King Power

[Daggers]

2 minutes ago, lcfc278 said:

I think you can be pro or anti King Power or even somewhere in the middle but I will never understand actively wanting the club to fail. 

[Chrysalis]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

She’s clever enough to be widely respected across the Premier League at their monthly meetings, do transfer dealings with Chelsea and Manchester United and be taking calls from agents about new managers. 
 

Whelan has minimal input on football side but she’s intelligent. Which makes some of the stuff they’ve pulled on the non playing side probably worse. 
 

My gut is that there is a mighty power struggle throughout the club. 

Which is it? we keep been told she doesnt get involved in football matters.

[Collymore]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

My gut is that there is a mighty power struggle throughout the club. 

Did I not hear that Whelan and Rudders don't see eye to eye. I'm sure someone ITK had posted as such a while a go. 

[The Doctor]

6 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Which is it? we keep been told she doesnt get involved in football matters.

generally she doesn't, unless she needs to step in to fix Rudkins incompetence, is the general word we keep getting.

 

solution there is to sack Rudkin rather than relying on one director to step outside of her remit to fix another's incompetence but heyho

Edited 13 August by The Doctor

[Chrysalis]

Just now, The Doctor said:

generally she doesn't, unless she needs to step in to fix Rudkins incompetence, is the general word we keep getting 

EPL meetings, football matters, taking calls from agents, football matters, dealing with Chelsea and Manchester united football matters.

 

The story I am been told seems to be like what you just said, all the good things she is involved in, but when it doesnt go well she is nothing to do with it.

[Chrysalis]

3 minutes ago, Collymore said:

Did I not hear that Whelan and Rudders don't see eye to eye. I'm sure someone ITK had posted as such a while a go. 

Another thing if true is a black mark against Top, a leader would be sorting that out.

 

For whoever is to blame out of the trio, its clear it isnt working.

[The Doctor]

18 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

EPL meetings, football matters, taking calls from agents, football matters, dealing with Chelsea and Manchester united football matters.

 

The story I am been told seems to be like what you just said, all the good things she is involved in, but when it doesnt go well she is nothing to do with it.

yea, what we keep hearing is her remit isn't football but sometimes she has to get involved to stop things falling apart. pretty huge black mark against the director who's remit is football (a director of football, if you will)

[CosbehFox]

16 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

yea, what we keep hearing is her remit isn't football but sometimes she has to get involved to stop things falling apart. pretty huge black mark against the director who's remit is football (a director of football, if you will)

You said it before me. Alongside that as a better reputation from other clubs. Ie. Not so quiet 😂
 

You have to remember Top doesn’t really have any allegiance to Whelan. She was Vichai’s business appointment and my own personal opinion is that’s one of the reasons we have issues in recent years. There’s a complex Succession type environment around LCFC and King Power 

[5waller5]

3 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

I do sometimes wonder if it's as simple as Whelan/Top simply not knowing how to. 

 

Unless it's a formal process of  HR  recruitment process with the job publicly  advertised as a vacancy, Whelan may not have a scooby how to find a DoF. Wouldn't be surprised. 

 

 

Absolutely. Me too.

 

They do seem to track towards people they know (which could easily support this theory too). Makes me wonder whether NFP or Puel could do a better job at DOF (although I’m not sure either would be interested). 

[ACF]

47 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

Absolutely. Me too.

 

They do seem to track towards people they know (which could easily support this theory too). Makes me wonder whether NFP or Puel could do a better job at DOF (although I’m not sure either would be interested). 

Someone like NFP would be brilliant at resetting a culture, delegating to the experts, getting the right resources in.

 

I’m not sure the *whole* structure is currently broken. I think there’s delusions of grandeur on expectations of how our owners want to play, and clearly a lack of ruthlessness to cut losses, exhibited by the jobs for the boys attitude of Top. Feels like we play safe with contracts and transfers, because no one wants to make a mistake. Can’t win like that.

 

We need someone in that role who has a little more independence and outside knowledge away from the King Power organisation to slot in.

 

Rudkin isn’t going anywhere, but can we just move him to the horse racing operation?

[Silva Fox]

9 minutes ago, ACF said:

 

 

Rudkin isn’t going anywhere, but can we just move him to the horse racing operation?

Preferably mucking out the stables!

Edited 13 August by Silva Fox

[Dan LCFC]

7 hours ago, 5waller5 said:

The big decision Top needs to make is to get rid of Rudkin - the most obvious statement ever written. 
 

Previously though, putting myself into his shoes, the timing for that change has been difficult, and that’s why I’m still on the fence about my feelings towards KP going forward.

 

The perfect time is now approaching though - the day after the transfer window shuts. The DOF’s main duties having been completed in the transfer market and we have a new manager that needs a few months in position.

Top’s attention should be on recruiting the new DOF now…. If he does nothing then I’m off the fence!

This is completely correct but I was here two years ago, Rodgers out, Rudkin out. Rodgers practically sacked himself months, arguably years after he should've gone. Largely because of Rudkin and Top's unwavering faith in him despite the absolutely blatant reality that he needs to go.

 

This is on Top now. This is him. I'm as Rudkin out as anybody but I think a large part of the hate he's started to get in the last year or so is because people just can't bring themself to say it about the one who truly deserves it most.

Edited 13 August by Dan LCFC

[The Doctor]

1 minute ago, Dan LCFC said:

This is completely correct but I was here two years ago, Rodgers out, Rudkin out. Rodgers practically sacked himself months, arguably years after he should've gone. Largely because of Rudkin and Top's unwavering faith in him despite the absolutely blatant reality that he needs to go.

 

This is on Top now. This is him. I'm as Rudkin out as anybody but I think a large part of the hate he's started to get in the last year or so is because people just can't bring themself to say it about the one who truly deserves it most.

100% this. Rudkin should have sacked Rodgers after the 1 point from 8 games run at the start of 22/23, if not before (some of us were warning that summer that we'd go down if he wasn't sacked at the first sign of bad form), that he stayed loyal was an abdication of duty, that he's stayed since and had two more managers call his incompetence in negotiating transfers out is unacceptable and it's a complete dereliction of responsibilities from top, who won't do what's right for the club because it'd mean an awkward conversation with a family friend. 

[Dan LCFC]

15 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

100% this. Rudkin should have sacked Rodgers after the 1 point from 8 games run at the start of 22/23, if not before (some of us were warning that summer that we'd go down if he wasn't sacked at the first sign of bad form), that he stayed loyal was an abdication of duty, that he's stayed since and had two more managers call his incompetence in negotiating transfers out is unacceptable and it's a complete dereliction of responsibilities from top, who won't do what's right for the club because it'd mean an awkward conversation with a family friend. 

It was around that bad run at the start of 2022/23 where my faith in this ownership completely collapsed. Barely believable level of underperformance and we just plodded on. There seems to be this assumption at this club that things just work themselves out. I think we fully bought the rhetoric that we couldn't go down and it would be an unprecedented level of underperformance required. That was correct, but that doesn't just fix itself, you have to take steps yourself.

 

The faith has never come back either. I'm not fooled by promotion last season. It would've been further groundbreaking incompetence to not get promoted last season. Comparable to something like when Newcastle went down.

[The Doctor]

5 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

It was around that bad run at the start of 2022/23 where my faith in this ownership completely collapsed. Barely believable level of underperformance and we just plodded on. There seems to be this assumption at this club that things just work themselves out. I think we fully bought the rhetoric that we couldn't go down and it would be an unprecedented level of underperformance required. That was correct, but that doesn't just fix itself, you have to take steps yourself.

 

The faith has never come back either. I'm not fooled by promotion last season. It would've been further groundbreaking incompetence to not get promoted last season. 

still near enough managed it by spending an entire window trying to sign one CM and then pulling the plug when we had one out injured for months, one recalled and so only three fit CMs at the club in a 4-3-3, one of whom makes Darren Anderton look like the pinnacle of health though...

[Out Foxed]

7 hours ago, Collymore said:

Did I not hear that Whelan and Rudders don't see eye to eye. I'm sure someone ITK had posted as such a while a go. 

probably her husband... he's meant to be a right Kante, like Rudkin

[when_you're_smiling]

Think there’s a very fine line between this reality and an alternate reality where the same topic would have been brought up, but instead because people were angry KP didn’t spend enough money to try and keep up with the European runs.

 

There was always going to be a crash.

The harshness of it could have been avoided by many mistakes people have gone over and over in this and other threads. But even before FFP/PSR etc, with much smaller comparative income, the results of any mistakes are always going to be amplified in comparison to those we were competing against regularly a few years. (Take the Chelsea/Man U owners as an example).

 

I guess while not enamoured with KP at the moment, I’m more just fed up with modern football. There’s not many I think, oh I wish we had their owners. You can point to the likes of Aston Villa and Brighton who it’s good for at the moment, but what happens to them when they have a bad season and miss out on European spots? 

[Clever Fox]

12 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

EPL meetings, football matters, taking calls from agents, football matters, dealing with Chelsea and Manchester united football matters.

 

The story I am been told seems to be like what you just said, all the good things she is involved in, but when it doesnt go well she is nothing to do with it.

She looks after the Clubs finances as well as King Power Finances. She doesn't negotiate Players Contracts, just signs off on them.

She does negotiate the final details of player sales though from what we know. Making sure to properly protect the Clubs interests.

What she doesn't get involved in is player recruitment. Who we target or who we sign. I suspect that Top, Rudkin and Glover.

 

Look at it from another angle. She's the first ever female CEO appointed in 2009.  As CEO she's managed to multiply the value of the Club 10 fold. to 200 million or more.

While overseeing the winning of the League and the Cup in that time,  And returning the KP Stadium to the Ownership of the Club. Just think about those achievements for a minute.

 

How many other small Clubs have managed to achieve that level of success in a 15 year period.

 

I'll say it again, She is not the problem, Anyone who thinks otherwise is ignoring the facts.

[blue army 1988]

Im a bit confused. If Whelan doesn't get involved with football matters then why is she at the football club?

Apart from something like merchandising, I don't really see much for her to do if it doesn't fall under "football matters"

 

Also, rumours again but the person who told me has links to the club, Rudkin wanted Rogers gone along time before he was sacked. It was Whelan who really fought for him to stay in his job and carry on.

[Tommy G]

23 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

I do sometimes wonder if it's as simple as Whelan/Top simply not knowing how to. 

 

Unless it's a formal process of  HR  recruitment process with the job publicly  advertised as a vacancy, Whelan may not have a scooby how to find a DoF. Wouldn't be surprised. 

 

 

It won't be listed on indeed - and SW won't be sifting through CVs, there will be a recruiter out there that specialises in these type of positions, we will just have to select the best fit which is the worrying part

[Babylon]

21 hours ago, The Doctor said:

yea, what we keep hearing is her remit isn't football but sometimes she has to get involved to stop things falling apart. pretty huge black mark against the director who's remit is football (a director of football, if you will)

She's been our representative at all the premier league meetings, etc; how's that not involved in football? She's also a board member and CEO of the club, the simple fact is she has more power than Rudkin and more remit to make quick decisions that don't need running up the chain. 

[Babylon]

9 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

She looks after the Clubs finances as well as King Power Finances. She doesn't negotiate Players Contracts, just signs off on them.

She does negotiate the final details of player sales though from what we know. Making sure to properly protect the Clubs interests.

What she doesn't get involved in is player recruitment. Who we target or who we sign. I suspect that Top, Rudkin and Glover.

 

Look at it from another angle. She's the first ever female CEO appointed in 2009.  As CEO she's managed to multiply the value of the Club 10 fold. to 200 million or more.

While overseeing the winning of the League and the Cup in that time,  And returning the KP Stadium to the Ownership of the Club. Just think about those achievements for a minute.

 

How many other small Clubs have managed to achieve that level of success in a 15 year period.

 

I'll say it again, She is not the problem, Anyone who thinks otherwise is ignoring the facts.

She is PART of the problem, just as Top is PART of the problem and Rudkin is PART of the problem. She's the CEO of the business, she's going to be setting budgets with the board. At some point, they've signed off a massive overspend that has caused all the PSR issues. These things don't creep up on you, they've been well aware of the losses for years and years and done nothing to correct it. 

[The Doctor]

5 minutes ago, Babylon said:

She's been our representative at all the premier league meetings, etc; how's that not involved in football? She's also a board member and CEO of the club, the simple fact is she has more power than Rudkin and more remit to make quick decisions that don't need running up the chain. 

almost like I didn't say she wasn't involved in football, but that her remit isn't supposed to be football, it's the commercial side that's her wheelhouse, but because we don't have a director of football that can be trusted to handle all footballing affairs, she has to step in 

[Tommy G]

1 hour ago, blue army 1988 said:

Im a bit confused. If Whelan doesn't get involved with football matters then why is she at the football club?

Apart from something like merchandising, I don't really see much for her to do if it doesn't fall under "football matters"

 

Also, rumours again but the person who told me has links to the club, Rudkin wanted Rogers gone along time before he was sacked. It was Whelan who really fought for him to stay in his job and carry on.

Not surprised you are confused, people post on here with cold hard facts of what happens in the boardroom when in reality it's just speculation, hearsay, conjecture. Then people carry this information as fact, and that's how rumours start. Here are some facts:

 

Whelan's role will be to provide overall leadership and direction of the club, simple. She is the most senior person aside from the shareholders. Top may or may not have a better ''bond'' with Rudkin but ultimately he is underneath her - in a structure sense not literally.

 

To say she doesn't get involved in football matters is funny, it's like the NEXT CEO saying he doesn't get involved in retail matters. She might not understand the role of an inverted fullback, but it's her role to make sure the right people are in place that do. I think this is where the issue is, she may of even recommended to Top that Rudkin needs to go, Top could of batted this off, then Whelan has a decision - carry on or chuck her notice in. She's 60 I think, I'd stick around for a few more years and pick up a million quid too rather than resign. It's not just Rudkin, the CFO has ****ed up with PSR, but he's legged it to Newcastle. 

 

 

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

almost like I didn't say she wasn't involved in football, but that her remit isn't supposed to be football, it's the commercial side that's her wheelhouse, but because we don't have a director of football that can be trusted to handle all footballing affairs, she has to step in 

Yeah but that's garbage because she's been our rep on the board from day one pre Rudkin. Rudkin isn't even on the board of the club, she is. She signs off all the accounts and has her name on them and will know every detail of what's going on. To suggest she's just commercial and isn't involved is frankly rubbish when she's the CEO. She might not be hiring an firing scouts or down at the training ground talking to managers, but she is involved in football matters. 

 

I'll leave Susan to finish here, but she and they failed. 

 

“The devil is in the detail,” she says. “I have an enormous workload and my management style is to delve into the detail, some may say too much. But I do not feel comfortable unless I know the detail. I like to have total involvement and know everything that is going on.”

 

 

As Chief Executive at Leicester City FC, Whelan is ultimately responsible to the board for every aspect of the day-to-day running of the club, working with a management team of directors that cover all of the key areas from finance and commercial to the football itself.

 

“We work as a team and our aim is for Leicester City to be the best run club in the Premier league,” she says.