coolhandfox Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August 2 minutes ago, WarehamFox said: What a shit line up! Always lined up for defeat. We have some attacking players but none are played. What is Coopers plan? No rocket science is it, keep the game tight and try and knick it late on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfanlee23 Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August 4 minutes ago, Danno said: Why would we go for a player who’s team shat themselves in the play offs to Southampton? He hasn’t achieved anything His spending since arriving would suggest he's done quite well there, but that's opinions, the point was mainly about the fact we "couldn't afford" him when we've spent £70m+ on players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Viva Posted 31 August Popular Post Share Posted 31 August This place is getting too much! I'd be embarrassed if any other clubs fans were looking at this. Far too much ridiculous anger. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfanlee23 Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August Just now, SixtiesFox said: I thought Okoli was immense today. Thought he had a good game too, him and Faes were both a bit muddled for the 2nd goal which was a mistake on both of them but overall he had a much better game compared to what he's shown so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inckley fox Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August Just now, coolhandfox said: No rocket science is it, keep the game tight and try and knick it late on. I just thought he was too late in attacking the game. At 55 minutes I was screaming that we'd end up two down if we didn't get more creative players on the field. He needs time, of course, and he clearly has the players brilliantly motivated. But his negativity was a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August the one positive I can find is it's Everton at home in 3 weeks and when we lose comfortably to them it'll get toxic enough to force tops hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Nick Posted 31 August Popular Post Share Posted 31 August Wrong appointment. We panicked probably understandably given the circumstances and our situation. I looked at that lineup today and it reminded me of Dean Smith away to Newcastle. Absolutely dogshit. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyfin Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August 1 minute ago, The Doctor said: the one positive I can find is it's Everton at home in 3 weeks and when we lose comfortably to them it'll get toxic enough to force tops hand Sad. Very very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnup Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August He needs to start a different 11 against Everton. If we start like that in 3 weeks I'll be struggling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfanlee23 Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August It's all opinions but fwiw, I think too many people see the game as black and white of attack vs defence, I agree I think we were setup too defensively minded, but Skipp got forward quite often. Out of the 3 man midfield, Ndidi plays more defensively, Skipp goes forward and Winks plays between the two. This idea that just because we subbed on some offensive midfielders and we started creating chances that we should have started with that and would have got a better result if we did is just oversimplifying tactics. With a 3 man midfield of Winks, Skipp and Ndidi we were still defensively overrun, if we had Bouanotte on from the beginning we very likely could have been even more overrun in midfield which easily could have cost us more goals in the first half. I understand peoples frustrations with Cooper wanting to setup with a more traditionally "solid" midfield at the expense of creativity, but that doesn't automatically mean it's the wrong decision. He could have started with Bouanotte and we go into half time 3-0 down, in the end we came into the 2nd half still in the game vs a Champions League side. Was it frustrating? Yes. Is throwing attackers on from minute 1 always the answer? of course not. Football isn't black and white. I hope we find a better balance too, but my personal opinion is that if we had dropped Skipp, Ndidi or Winks we would have been even further behind with how badly our midfield was getting overrun. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August 3 minutes ago, themightyfin said: Sad. Very very sad. yea, it is sad that we're reduced to waiting for this championship standard manager to be sacked so we can have a crack at trying to stay up 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchandro Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August 6 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: No rocket science is it, keep the game tight and try and knick it late on. Yeh, that’s a shit plan though. Backed up by the fact that we lost, and were well on top once we brought attacking players on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Fox Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August How can anyone defend Cooper he’s absolutely crap! The sooner he’s sacked the better. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The whole world smiles Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August 5 minutes ago, The Doctor said: the one positive I can find is it's Everton at home in 3 weeks and when we lose comfortably to them it'll get toxic enough to force tops hand Just on my way back from the ground. Cooper got a warm reception from all 4 sides of the ground at full time with the crowd appreciating his sides endeavour and fight. The only place that's toxic is this negative little echo chamber. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfanlee23 Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August (edited) 3 minutes ago, The Doctor said: yea, it is sad that we're reduced to waiting for this championship standard manager to be sacked so we can have a crack at trying to stay up Who would you go for if he was sacked tonight? Genuinely curious Available coaches | Transfermarkt Imo, I think it would have to be someone who can come in and rally the team, Moyes/Nige/Sam type manager. I'd really love for us to find a gem who wants to play attractive football but is the gamble on an unknown any better than sticking with cooper? Edited 31 August by cityfanlee23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfanlee23 Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August Just now, The whole world smiles said: Just on my way back from the ground. Cooper got a warm reception from all 4 sides of the ground at full time with the crowd appreciating his sides endeavour and fight. The only place that's toxic is this negative little echo chamber. You're right that often this place does become an echo chamber, but it's worth noting that the ground can also become one too. Rodgers was being clapped right to the very end by the majority. Devils advocate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August Just now, cityfanlee23 said: Who would you go for if he was sacked tonight? Genuinely curious Available coaches | Transfermarkt Dyche? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJams Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August 1 minute ago, cityfanlee23 said: It's all opinions but fwiw, I think too many people see the game as black and white of attack vs defence, I agree I think we were setup too defensively minded, but Skipp got forward quite often. Out of the 3 man midfield, Ndidi plays more defensively, Skipp goes forward and Winks plays between the two. This idea that just because we subbed on some offensive midfielders and we started creating chances that we should have started with that and would have got a better result if we did is just oversimplifying tactics. With a 3 man midfield of Winks, Skipp and Ndidi we were still defensively overrun, if we had Bouanotte on from the beginning we very likely could have been even more overrun in midfield which easily could have cost us more goals in the first half. I understand peoples frustrations with Cooper wanting to setup with a more traditionally "solid" midfield at the expense of creativity, but that doesn't automatically mean it's the wrong decision. He could have started with Bouanotte and we go into half time 3-0 down, in the end we came into the 2nd half still in the game vs a Champions League side. Was it frustrating? Yes. Is throwing attackers on from minute 1 always the answer? of course not. Football isn't black and white. I hope we find a better balance too, but my personal opinion is that if we had dropped Skipp, Ndidi or Winks we would have been even further behind with how badly our midfield was getting overrun. But Wilf doesn't keep the ball so having a better player on the ball like Buo or Bilal doesn't necessarily mean you're worse off defensively, because the opponent isn't constantly being gifted the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August 3 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said: Who would you go for if he was sacked tonight? Genuinely curious Available coaches | Transfermarkt pay the money for Corberan or swallow our pride, make Rudkin vice executive of KP horse racing and let Potter bring in an actual DoF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCFCJohn Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August I was really pro his appointment and really want him to do well but my god is he making it so difficult. Im not there yet. But I need to see him see what we are all seeing over the next couple of games and after the international break when he has had chance to work with them. I can deal with going down but at least have a go. Something like: Mads Ricardo - Vestergaard or Faes - Okolie - VK Winks - Skipp Fatawu - Facuno or Bilal - Mavididi Vardy or Edouard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfanlee23 Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August 2 minutes ago, JimJams said: But Wilf doesn't keep the ball so having a better player on the ball like Buo or Bilal doesn't necessarily mean you're worse off defensively, because the opponent isn't constantly being gifted the ball. Yeah I agree with that too, can definitely see both sides, but on the flipside of that, Buo came on at a time in the match where Villa were backing off and soaking up pressure which allowed him space and time to move around, in the first half there is no guarantee he would have got any space or time, he's not a strong player and could easily have been bullied out of the game. I can see both sides, i'm just pointing out the fact that it's never black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August 4 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said: Just on my way back from the ground. Cooper got a warm reception from all 4 sides of the ground at full time with the crowd appreciating his sides endeavour and fight. The only place that's toxic is this negative little echo chamber. yea, the fans at the game were more bothered about moaning at perceived slights by the ref but patience and support among the masses with him can only last so long when he's already so obviously out of his depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August 1 minute ago, The Doctor said: pay the money for Corberan or swallow our pride, make Rudkin vice executive of KP horse racing and let Potter bring in an actual DoF. The horses reading this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafewayFox Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August Why do people who disagree with others on here make personal comments? I mean it’s very easy to call the ones who can’t fault Top/Cooper, white knights - they won’t sleep with you lads BUT that’s too easy. Cooper’s disregard for Ricky and Stephy straight away make it hard for me to sympathize for him then throw in the turgid football and apparent obsession with PL experienced players makes it a pretty rough situation to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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