Jordan Ayew (interest confirmed by Percy)

[hebangsthedrums]

29 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

the comparison of the two at the same age is not exactly favourable for Ayew mind: https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=1&dom_lg=1&player_id1=68796d61&p1yrfrom=2015-2016&p1yrto=2018-2019&player_id2=da052c14&p2yrfrom=2021-2022&p2yrto=2024-2025

 

personally I like that we won more points with shinji on the pitch than not, while Palace won more points with Ayew not not the pitch. most you can say about Ayew is he wins more loose balls, has a better tackle success rate and wins more fouls than shinji. Trade off is he scores significantly less than Shinji 

 Can't see a stat on falling over, need that to make an objective assessment (maybe also rating how heartwarming their smiles are - Shinji). 

[Lad1966]

On 11/08/2024 at 14:28, Finnegan said:

 

Very rightly. He's worse than what we have. 

 

Zaha and Fotis much better options. 

 

Totally agree with the point about the media.Its painted very negative picture with potential signings. I would also image all our siginings over the past season or 2 will have some kind off relegation clause written into their contracts.

[honeybradger]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

Ayew was first linked with us in July, so it's likely he's not a desperate last-minute choice but has always been a target. At the same time, we've also been consistently linked with a number of exciting young players with high potential resale value. It's therefore fair to assume that the plan has always been to bring in both battle-hardened PL veterans and exciting prospects from overseas, but that the latter type of deal has been harder to do so far. This might be because we're aiming a bit higher than Ipswich etc and are competing with clubs that have qualified for Europe, and it may also be because our looming points deduction is putting players off. Whatever the reason, the point is that we are still targeting those types of players in addition to Ayew - it's not an either/or situation. It's likely that we'll bring in some more exciting names, including a striker and an attacking midfielder, towards the end of the window when the market opens up.

Ipswich have managed to bring in players like Jacob Greaves, Jack Clarke, Smodizcs and we have brought in Okoli, Cordova Reid and Ayew.

 

You cant seriously argue in good faith that we are going for a higher profile of player than Ipswich. They were also linked with players like Ionnadis but at the end of the day they have been able to land far better players for almost the same price. 

[The whole world smiles]

4 hours ago, honeybradger said:

Everything you have brought up just highlights how short sighted we are as a club. Norwich scored the most from set pieces last season because they had an excellent dead ball specialist in Gabriel Sara.

 

We have no dead ball specialist at the club and therefore our set pieces do not have the delivery to be effective. Furthermore the entire signing of the Norwich set piece coach based on his record at Norwich seems like poor business as we look disorganised whilst defending set pieces. It almost seems like we looked at Norwich's record and didnt bother to look any further into why it was working out for them I.e. not the set piece coach.

Rome wasn't built in a day seems a bit harsh to judge the mans work on 1 game where we had to defend about 20 corners and refreshingly didn't conceded one. also I'm not sure your right about Gabriel Sara a lot of the Norwich free kick goals I've seen weren't a brilliant dead ball whipped in but more clever routines with lots of planned front post movement and doing the unexpected like these (Sara doesn't even take the one against us):

 

 

 

[reynard]

9 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I honestly think the irresponsible media coverage of our PSR situation has shafted us when it comes to transfers. The ridiculous headlines predicting multiple deductions amounting to 15+ points etc, based on zero actual evidence, have created a widespread perception (even among some of our own fans) that we're going to be hit very hard when in reality it will likely be around six points max. It's very likely that some deals that ordinarily would be achievable are not getting over the line because of this.

It is possible this is the case but frankly we have only ourselves to blame for the financial position we find ourselves in and the potential points deduction that may come our way.

It would be naive to think that football agents would not be aware of what is going on and  it became even more obvious when it was documented by local press and national press, with leaks from the club, that we needed to sell a player for 30 million to help us make FFP regulations for last year.  Although there has been some hysterical reporting there has also been plenty of rational stuff in the press about us. 

 

I'd say losing a manager regarded in the sport as progressive, upcoming, high profile and attractive to players and replacing him with a low profile manager with a not especially good record has probably had just as much influence in recruiting new players as some dodgy press articles.

[Dahnsouff]

4 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

Ipswich have managed to bring in players like Jacob Greaves, Jack Clarke, Smodizcs and we have brought in Okoli, Cordova Reid and Ayew.

 

You cant seriously argue in good faith that we are going for a higher profile of player than Ipswich. They were also linked with players like Ionnadis but at the end of the day they have been able to land far better players for almost the same price. 

Profile yes, potential no, but remember Ipswich start from a far different point financially and mentally than we do.

Would have loved Greaves and Clarke, but we cannot sign everyone and they are arguably a more appealing club than we are! (ooh that hurts)

[AKCJ]

4 hours ago, honeybradger said:

Everything you have brought up just highlights how short sighted we are as a club. Norwich scored the most from set pieces last season because they had an excellent dead ball specialist in Gabriel Sara.

 

We have no dead ball specialist at the club and therefore our set pieces do not have the delivery to be effective. Furthermore the entire signing of the Norwich set piece coach based on his record at Norwich seems like poor business as we look disorganised whilst defending set pieces. It almost seems like we looked at Norwich's record and didnt bother to look any further into why it was working out for them I.e. not the set piece coach.

Worth pointing out that the other big reason for having a set piece coach is to defend set pieces. Spurs put 13 corners bang on the money and we defended them all stoutly. 

 

The only chance they really had from them was the 98th minute header that came from a freekick.

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, reynard said:

It is possible this is the case but frankly we have only ourselves to blame for the financial position we find ourselves in and the potential points deduction that may come our way.

It would be naive to think that football agents would not be aware of what is going on and  it became even more obvious when it was documented by local press and national press, with leaks from the club, that we needed to sell a player for 30 million to help us make FFP regulations for last year.  Although there has been some hysterical reporting there has also been plenty of rational stuff in the press about us. 

 

I'd say losing a manager regarded in the sport as progressive, upcoming, high profile and attractive to players and replacing him with a low profile manager with a not especially good record has probably had just as much influence in recruiting new players as some dodgy press articles.

I think our options for the managerial vacancy were also limited because of the PSR situation. I wanted Corberan, but I wouldn't say he's any higher profile than Cooper. I also think you're being a little harsh on Cooper's record - he got Forest promoted at the first attempt then kept them up despite working in a chaotic environment and having a erratic transfer policy imposed on him by Forest's mad owner. I think his record overall is pretty decent.

[reynard]

4 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Profile yes, potential no, but remember Ipswich start from a far different point financially and mentally than we do.

Would have loved Greaves and Clarke, but we cannot sign everyone and they are arguably a more appealing club than we are! (ooh that hurts)

True though. They have a more dynamic manager who is highly regarded, definitely more of a draw than Cooper, plus they look like a progressive and interesting project which looks like it knows where it is going (even if it ultimately fails). Meanwhile we look a bit like a rusty old ship desperately trying to patch up all the holes with any old wood we can find.

[hebangsthedrums]

Just now, reynard said:

True though. They have a more dynamic manager who is highly regarded, definitely more of a draw than Cooper, plus they look like a progressive and interesting project which looks like it knows where it is going (even if it ultimately fails). Meanwhile we look a bit like a rusty old ship desperately trying to patch up all the holes with any old wood we can find.

Yes silly to try and patch rust holes with wood

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, reynard said:

True though. They have a more dynamic manager who is highly regarded, definitely more of a draw than Cooper, plus they look like a progressive and interesting project which looks like it knows where it is going (even if it ultimately fails). Meanwhile we look a bit like a rusty old ship desperately trying to patch up all the holes with any old wood we can find.

Agree with creaky old barge bit, but is he much less appealing than the McKenna? Given he has managed a lot of the youngsters I am not so sure and think that is "fan think" as much as fact.

[reynard]

1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said:

I think our options for the managerial vacancy were also limited because of the PSR situation. I wanted Corberan, but I wouldn't say he's any higher profile than Cooper. I also think you're being a little harsh on Cooper's record - he got Forest promoted at the first attempt then kept them up despite working in a chaotic environment and having a erratic transfer policy imposed on him by Forest's mad owner. I think his record overall is pretty decent.

Maybe I am being a bit harsh but I think this is more to do with public perception and profile and Cooper just doesn't have it. I think most of the other clubs in the premier League have managers that players would rather play for. Maybe I'm wrong and I hope he keeps us up. he's sure got a difficult job.

You're probably right re manager choice.

[honeybradger]

13 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

Rome wasn't built in a day seems a bit harsh to judge the mans work on 1 game where we had to defend about 20 corners and refreshingly didn't conceded one. also I'm not sure your right about Gabriel Sara a lot of the Norwich free kick goals I've seen weren't a brilliant dead ball whipped in but more clever routines with lots of planned front post movement and doing the unexpected like these (Sara doesn't even take the one against us):

 

 

 

Marcelino Nunez who assisted the Sara goal is also an excellent dead ball specialist. Yes the goals you linked were well worked but also had an excellent delivery on both. If you look at Sara's assists last season a lot were simply excellent deliveries and not much trickery.

 

 

[South Shire Fox]

29 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

Ipswich have managed to bring in players like Jacob Greaves, Jack Clarke, Smodizcs and we have brought in Okoli, Cordova Reid and Ayew.

 

You cant seriously argue in good faith that we are going for a higher profile of player than Ipswich. They were also linked with players like Ionnadis but at the end of the day they have been able to land far better players for almost the same price. 

Yes but Cooper is obsessed with signing players who have vast experience in the Prem. He mentions ‘Premier league experience’ in about every interview hes said about potential signings. He probably knows he wont have much time here and wants to hit the ground running instead of easing players in for the future of the club.
 

Seems abit like the Newcastle model when Howe took over where they signed, Dan Burn, Targett, Trippier, Chris Wood

Edited 23 August by South Shire Fox

[SafewayFox]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Agree with creaky old barge bit, but is he much less appealing than the McKenna? Given he has managed a lot of the youngsters I am not so sure and think that is "fan think" as much as fact.

McKenna was linked heavily with Brighton, United and Chelsea.

 

Was Cooper at all?

 

That is quite telling.

[reynard]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

Agree with creaky old barge bit, but is he much less appealing than the McKenna? Given he has managed a lot of the youngsters I am not so sure and think that is "fan think" as much as fact.

Right now I'd say McKenna is really in. You're getting players talking about what a great manager he is, how good on detail etc etc. Bigger clubs will certainly be watching.

 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, SafewayFox said:

McKenna was linked heavily with Brighton, United and Chelsea.

 

Was Cooper at all?

 

That is quite telling.

 

Just now, reynard said:

Right now I'd say McKenna is really in. You're getting players talking about what a great manager he is, how good on detail etc etc. Bigger clubs will certainly be watching.

 

No disputing any of that, but plenty of players he has coached at youth level have returned to join him at clubs like Forest, so he must have something about him.

[reynard]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

 

No disputing any of that, but plenty of players he has coached at youth level have returned to join him at clubs like Forest, so he must have something about him.

I'm sure he has. There is a difference though between youth players and established older pros.  Also hard to say that we've filled up our ranks with a lot of dynamic youngsters. This doesn't seem to be the direction we want to go.

[Muzzy_no7]

I’ve stayed away from the forum all day but just popping back to reiterate how disgusted I am with this potential signing. 

[Gravel]

2 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

I’ve stayed away from the forum all day but just popping back to reiterate how disgusted I am with this potential signing. 

Cheers. Are you my wife?

[RedSoxUK]

Guessing this isn't done in time for Fulham then?

[CaliFOXnia]

35 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

Ipswich have managed to bring in players like Jacob Greaves, Jack Clarke, Smodizcs and we have brought in Okoli, Cordova Reid and Ayew.

 

You cant seriously argue in good faith that we are going for a higher profile of player than Ipswich. They were also linked with players like Ionnadis but at the end of the day they have been able to land far better players for almost the same price. 

Let’s be fair as well, if Ipswich go down as many predict they will, that team will piss the Championship.

[Jabfox]

4 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

Guessing this isn't done in time for Fulham then?

looks that way, as much as it's not a signing that will set the world alight it would of been nice to get it done for the weekend I guess! 

[DZ-LCFC]

 

 

 

[Lambert09]

14 hours ago, orangecity23 said:

You can feel it coming, can't you? 33 million on Skipp and Ayew committed, "hopeful of getting 2" more attacking players. Next week it becomes "hopeful of 2 more, might need some departures". Deadline day "Hoping for a loan, as soon as a couple go out on loan". Then run out of time, whoops, never mind, at least we've got Ayew in. that'll sort us out until January, surely we'll sell Soumare then, the last 4 times we tried didn't work but we've got a good feeling this time.

No I think this is exactly what is going to happen… but until it does I will hold back my  complete damnation of the club because .. 

 

If the club is truthful and we are spending large sums of money on 2 more players, it changes the perception of this signing.

 

Essentially that means we had the budget remaining for 2 big signings and a loan or free transfer, something that we all accepted we would have to do. 

 

But with loans, you need to pay a large fee and for established players that can come at 6-7 mill.  So if we preferred ayew to getting Broja for example, we may even be saving money.  And i hate to highlight this for some of you, but a free transfer is not free at all, i almost guarantee bdr got a sign on fee in the millions and probably a survival bonus close to that as well. 

 

 What’s not good is that we might have his wages for 3 years but if there’s any chance he’s been respectful in his requests, (in order to play in england for longer) then the club might see it as a useful player to have around the club. Good model pro and likely offers something in the championship if we drop. 

 

on the surface it’s a bad deal but if he is preferred to other loan options, then it’s simply just what the manager feels would be needed. I can’t help but think it’s a manager thinking about how to help himself in the moment with no view to a future at the  club but i’m trying to work the logical side of it into my head. 

Edited 23 August by Lambert09