in the important games (unless injures/suspensions required him to start) because the manager recognised he wasn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July 3 minutes ago, AKCJ said: If he meant the assist for Faes then he's got the sort of vision that Xavi Hernandez would be jealous of (he doesn't, it was a shanked header that he intended to aim goalwards) and the assist for the Mavididi goal is a simple 10 yard pass while he scored a screamer. Maybe he didn't play in the important games (unless injures/suspensions required him to start) because the manager recognised he wasn't good enough. You've still got to be in a certain position to be able to provide an assist though haven't you? The one against Leeds seemed like a corner routine aimed at the front post for someone to flick on but each to their own. He wasn't used at all at the start of the season at all, which played a big part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July 3 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: You've still got to be in a certain position to be able to provide an assist though haven't you? The one against Leeds seemed like a corner routine aimed at the front post for someone to flick on but each to their own. He wasn't used at all at the start of the season at all, which played a big part. Didn't play in the first half of the season when we were incredible. Did play in the second half of the season when we were shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July 27 minutes ago, AKCJ said: Didn't play in the first half of the season when we were incredible. Did play in the second half of the season when we were shite. Did play in the build up to Christmas when we were very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July 1 hour ago, Tommy Fresh said: Did play in the build up to Christmas when we were very good Against the aforementioned tripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerrrFox Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July Looks like Steve’s going to alternate between a 3-4-2–1 and a 3-4-1-2 so think he will be included quite regularly this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July 39 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said: Looks like Steve’s going to alternate between a 3-4-2–1 and a 3-4-1-2 so think he will be included quite regularly this season. We are 100% in the market for a striker so unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July 1 hour ago, AKCJ said: Against the aforementioned tripe. We played a fair few of them at the start as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotFox1 Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July Hasn't had the opportunity to prove himself one way or another. Hopefully he'll get the opportunity in the pre-season and if deemed not quite good enough yet.. then a decent season long loan the the Championship (Stoke City??) will do him wonders!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kp1984 Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July 4 minutes ago, ScotFox1 said: Hasn't had the opportunity to prove himself one way or another. Hopefully he'll get the opportunity in the pre-season and if deemed not quite good enough yet.. then a decent season long loan the the Championship (Stoke City??) will do him wonders!! He did prove himself in the short few games he had and was unfairly dumped to the bench 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kp1984 Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July 13 hours ago, Phenom said: Start for us in the PL when he could hardly get minutes in the Championship? Are you a clown 🤡. I’m saying he should have played last season. He was realy good in the games he got but that donkey Daka returned and he was dumped. That’s on enzo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJams Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July I wonder if Bournemouth will come back in for Daka at some point! Then you've got to keep Cannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenom Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July 24 minutes ago, Kp1984 said: Are you a clown 🤡. I’m saying he should have played last season. He was realy good in the games he got but that donkey Daka returned and he was dumped. That’s on enzo. The only clown I see here is the one suggesting that a guy with 10 career Championship goals and 0 career PL goals should be our starting striker. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volpeazzurro Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July 44 minutes ago, Phenom said: The only clown I see here is the one suggesting that a guy with 10 career Championship goals and 0 career PL goals should be our starting striker. In fairness you never know. Vardy wasn't too shabby and he hadn't even played in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 9 July Share Posted 9 July 57 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said: In fairness you never know. Vardy wasn't too shabby and he hadn't even played in the Championship. Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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