StanSP Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August We don't need no Keita, we got Skipp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post FrankieADZ Posted 19 August Popular Post Share Posted 19 August and we could have got him for peanuts; this multi club model isnt working very well is it.... wonder who the DoF is there 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybradger Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August Surely Antwerp would have snapped our hands off if we offered the £20+5 mil we paid for Skipp for Keita. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wignalll2007 Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 1 minute ago, honeybradger said: Surely Antwerp would have snapped our hands off if we offered the £20+5 mil we paid for Skipp for Keita. Is he any better or just a fancy foreign alternative? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danno Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 1 minute ago, wignalll2007 said: Is he any better or just a fancy foreign alternative? Exactly No one has seen him play 😂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybradger Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August Just now, wignalll2007 said: Is he any better or just a fancy foreign alternative? Yes he is better. Keita is comfortable on the ball and can pass through the lines, Skipp is uncomfortable on the ball and often opts to pass sideways instead of taking a risk. Keita is also the superior player defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 19 August Author Share Posted 19 August (edited) 11 minutes ago, Danno said: Exactly No one has seen him play 😂 I watched quite a lot of his games for Leuven and he looked very good then when he was 19/20, and he has got better whilst at Antwerp. Edited 19 August by moore_94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K789 Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 11 minutes ago, honeybradger said: Yes he is better. Keita is comfortable on the ball and can pass through the lines, Skipp is uncomfortable on the ball and often opts to pass sideways instead of taking a risk. Keita is also the superior player defensively. He plays in Jupiter pro league. Skipp is battle hardened premier league player and only a year older 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybradger Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 3 minutes ago, K789 said: He plays in Jupiter pro league. Skipp is battle hardened premier league player and only a year older In my opinion football ability is far more important than experience. Ayew has been a premier league regular for a decade but that doesnt make him better option than Mahrez was when we signed him from Ligue 2 for example. Objectively Skipp has less ability than Keita and for the record he's got less premier league experience than Dewsbury Hall, who a section of our fans hesitate to call premier league proven, so arguably he's not even a "battle hardened premier league player". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 1 minute ago, honeybradger said: In my opinion football ability is far more important than experience. Ayew has been a premier league regular for a decade but that doesnt make him better option than Mahrez was when we signed him from Ligue 2 for example. Objectively Skipp has less ability than Keita and for the record he's got less premier league experience than Dewsbury Hall, who a section of our fans hesitate to call premier league proven, so arguably he's not even a "battle hardened premier league player". How are you working that out? Kdh has 60 appearences, Skipp 77. Think the point on Kdh is he's an attacking midfielder with 3 pl goals to his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August Just now, honeybradger said: In my opinion football ability is far more important than experience. Ayew has been a premier league regular for a decade but that doesnt make him better option than Mahrez was when we signed him from Ligue 2 for example. Objectively Skipp has less ability than Keita and for the record he's got less premier league experience than Dewsbury Hall, who a section of our fans hesitate to call premier league proven, so arguably he's not even a "battle hardened premier league player". Yes but you are comparing footballing ability on an uneven stage, it may well be as you say but comparing Skipp in the Premier League to Keita in Jupiter is not a reasonable comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybradger Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 1 minute ago, Chocolate Teapot said: How are you working that out? Kdh has 60 appearences, Skipp 77. Think the point on Kdh is he's an attacking midfielder with 3 pl goals to his name. KDH has 4500 PL minutes, Skipp has 3800 PL minutes. Dewsbury Hall did not play as an attacking midfielder for us in the PL he played in the pivot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybradger Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Yes but you are comparing footballing ability on an uneven stage, it may well be as you say but comparing Skipp in the Premier League to Keita in Jupiter is not a reasonable comparison. The gap between the leagues is big enough that a player might not be able to do things as consistently in the PL as in the Jupiter league, it's not big enough that one player can play a fundamentally different game in one league than they can in the other. If Skipp played in the Jupiter league he wouldn't suddenly be able to match Keita's ball playing ability because the league is weaker, he would be able do the what he already does more consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August (edited) 19 minutes ago, honeybradger said: KDH has 4500 PL minutes, Skipp has 3800 PL minutes. Dewsbury Hall did not play as an attacking midfielder for us in the PL he played in the pivot. He did? tielemans played on the pivot when wilf wasn’t available kdh was left midfield pressing high the pivot is cdm infront of the back four - never seen kdh there Edited 19 August by st albans fox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybradger Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 8 minutes ago, st albans fox said: He did? tielemans played on the pivot when wilf wasn’t available kdh was left midfield pressing high the pivot is cdm infront of the back four - never seen kdh there Dewsbury Hall has a similar number of defensive contributions per game in the PL as Skipp does. He was definitely playing a defensive role for us in the PL covering for Tielemans and Maddison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKLFox Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August Liverpool coming into the equation now so all a moot point. Only failing is not seeing potential whilst at OHL as mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyrobot Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 45 minutes ago, honeybradger said: KDH has 4500 PL minutes, Skipp has 3800 PL minutes. Dewsbury Hall did not play as an attacking midfielder for us in the PL he played in the pivot. No way was KDH the pivot. He’s always played that inside left attacking number 8 position. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 45 minutes ago, honeybradger said: The gap between the leagues is big enough that a player might not be able to do things as consistently in the PL as in the Jupiter league, it's not big enough that one player can play a fundamentally different game in one league than they can in the other. If Skipp played in the Jupiter league he wouldn't suddenly be able to match Keita's ball playing ability because the league is weaker, he would be able do the what he already does more consistently. Seems like they have typically differing roles too, hopefully he gets a move somewhere and we can see how he does at higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybradger Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 7 minutes ago, funkyrobot said: No way was KDH the pivot. He’s always played that inside left attacking number 8 position. Started in the pivot a lot for us. His role was definitely more as hardworking ball winner who progressed the ball up the pitch than an attacking midfielder with a license to make runs into the box and create chances in most games for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 13 minutes ago, honeybradger said: Started in the pivot a lot for us. His role was definitely more as hardworking ball winner who progressed the ball up the pitch than an attacking midfielder with a license to make runs into the box and create chances in most games for us. It was more that our team would have one 8, one 10 and one 6 as opposed to him being in a pivot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyrobot Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 22 minutes ago, honeybradger said: Started in the pivot a lot for us. His role was definitely more as hardworking ball winner who progressed the ball up the pitch than an attacking midfielder with a license to make runs into the box and create chances in most games for us. That doesn’t show KDH in a pivot role. He played ahead of Ndidi & Tielemans. Always on the left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybradger Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 14 minutes ago, AKCJ said: It was more that our team would have one 8, one 10 and one 6 as opposed to him being in a pivot. Is that not what pivots are usually made up of though? Usually you don't have 2 sixes. The main point i was trying to make was that there wasn't an expectation for Dewsbury Hall to provide goals and assists in our system because his role was winning the ball and moving the ball up the pitch so his numbers in the PL arent important. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyrobot Posted 19 August Share Posted 19 August 27 minutes ago, honeybradger said: Is that not what pivots are usually made up of though? Usually you don't have 2 sixes. The main point i was trying to make was that there wasn't an expectation for Dewsbury Hall to provide goals and assists in our system because his role was winning the ball and moving the ball up the pitch so his numbers in the PL arent important. KDH talked in at least two preseasons about trying to get more goals. I don’t think many will agree with you about his former role. Yes he might’ve been given more leeway to stay forward under Enzo and as a result he got more goals and assists but he was never a pivot. A box to box midfielder certainly but not a pivot who will play deep and centrally. Until Winks we didn’t really play with that role. More a CDM in Ndidi with Tielemans and particularly KDH more advanced, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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