Cooper - OUT

[Vazman]

I'm sure Rudkins on it, and has his top 2 on speed dial, god help us:

1. Big Sam

2. Fat Frank

 

[suffolk fox]

1 hour ago, Mike1983 said:

In all honesty, I’d rather have Mike Stowell back for the remainder of the season than persist with Cooper. The only glimpses of quality we've seen have come from individual moments, not from any tactical direction imposed by the manager.

 

 

Really?  Ffs......

[Lako42]

Wanking off Dean Smith is one hell of an indicator of the damage the board have done to this club in such a small period of time. 

[Lambert09]

Cooper will be sacked in december when we are at the foot of the table and have been embarassed by a shocking team again. 

 

Rudkin will spend 4 weeks chasing potter again and will start getting desperate and will call up jessie marsch and ask how much it would take for him to leave canada. We’ll pay 6 mill in compensation and then say we can’t sign anyone in january now

 

fast forward to the end of august and we are booing jordan ayew as he keeps falling over before we lose to plymouth and Rooney somehow has them top and we’re sat in the relegation zone again 

Edited Sunday at 23:34 by Lambert09

[Mickyblueeyes]

If we were able to get Moyes, snobbishness aside, we’d be better off for it. He would organise us for one. The question is, does the club want a Moyes to be the long term project? It be a large contract and at least 3 years. I don’t think it is. 
 

We’ve moved on since we were the club everyone wanted to be like. These current lot we aspire to be like have been quite innovative in their appointments. Brighton, Bournemouth showing what it is to be a forward thinking club in their approach. We don’t have that in our arsenal, we have a lazy owner flanked by an incompetent board who still can’t believe they are where they are. 
 

Moyes is a disciplinarian and we went down fundamentally because the players took it to easy. If the manager is not pushing those standards like Enzo. Who is ? Top “I want to play like Man City” ? He couldn’t push a cart. We’d stay up if we got him and I think quite comfortably. I don’t have faith in the club going out and getting a forward thinking, up coming coach (which would be my preference). Therefore, we need someone with experience. That is, unless one falls into our lap again.

[urban.spaceman]

9 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Cooper will be sacked in december when we are at the foot of the table and have been embarassed by a shocking team again. 

 

Rudkin will spend 4 weeks chasing potter again and will start getting desperate and will call up jessie marsch and ask how much it would take for him to leave canada. We’ll pay 6 mill in compensation and then say we can’t sign anyone in january now

 

fast forward to the end of august and we are booing jordan ayew as he keeps falling over before we lose to plymouth and Rooney somehow has them top and we’re sat in the relegation form again 

Worst. Tarot reading. Ever. 

[Mon.is.a.god]

5 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Potter didn’t bin us off. We didn’t agree to pay to release the team he wanted from their current contracts with their respective clubs. So because of this he didn’t want to take the job, which is fair enough. 
 

Cooper was appointed because it financially was the best option, because we were not sure what was going to happen re PRS. Potter wanted the job, we couldn’t make it happen for the reasons above. 

10 hours ago, westernpark said:

Potter wanted the job, he just realised that it would be pointless taking it on with our current director of football. Hence his request to bring his own person in.

10 hours ago, Fox85 said:

Corberan had intrest in the job.

 

Leicester didn't want to spend (money 4 mill) to get him and went for the much cheaper option.

Would love to know how people know the above as fact?

 

No doubt we had interest in the names mentioned above, but it’s obvious the impending points deduction had the final say.

 

Potter is sitting on a nice pension from Chelsea and Corberan seems to be a man of principle. He rejected the chance of managing Leeds who he had a mutual connection with, which to me says a lot about his character. He’s obviously backed himself to bring WBA up.

 

As much as the Cooper appointment is looking to be a parody, I don’t doubt the club had other targets in mind but I’m guessing they just couldn’t convince them to join us with the points deduction incoming.

 

IMO, I don’t think Cooper was appointed on the back of a financial decision but was just the best of a bad bunch.

 

For the record, I don’t think Potter or Corberan are great targets anyway and I was disappointed when they were favourites to land the job in the summer.

 

It feels like we got away with one by escaping the points deduction, but in reality it looks like it’s punished us already not being able to bring top targets in on the management and playing side.

Edited Sunday at 20:26 by Mon.is.a.god

[Legend_in_blue]

Currently this is playing out pretty much as I expected it would.  What makes it so frustrating is that it's glaringly obvious that (a) we don't need to make this half as difficult as we currently are making it to be and that (b) we should be quite a bit better off than our currently points tally shows.  Both outcomes are a direct result of Cooper.  He's a frustrating man to listen to and to watch and his team selections are just as frustrating as he is.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 20:05 by Legend_in_blue

[Pliskin]

29 minutes ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

Would love to know how people know the above as fact?

 

No doubt we had interest in the names mentioned above, but it’s obvious the impending points deduction had the final say.

 

Potter is sitting on a nice pension from Chelsea and Corberan seems to be a man of principle. He rejected the chance of managing Leeds who he had a mutual connection with, which to me says a lot about his character. He’s obviously backed himself to bring WBA up.

 

As much as the Cooper appointment is looking to be a parody, I don’t doubt the club had other targets in mind but I’m guessing they just couldn’t convince them to join us with the points deduction incoming.

 

IMO, I don’t think Cooper was appointed on the back of a financial decision but was just the best of a bad bunch.

 

For the record, I don’t think Potter or Corberan are great targets anyway and I was disappointed when they were favourites to land the job in the summer.

 

It feels like we got away with one by escaping the points deduction, but in reality it looks like it’s punished us already not being able to bring top targets in on the management and playing side.

The guardian and other media outlets were reporting the story RE Potter 72 hours before Cooper was announced. Ornstein also mentioned something on talksport at the time that there was a disagreement about backroom staff between us and Potter which is why the talks ended and we moved for Cooper. It was rumoured that he wanted to bring his own scouting network and we wouldn’t pay to release some of his staff from other contracts. 
 

Cooper was definitely third choice…. He was the only one without baggage and the club didn’t know what was happening with regards to PRS, so they aired on the side of caution and went with a guy who they believed would be good in a scrap. 
 

And I respectfully disagree regarding Cooper being the best of a bad bunch, if anyone thinks he and Potter are equals they’re insane, Potter a vastly superior coach to Cooper, I don’t get this weird thing some football fans have where they think some coaches are crap without any real argument, there are better coaches than Potter of course, but he laid the foundations for Brighton to succeed and he definitely isn’t crap. We turn our nose up at him, and when I mention his name to my peers they piss themselves, because they think he is far above our level.

 

Cooper is a diabolical manager and his appointment is a huge mistake by the board, we may as well not have one and we would be no worse off. If Cooper was ever a best of a bad bunch, I’d hate to see the bunch….. Peter Taylor would have to be one…… with Mark Magee a close second? 

[Daggers]

13 hours ago, Iwebema said:

Martin Allen vibes. Painful how out of his depth he is, he thinks hes managing Stevenage.

Get out the mini disposable BBQs and send Ricky into the toilets.

[sdb]

53 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

If we were able to get Moyes, snobbishness aside, we’d be better off for it. He would organise us for one. The question is, does the club want a Moyes to be the long term project? It be a large contract and at least 3 years. I don’t think it is. 
 

We’ve moved on since we were the club everyone wanted to be like. These current lot we aspire to be like have been quite innovative in their appointments. Brighton, Bournemouth showing what it is to be a forward thinking club in their approach. We don’t have that in our arsenal, we have a lazy owner flanked by an incompetent board who still can’t believe they are where they are. 
 

Moyes is a disciplinarian and we went down fundamentally because the players took it to easy. If the manager is not pushing those standards like Enzo. Who is ? Top “I want to play like Man City” ? He couldn’t push a cart. We’d stay up if we got him and I think quite comfortably. I don’t have faith in the club going out and getting a forward thinking, up coming coach (which would be my preference). Therefore, we need someone with experience. That is, unless one falls into our lap again.

I'd take a good manager for a year or two over a shit one. We can worry about identity once we've established ourselves back in this league. 

[Mon.is.a.god]

25 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

The guardian and other media outlets were reporting the story RE Potter 72 hours before Cooper was announced. Ornstein also mentioned something on talksport at the time that there was a disagreement about backroom staff between us and Potter which is why the talks ended and we moved for Cooper. It was rumoured that he wanted to bring his own scouting network and we wouldn’t pay to release some of his staff from other contracts. 
 

Cooper was definitely third choice…. He was the only one without baggage and the club didn’t know what was happening with regards to PRS, so they aired on the side of caution and went with a guy who they believed would be good in a scrap. 
 

And I respectfully disagree regarding Cooper being the best of a bad bunch, if anyone thinks he and Potter are equals they’re insane, Potter a vastly superior coach to Cooper, I don’t get this weird thing some football fans have where they think some coaches are crap without any real argument, there are better coaches than Potter of course, but he laid the foundations for Brighton to succeed and he definitely isn’t crap. We turn our nose up at him, and when I mention his name to my peers they piss themselves, because they think he is far above our level.

You still haven’t got any facts to what you’re saying. You’re joining the dots and making educated guesses which is fair enough but don’t write statements as if you know the exact ins and outs of behind the scenes, it’s just embarrassing.

 

I’m also in the Cooper out camp so not sure what your second point is about?
 

Potter didn’t lay any foundation's at Brighton, their board and management behind the scenes did. In fact Chris Hughton did the hard work and got them to the promise land not the fraud Potter. The managers post Potter have far exceeded what he ever did there in terms of style of football. When we played Brighton under Potter, they weren’t anything special.
 

In my humble opinion the choice of Potter, Corberan and Cooper wasn’t that great and none of them excited me. I’d much rather take a punt on an up and coming manager with an identity ala Enzo but something a bit more resourceful ala Klopps style.

Edited Sunday at 21:07 by Mon.is.a.god

[Guppys Love Child]

3 hours ago, westernpark said:

I’ve read this in the voice of Gerald from Clarkson’s farm.

'Wise Words'. 🤪

[Corky]

West Ham defensively last season were terrible. I don't see Moyes organising us.

[mod hero]

31 minutes ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

You still haven’t got any facts to what you’re saying. You’re joining the dots and making educated guesses which is fair enough but don’t write statements as if you know the exact ins and outs of behind the scenes, it’s just embarrassing.

 

I’m also in the Cooper out camp so not sure what your second point is about?
 

Potter didn’t lay any foundation's at Brighton, their board and management behind the scenes did. In fact Chris Hughton did the hard work and got them to the promise land not the fraud Potter. The managers post Potter have far exceeded what he ever did there in terms of style of football. When we played Brighton under Potter, they weren’t anything special.
 

In my humble opinion the choice of Potter, Corberan and Cooper wasn’t that great and none of them excited me. I’d much rather take a punt on an up and coming manager with an identity ala Enzo but something a bit more resourceful ala Klopps style.

Potter had them playing some lovely stuff, his brilliant start to his last season with them got him the Chelsea job. I think his last game was when they dicked us 5-2

[adejo92]

3 hours ago, Mike1983 said:

In all honesty, I’d rather have Mike Stowell back for the remainder of the season than persist with Cooper. The only glimpses of quality we've seen have come from individual moments, not from any tactical direction imposed by the manager.

 

 

What individual moments of quality are you referring to?

 

I don't think we've seen any individual quality above that of what's expected at Premier League level.

 

It's fine to want Cooper out, but atleast put together a somewhat factual argument.

 

Edited Sunday at 21:39 by adejo92

[5waller5]

I thought it was interesting that Nuno, who was viewed as quite unadventurous as Wolves boss, at 2-1 down at H/T bought on 3 subs, and 15 minutes later another sub and change in formation. 
 

That’s a reasonably cautious manager chasing a game (drew 2-2 in case you can’t bring yourself to look). 
 

Contrast with Cautious Cooper

[Muzzy_no7]

3 hours ago, Reg Vardy said:

So, we spend £5m on a Chelsea youth team player, but won’t spend £4m ( having got £10m for Enzo) on. The Manager, who was desperate for the job…..we have done some unbelievable things last few years, but this tops it all….

We got more than 10m for Enzo and all his staff.

 

It was in excess of 20m combined 

[BrianSwan]

Corberan would have been great

[KFS]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DAJHIMFhbf5/?igsh=MTd2cTF4eW1pdWFwaA==

[Jordan]

For the first month of the season, I was a little irritated by Cooper’s team selection and in-game decisions because I thought he was a lot more clever than what he was showing in a bid to play it safe.

 

After Everton home, I’m now just irritated by Cooper.

[shiv]

11 hours ago, The_77 said:

How could anyone getting paid to manage a squad keep Ayew on for 90 minutes and barely give Fatawu a sniff against ASHLEY YOUNG??

 

We’re gonna have to win a couple of games to stay up and if he’s too scared to go for a win against Everton at home, then who are we ever going to get three points from?

 

How many goals are we doing to concede from James Justin’s side before Cooper gives up on the point he’s trying to prove against Ricardo?

 

Why is he letting Harry Winks play as Papy Mendy 2.0 and be a passenger on a side that cannot keep the ball?

 

The players don’t believe in Cooper and there’s no reason yet for our supporters to give him our faith. 

Agree with everything except your Winks point. He’s made the most breaking line passes in the league. Always looking to be positive which is refreshing. 

[SafewayFox]

7 hours ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

You still haven’t got any facts to what you’re saying. You’re joining the dots and making educated guesses which is fair enough but don’t write statements as if you know the exact ins and outs of behind the scenes, it’s just embarrassing.

 

I’m also in the Cooper out camp so not sure what your second point is about?
 

Potter didn’t lay any foundation's at Brighton, their board and management behind the scenes did. In fact Chris Hughton did the hard work and got them to the promise land not the fraud Potter. The managers post Potter have far exceeded what he ever did there in terms of style of football. When we played Brighton under Potter, they weren’t anything special.
 

In my humble opinion the choice of Potter, Corberan and Cooper wasn’t that great and none of them excited me. I’d much rather take a punt on an up and coming manager with an identity ala Enzo but something a bit more resourceful ala Klopps style.

So you say other posters aren’t talking facts yet ignore this about the “fraud” Potter -

 

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/introducing-graham-potters-chelsea-backroom-staff

 

Living on the south coast I remember the Brighton fans being upset that Potter went then fuming that he took the back room staff but particularly about Bruno who was a Brighton cult hero….pretty safe to say him going with Potter suggest he did ok at Brighton.

 

I don’t care what language/“facts” people talk about on here as it’s a fans forum but don’t accuse someone of something and then go do it in the same post mate.

 

Did Bruno leave with Brighton’s savior in Hughton (he was viewed as out of his depth locally) or Potter who you suggested did nothing at Brighton?!

 

 

[Pliskin]

8 hours ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

You still haven’t got any facts to what you’re saying. You’re joining the dots and making educated guesses which is fair enough but don’t write statements as if you know the exact ins and outs of behind the scenes, it’s just embarrassing.

 

I’m also in the Cooper out camp so not sure what your second point is about?
 

Potter didn’t lay any foundation's at Brighton, their board and management behind the scenes did. In fact Chris Hughton did the hard work and got them to the promise land not the fraud Potter. The managers post Potter have far exceeded what he ever did there in terms of style of football. When we played Brighton under Potter, they weren’t anything special.
 

In my humble opinion the choice of Potter, Corberan and Cooper wasn’t that great and none of them excited me. I’d much rather take a punt on an up and coming manager with an identity ala Enzo but something a bit more resourceful ala Klopps style.

Eh? There were actual news articles about Potter joining….

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/18/leicester-appointing-graham-potter-manager-replace-enzo-maresca

 

And then Ornstein on talksport explained about the backroom staff scenario…. So how exactly is that joining dots? Even Percy stated in his article the club went for Cooper as it financially seemed the best option. 
 

I don’t understand your second point, when my second point was about Cooper being a PRS appointment, which he very clearly was.

 

And that is utter nonsense… Potter and his team took Brighton to a new level, not Chris ****ing Hughton, that’s a wild statement, Potter changed the way the scouting was done, and along with their board helped them to essentially perfect what we had tried. Potter is a brilliant coach and he did an excellent job at Brighton, regardless of what people try to say, and he earned a shot at a big job. In fact, there was a steady decline under De Zerbi as they finished the season fairly poorly before he left. 
 

And you can’t surely think Corberán isn’t a good young manager? He has transformed WBA into promotion candidates with a budget the size of a Freddo…. I’m not saying he’s an internationally renowned coach, but he’s proving so far to be a pretty decent one! The reason that he’s a pretty decent choice is that he’s doing it in the UK, which already is a massive bonus. 
 

You talk about offering up no facts, but then sight Klopp as a “style” of manager we should go for and then offer no examples? And then class Enzo as up and coming and Corberán as being not very exciting? 

[markko]

Give him a chance. We have moulded a squad that on paper is competitive. We are in the premier League. West Ham have a few more points than us. They got rid of Moyes (someone some of you think will be better) after he won them a European trophy so his brand of football cannot be that great and they  have spent a fortune on players. Established teams have spent far more than we have to add to what they have. I don't know if he will be good enough or not but he is a decent manager and human being. He will be trying to get it right.