Cooper - OUT

[MattFox]

11 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Yeah it’s very bizzare on there but it’s still mixed. 
 

Overall from homes games and being in with a lot of different away groups, work, friends etc I’d say it’s around 50-50 for people actively wanting him gone right now. 

Surprised how against him Facebook is as it’s usually a disabled fest

 

Guess the Forest connections played a part

[whoareyaaa]

37 minutes ago, worth_the_wait said:

I've been impressed with just how many ex top class football players, coaches and managers we have here on this messageboard.

 

People who know so much about the game, and are able to make such confident judgements after just a few games.

 

We are truly blessed!    

It's a football forum on the internet for people to give there opinions, no one is claiming to be an expert.

 

Wild

[worth_the_wait]

1 minute ago, whoareyaaa said:

It's a football forum on the internet for people to give there opinions, no one is claiming to be an expert.

 

Wild

Hmm?       Seems like lots of people are claiming to be exactly that!

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, worth_the_wait said:

Hmm?       Seems like lots of people are claiming to be exactly that!

Why because they have an opinion 

[worth_the_wait]

30 minutes ago, Kinowe Soorie said:

Would you put money on us staying up with Cooper still in charge?

You don’t have to be much of an expert to see that it isn’t great currently. I hope we can improve under Cooper, but not too sure if the players are onboard with his managerial style?

On a serious point ...

 

One of the great things about calling for a manager to be sacked (or not), is that we don't actually have to carry it out, or to be responsible for what happens afterwards.   Some years ago, there was a defining moment that brought it home to me.
 
In the 2012-13 season under Nigel Pearson, we'd started ok but around the middle of the season we had a really good spell, won 5 on the trot and moved into the automatic promotion spots.      But then we had a bad spell and only won 1 of the next 10 league games.   We then went to Barnsley and played one of the worst games I have ever seen.   We were truly appalling, absolutely clueless, players arguing, all wrong body language.   How on earth we only lost 2-0 was a mystery.   One win in 11.  To anyone watching, it was obvious that Pearson had lost the plot, dressing room ... call it what you like.
 
The following day when I'd calmed down, one of my mates asked me "if you were the Chairman, would you sack the manager tomorrow morning?".  I had to think about it for a minute, and try to imagine that I actually had that responsibility.  I said "yes, I think I would.  He's lost the plot".
 
Well ... we pulled ourselves together after that.  Lost only 1 of the next 6 games and scraped into the playoffs.  We didn't go up that season, but won the Championship the next season, The Great Escape the season after, and won Premier League the one after that.

 

Luckily I wasn't the Chairman back in 2013!   And I'm glad of that for pretty obvious reasons.   

 

But the point I'm making is ... sacking a football manager (or not) when things aren't going as well as you'd hoped, is a big responsibility ... that us know-it-all keyboard warriors don't have to be concerned with.   It's easy telling other people what to do, when there are no personal consequences.

[Pliskin]

A player coming out and openly saying “we weren’t up for it” for me just proves there are issues in the dressing room, you don’t come out and say something by like that if there wasn’t….. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

28 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

It's a football forum on the internet for people to give there opinions, no one is claiming to be an expert.

 

Wild

Wild indeed, but I would say we are experts. Chris Sutton, Robbie Savage or any other pundit doesn’t know as much about us as one of us who watches us week in week out and has done for years.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

49 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

A player coming out and openly saying “we weren’t up for it” for me just proves there are issues in the dressing room, you don’t come out and say something by like that if there wasn’t….. 

yea this is absolutely ridiculous. I read about what he said on here, not expecting the quote to be as bad - but it’s worse. You can’t get much more ‘throwing the manager under the bus’ than a comment like that.

 

It’s just so clear that he’s out of his depth and is holding us back. I’m amazed anyone would argue differently.

Edited yesterday at 20:28 by Wasyls Pec Deck

[worth_the_wait]

22 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

A player coming out and openly saying “we weren’t up for it” for me just proves there are issues in the dressing room, you don’t come out and say something by like that if there wasn’t….. 

I know what you're saying, but I don't necessarily agree.

 

"we weren't up for it" is often just footballer's speak for "we were cr*p in the 1st half"

[Pliskin]

1 minute ago, worth_the_wait said:

I know what you're saying, but I don't necessarily agree.

 

"we weren't up for it" is often just footballer's speak for "we were cr*p in the 1st half"

Then he should have said “we weren’t good enough” to say “we weren’t up for it” indicates a complete lack of fight and desire to win the game, which in all honesty was abundantly evident in that first half. 
 

If he doesn’t mean it like that, then don’t phrase it like that, a very poor choice of words, and normally JJ is actually quite eloquent…. He knows what he was saying. 

[worth_the_wait]

9 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Then he should have said “we weren’t good enough” to say “we weren’t up for it” indicates a complete lack of fight and desire to win the game, which in all honesty was abundantly evident in that first half. 
 

If he doesn’t mean it like that, then don’t phrase it like that, a very poor choice of words, and normally JJ is actually quite eloquent…. He knows what he was saying. 

I understand what you're saying.

 

But I just think that footballers know that the comment "we weren't good enough" or "we didn't play well" is so wishy-washy, that they sort of know the follow-up question is "why?".

And they have to come up with something.

 

They can hardly say "their left winger was really good and skinned me" or "we didn't track back and mark properly"  or "we all couldn't pass the ball properly".    So they usually end up going down the "we weren't up for it" or "we started too slowly" route.

 

I get what you're saying.  The way he phrased it looked poor, but I'm not sure he meant it literally.    As I said, I was there, and it didn't look like they were lazily swanning around not bothered.   We were just poor in the 1st half.   (much better in the 2nd, mind)

 

 

[TheStig]

2 hours ago, worth_the_wait said:

Hmm?       Seems like lots of people are claiming to be exactly that!

Just do the maths. Maybe 35 points for survival. After 5 we have 3 points. So 31 to go at which approx 10 are against top 6 where we very rarely get anything. That leaves us 21 matches to get 31-32 points. Or 1.4-1.5 points per match. We have NO time!

Edited yesterday at 21:44 by TheStig

[cropstonfox]

11 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

He will get those games bare minimum. And you're right, if we don't get 2 wins from our next 5 then I can't see how they can persist with him, not without some serious signs of promise.

 

His tenure feels very similar to Shakespeare's in 2017/18 and they acted quickly there, probably the only time they ever have. 

Shakey had credit in the bank as well.

Record wins to start his tenure and part of the champions management team.Nevertheless he still deserves  a fair crack of the whip at least 4 more games.

[urban.spaceman]

 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

23 minutes ago, TheStig said:

Just do the maths. Maybe 35 points for survival. After 5 we have 3 points. So 31 to go at which approx 10 are against top 6 where we very rarely get anything. That leaves us 21 matches to get 31-32 points. Or 1.6 points per match. We have NO time!

I feel a strongly worded letter grounded in maths coming on 

[worth_the_wait]

11 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

I feel a strongly worded letter grounded in maths coming on 

I'll let you do that!

[RowlattsFox]

Need to remember that managers weren't queuing at the door to come in this summer with a potential points deduction hanging over our heads. Cooper was clearly not first choice but at least he wanted it.

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Graham Potter wants the job at Everton when the new owner gives Dyche the goodbye 

[STUHILL]

4 minutes ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

Graham Potter wants the job at Everton when the new owner gives Dyche the goodbye 

We will end up with Moyes, unless he goes somewhere else sooner. 

 

[Claudio Fannieri]

Given the clubs philosophy has been very much focused around the development and promotion of academy players I wonder how the now broken run of games has gone down with the clubs hierarchy, I can’t believe it won’t have gone unnoticed. 
 

In terms of our football identity, the style of play employed,  now the moving away from utilising the clubs own developed players, plus there is clearly some issues with certain established players, I would be shocked if the club is not concerned with how quickly Cooper has started to dismantle what has been a pretty long standing project. 
 

I know many say it’s too early to cut ties but given he is so out of sync with what the club has been looking to do over the past 6-7 years, whilst not really backing up his decisions with results will surely lead to a fairly hasty parting of the ways. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

9 hours ago, MattFox said:

Surprised how against him Facebook is as it’s usually a disabled fest

 

Guess the Forest connections played a part

I don't think there is much of a F*rest bias. 

 

It's just that people can see with their own eyes many of his decisions are unfathomable and there is no distinct style of play with players looking confused 

 

It's got alarm bells ringing of TCR who made similar non sensical decisions but for different reasons to being totally incompetent. 

Edited 17 hours ago by CrazyKopCorner

[Muzzy_no7]

1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Given the clubs philosophy has been very much focused around the development and promotion of academy players I wonder how the now broken run of games has gone down with the clubs hierarchy, I can’t believe it won’t have gone unnoticed. 
 

In terms of our football identity, the style of play employed,  now the moving away from utilising the clubs own developed players, plus there is clearly some issues with certain established players, I would be shocked if the club is not concerned with how quickly Cooper has started to dismantle what has been a pretty long standing project. 
 

I know many say it’s too early to cut ties but given he is so out of sync with what the club has been looking to do over the past 6-7 years, whilst not really backing up his decisions with results will surely lead to a fairly hasty parting of the ways. 

Behave, this clubs board don’t know it’s Arse from its elbow. 
 

No point dragging this on. Why risk not beating Bournemouth and Ipswich? Get it done now.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

8 hours ago, worth_the_wait said:

I'll let you do that!

I sent the board a letter well before they sacked Rodgers, so if it goes on like this much longer I absolutely will

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Given the clubs philosophy has been very much focused around the development and promotion of academy players I wonder how the now broken run of games has gone down with the clubs hierarchy, I can’t believe it won’t have gone unnoticed. 

To be fair it’s only 1 game 

[Sly]

Despite the turgid football, he isn’t going anywhere any time soon (unfortunately)

 

Current sacking odds.

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Sly